Character Speculation: Who's gonna make it ? Possible changements?

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  1. Shan

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    So i make this thread partly because i got the idea on browsing /lzg/ (yes i'm sorry) and there is a chart of characters. Who will make it in the final game? Who will end up unplayable?

    First there's this from the Lab Zero website

    "one of the major pre-production tasks was paring down the roster to fit in our schedule, and evaluating it as a whole for gameplay purposes. And because the characters were drawn by differents artists, we also needed to refine the designs and unify their style.

    Before you worry about your favorite character, fear not: Indivisible will still have at least 25 playable Incarnations in the final game, not including guest characters. And we will repurpose any cut characters into NPCs or Inner Realm Incarnations whenever possible."


    So, so far, we've got 13 revealed incarnations (not counting Ajna and her Heruka form that might count as a different character)
    >Zebei, Tungar, Razmi, Dhar, Ginseng & Honey, Qadira, Baozhai, Phoebe, Vasco, Ren, Naga Rider, Yan and Nuna (who was shown on a recent stream and doesn't have her model sheet shown yet)
    I even even made a line-up pic to see all our characters (that i'll probably edit later (open)
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    So we have all those guys confirmed.
    We have Thorani pretty much confirmed too, due to concept-art.
    Plus there will be one (or two?) backer-exclusive incarnation too.
    I'd say Kampan, Lanshi and Sangmu are very safe bets too due to having been pretty popular when they were shown. Kampan's model sheet was also shown during the AX video. I'd like to say she is essentially confirmed.
    A bard was mentionned in one of Peter's interviews so i want to say we might have either Zahra or Tatanka since they fit the description.
    Then I don't really know for the rest, who could end up unplayable?

    According to Ravi, we've got 24 playable Incarnations.
    I'd admit myself than some characters revealed during the campaign were less exciting than others so i'm not too worried about cuts (better this than a bloated roaster full of one-note and useless characters like Chrono Cross or the identical mages in Valkyrie Profile).

    I do wonder however if the trend will go on... Will Kampan get some *farnsworth voice* SCIENCE abilities from Hassan? Will Leilani throw knives? We'll see 'w'
     
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  2. Ninja

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    Nobody better touch Kampan. She's fine just the way she is. >:T
     
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  3. Shan

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    Edited original post to add Naga Rider !
     
  4. Shan

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    Apologizing for the double post but there's also that (very blurry) pic where we can spot the game's Incarnations and possibly at which moment in game they will appear.


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    For example, we can spot Dhar, Razmi and what appears to be Ginseng & Honey at the top left which goes with how it was said Dhar would be your first party member to join.
    However there's also to note they all use the artwork they had during the campaign (ie Vasco is still in his white cowboy getup) so obviously the information here might end outdated and maybe some characters featured here won't be playable after all (but still might appear in story regardless)
    At the bottom we see a bunch of characters who i assume are either optional Incarnations or characters L0 don't know yet where to fit in the main story.

    I did a mockup of what we can see so it's easier to see what's on the pic (forgive my terrible Paint skills.)

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    On a same note we can spot several unrevealed characters so i don't know if they're still up, and who are secret characters or which is the backer Incarnation.
     
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  5. EU03

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    Note that that board is very old and no longer has relevance to our current production. We now use it to cover up the window.
    Feel free to speculate, though!
     
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  6. Ninja

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    aw poo

    ;v;
     
  7. Shan

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    That's what I thought. Thanks for the confirmation though 'w'
    That is one way of covering a window too I guess :^)

    I do wonder what is still topical on it (if there's still something left) and if the unknown characters we can still get a peek of are still around or not.

    So uh, amongst who was not shown yet in the actual game, who do you think is gonna be playable? Who will be not?
     
  8. The Dave

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    We're all ignoring the real question:

    WHAT IS IN THE WINDOW THAT NEEDS TO BE COVERED!? What secrets are they trying to hide? What new developments will come to light? Why are they keeping us in the dark? Lab Zero Illuminati confirmed.
     
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  9. KaboomKid

    KaboomKid Sure would be nice. ...TUNA FISH!

