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Besides Fukua is not just a palette swap character, she has a completely different play style compared to Fillia's rushdown/ mix ups. Fukua is a zoning/ command grab mix up character.
This. Also, I don't know any other game that has a zoner/grappler hybrid, except for maybe Injustice w/ Solomon Grundy, apparently.At this point I'd say compare Filia and Fukua to say
Iori and EX Iori in KOF 13. Same character with different tools and pros/cons. Its not a bad thing, and this is the only time something like this is happening (unless you count robo-fortune. I don't really do though). Fukua is unique in the way she plays and that's good enough for a lot of people.
Totally
Marvel 3 had Nemesis
Totally
No hole in this argument
There's absolutely no counter argument to this
It's not like there's, say, a shapeshifting nun that takes at least half of her animations from other characters and unused concept animations.
That's just not skullgirls, skullgirls doesn't reuse animations, but fukua just came along and fucked everything up.
That post was tiny why would you snip itThat situation feels different to me because it's a nod to a character's older moveset from older iterations of the game, and you still can't have both characters on your team at the same time.
I think the fact that the game has a small cast and didn't previously have any animation/color swap characters makes this more glaring, not a smaller deal.
Lol what this character is bootyWhen the IGG vote was going on, I was of the opinion that everything was win/win regardless. Even if the characters I didn't like made it in, there were still more characters which is a good thing. Somehow I just don't feel Fukua is the same kind of win-condition.
I guess I just need to see how she's not completely ridiculous/good and actually exploitable. 40 hits of armor on a command throw that converts to a full combo, crazy projectiles, day one 8k+ universal BnBs, etc. are all kind of daunting. I really thought that was the joke more than anything.
I want new characters as much as anyone, but I'm still getting that ST akuma/sagat vibe from her.
Except that 40 hits of armor loses to sweeps and countergrabs. She's not as amazing as people are making her out to be. She's got her charm, and I have no problem playing as her, but she's not ST Akuma tier. Nowhere NEAR it.When the IGG vote was going on, I was of the opinion that everything was win/win regardless. Even if the characters I didn't like made it in, there were still more characters which is a good thing. Somehow I just don't feel Fukua is the same kind of win-condition.
I guess I just need to see how she's not completely ridiculously good and actually exploitable. 40 hits of armor on a command throw that converts to a full combo, crazy projectiles, day one 8k+ universal BnBs, etc. are all kind of daunting. I really thought that was the joke more than anything.
I want new characters as much as anyone, but I'm still getting that ST akuma/sagat vibe from her.
She has an akuma palette. :DDDDDDDDWhen the IGG vote was going on, I was of the opinion that everything was win/win regardless. Even if the characters I didn't like made it in, there were still more characters which is a good thing. Somehow I just don't feel Fukua is the same kind of win-condition.
I guess I just need to see how she's not completely ridiculous/good and actually exploitable. 40 hits of armor on a command throw that converts to a full combo, crazy projectiles, day one 8k+ universal BnBs, etc. are all kind of daunting. I really thought that was the joke more than anything.
I want new characters as much as anyone, but I'm still getting that ST akuma/sagat vibe from her.
That situation feels different to me because it's a nod to a character's older moveset from older iterations of the game, and you still can't have both characters on your team at the same time.
I think the fact that the game has a small cast and didn't previously have any animation/color swap characters makes this more glaring, not a smaller deal.
I mean day 1 and everything but after 1 day of playing the character and reading forums and seeing the tech that people are coming up with, my initial impression is that she sucks. Her mixup game seems weak to me. Her reversals seem very weak which is huge in the current metagame. The 40 armor command grab is like whatever, I don't think that move is even usable. It's going to hit a lot of people right NOW because no one knows what's up yet, but eventually everyone's gonna snap/sweep/grab/whatever it on reaction. It'll probably take a while to get there consider there are STILL people who don't raw tag Daisy Pusher on reaction but once we get there that move is going to have very limited applications. IDK I just haven't seen anything from this character to make me be like "woah they gotta get some nerfs in here ASAP".
Mike Z said zilch to EX characters, so there's no chance of seeing anymore of them.I would just like to interject here for a moment and make a suggestion for a new character.
Republican double. She is a double clone, that plays exactly the same, the only difference, instead of the garbled demonic voice double usually sports, She will have a surly voice. Republican double for 2016!
BB can parry her fireball for days. Bella can deflect hella easy thanks to the startup buff she got. Armor grab can be counter-grabbed and swept. She can't airdash, so she has to focus on punishing mistakes and bad assist calls. On her own, she has her work cut out for her and she's a lot less braindead than Filia. Yeah, she has dirty grab resets right now, considering a few of her normals leave her at +0 on hit, but she just came out. Give her two weeks, and more tech and counter-strategies will be developed.
I would just like to interject here for a moment and make a suggestion for a new character.
Republican double. She is a double clone, that plays exactly the same, the only difference, instead of the garbled demonic voice double usually sports, She will have a surly voice. Republican double for 2016!
I think that was a joke.
The joke is its already real.
Thought we already established, multiple times, that there was to be no joking in this thread. SMH
I mean day 1 and everything but after 1 day of playing the character and reading forums and seeing the tech that people are coming up with, my initial impression is that she sucks. Her mixup game seems weak to me. Her reversals seem very weak which is huge in the current metagame. The 40 armor command grab is like whatever, I don't think that move is even usable. It's going to hit a lot of people right NOW because no one knows what's up yet, but eventually everyone's gonna snap/sweep/grab/whatever it on reaction. It'll probably take a while to get there consider there are STILL people who don't raw tag Daisy Pusher on reaction but once we get there that move is going to have very limited applications. IDK I just haven't seen anything from this character to make me be like "woah they gotta get some nerfs in here ASAP".
I mean day 1 and everything but after 1 day of playing the character and reading forums and seeing the tech that people are coming up with, my initial impression is that she sucks.
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IDK I just haven't seen anything from this character to make me be like "woah they gotta get some nerfs in here ASAP".
Misinformed/ignorant based statements disguised as facts is not the same as harmless opinions. In fact if you actually read a couple lines down you would see I have no issue with people who simply have a different opinion or bring out logical sound arguments.
2. Half the people that they voted "no" who spoke up here did so out of ignorance or made illogical arguments. Although to be fair this was before Mike cleared everything up since all what we had to go on were vague interpretations and biased opinions. I respect those who make sound arguments and/or simply don't like her because of personal opinions as long as they respect the overwhelming majority that do want her in. Just don't try to spread misinformation on why you justified your "no".
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1. I have trouble believing anything Mike Z would State at this point, we all believed we were only getting 5 characters and just because he felt like it we get a new subpar one (again great Aprils fools joke, but not worth staying), how am i certain hes not going to make Sqiffly or any other recycled assets character a thing just for the sake of the "Lulz"? Because he said so?
3. Marie was used for the sake of an example, the point i was making there is that people seem to consider a Fun to play character enough of a reason to include them without considering how it would affect the rest of the games quality of life and reputation.