    This topic is a pretty heavy one. We're getting to the point now where every new reveal probably means someone else is kicked off the list, which is rough for any fans of the less popular characters. Obviously we know LabZero is working hard to make as full a roster as possible though, so we'll see what they can pull off.

    For the remaining unrevealed characters, I think we already had confirmations from Mike and Peter that Sangmu and Lanshi were going to be in. The screenshot of that second board Shan posted seemed to suggest that too.

    I'm also pretty sure I saw someone that looked like Kampan on that board, and that's no surprise. Kampan and Phoebe were pretty much the most popular Incarnations from the IGG. I bet Kampan's mech-arm is getting a few tweaks though, or maybe overhauled with different functions depending on the gameplay style they need from her.

    On that note, even though we know the roster is now slightly reduced, I really appreciate how diverse the revealed characters' playstyles have been so far. While some people don't like the aesthetic changes, many of the changes still reflect a strong focus on each characters' unique traits that they bring to the team, and even remove some arguable redundancies in the original lineup. I really can't wait to try them all out.
     
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  10. Shan

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    Here's the pic btw

    According to Ravi we'll get 24 playable characters... We can see 21 on the main part + 3 at the bottom, so i guess that's our backer incarnations right? Plus characters at the right and the very bottom who i assume might be NPC incarnations.
    I also edited the first post of the thread with the info shown at AX.
     
  11. Sister Act

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    Well you brought this up in another thread, but I figured that I'd might as well add it here. But in this article here, Peter mentions a bard character: http://www.hardcoregamer.com/2017/0...-platforming-with-rpgs-in-indivisible/261908/

    Based on the incarnation list we have, that's probably Zahra. But who knows, maybe it's Tatanka with his drum.

    Speaking of which, I do hope that Tatanka makes the cut as a playable incarnation.
     
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  12. Shan

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    I forgot about this, thanks for telling me!

    Tatanka was one of my favorite designs but yeah so far it doesn't look too likely for him... I did like the dynamic he have with his evil spirit too.
     
  13. Ninja

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    yeah i have a feeling Tatanka will be in the game

    don't worry peeps
     
  14. Shan

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    I mean he surely will be.
    But playable? That's the big question, haha.

    tbh i'm really happy because pretty much everyone i loved during the campaign is confirmed. But still i liked some guys like Tatanka and Leilani, hahah :'^)
     
  15. Sister Act

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    Well right now I suppose we can hazard a guess at the ones who are likely to not be playable.

    With the addition of Honey & Ginseng, there are a total of 29 incarnations. In regards to how many will be playable, two numbers have been thrown out from LabZero; the 18th Jan update on the LabZero website states that there will be at least 25 playable incarnations excluding guest characters, and Peter has made a post on this forum stating that there will be 24. So there may be more than 25 if we're being optimistic, , or we can be more pessimistic and say that there will be 24.

    Let's just say there will be 24. So out of the 29 incarnations we know of, 5 might not make it into the playable cast.

    I believe that someone in LabZero has said that if the incarnation was popular, we need not worry about their status. So let's work on the assumption that the converse may be true.

    Based on what I've seen of the fan reaction (which may be inaccurate of course), Antoine was seriously unpopular, George's reception was not very positive, and Kaldi did not get received that well. So from my point of view, these three are the most at risk.
     
  16. Shan

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    I prefer to start with 24 myself since it's the last number given. And I also still don't know if that includes the backer incarnations... I'd like a clarification if that doesn't fall into NDA. Is the 24 characters thing just the core cast or core cast+backer incarnations?

    EDIT : I realize it probably refers to the core cast.

    Yeah from what i remember they didn't left a big impression... People were already thinking Kaldi would be better as a NPC.
    So far, we got all the fan favorites confirmed (and the biggest redesigns according to Peter were shown already) so I guess the worst-("ish"?) is over.
     
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  18. CherriDynamite

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    Ok so the two boys I like are confirmed... Kampan's possibly confirmed...
    //wAITS LOUDLY FOR SANGMU
     
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    I'm going to be sad if Kaldi doesn't make it, he looked cool and I liked his knives.

    Otherwise the only ones left I'm particularly hoping for are Sangmu, Toko, Zahra and Kushi. Mike said during the campaign Sangmu would be playable and that'd he was excited for her so she's probably a lock, Peter mentioned a bard character in an interview recently so Zahra is probably good, Toko as far as I remember was decently liked? And honestly her design is already pretty simple. Which leaves Kushi, who I think was mentioned in gameplay terms at some point during the campaign but I might be misremembering. She was somewhat popular at least if I recall.

    God I can't wait to see Sangmu animated, that stuff is going to be fantastic.
     
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    Same same! That'll be aMAZING
     
  23. KaboomKid

    KaboomKid Sure would be nice. ...TUNA FISH!

    All right, figured I'd jump back on this topic for a bit since we got some downtime.

    I agree with others here that a bunch of male members have probably been on the "cutting block" due to lack of popularity. Most notably I'd assume George, Kaldi, Antoine, and Hassam from what I've seen.

    I'm a big Kaldi fan too, but a while ago I had to admit that, even as a personality, he didn't seem crucial for a combat role (New Vasco honestly put me a bit at ease here since parts of him reminded me a little of Kaldi, like his lanky build and low-key expression). I think Kaldi has a good chance as an NPC either way, but if he doesn't get to fight, then I hope an homage to his style of daggers might show up on one of the other characters somewhere.

    I'm going to go on a limb though, and say that of the less popular group, George is either firmly making it in, or is a high-priority wishlist. The biggest reason I figure, is because he was one of the few proposed Incarnations coming from the Iron Kingdom, which might be an even more important trait now if Vasco is assuming parts of Antoine's role too. George was also one of the only proposed spear users, which is a major point for gameplay, and his cultural inspirations and backstory still left a lot of visual interpretations open for Lab Zero to build around. They could make him younger or older, give him different armor, make him more steampunk-ish, or turn him into more of a frontiersman, and all of those approaches could still fit his intended role perfectly.

    I just think with his combination of unique traits and visual malleability, it's harder to take George off the table than some of the other concepts. In retrospect, I think even Old Vasco seemed more limited by comparison.

    But hey, as always, we'll have to see how things turn out!
     
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  24. The Dave

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    I loved George, but mostly for his backstory. Design wise, IIRC he pretty much just looked like a knight. Seeing him incorporated into Scottish golfer samurai would be fine by me.

    Hm, there's a thought, since it looks like Lab Zero wants to save effort/cut down on characters, perhaps "fusing" Incarnations would be the way to go? IE "Vasco + Antoine = New! Vasco."
     
  25. Shan

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    Myself i'd see Antoine, Kaldi, either Kogi or Tatanka and maybe Kushi or Leilani not making it as a playable character.

    Antoine because of points already said, like Vasco seems to have inherited the fencing-like fighting style he could have got?
    Kaldi because yeah, to me he was probably the most boring character (though i guess plainess can be appealing sometimes, just look at how Adam got popular somehow), i did like his character but yeah, i think he'd be better as a npc... Unless he gets a very flattering redesign or something.

    I'd like Kogi to be playable because i quite liked his character+design... He kinda reminded me of Beowulf somehow... Tatanka kinda fills that big dude role too so... Hmm, unsure if both will make it.

    I love Kushi and Leilani but i kinda feel like Indivisible has quite a bunch of young looking girls as characters (our very Ajna, Ginseng, Nuna, Kampan) so i wouldn't be surprised if one of them ended up being cut.
    I'd prefer if it was Leilani because I love Kushi's design and her duo with Altun. They could have fun interactions with Ginseng and Honey (plus if i remember she was one of Mike and Peter's fave characters right)

    I think George will make it, he is from the North region right, it'd make more variety in the cast, plus i liked his character. I agree his design was a bit on the bland side. I did love the dragon scarf thing though.
    Imagine if he comes back and ends up looking like his namesake from the concept art from Skullgirls though. :o

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    Oh and yeah! Toko, i liked her backstory and design and i'd be pretty happy if she stays in. Always thought she'd have some quickdraw moves like Hibiki in TLB2
     
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    So I spent A LOT of time looking over that chart @Shan posted, and put up some of the characters next to the images to see what lined up, as well as speculate on who made it. Again, we don't know if this has been updated, changed etc. and is just being looked at for the sake of speculation!

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    Write up of the chart:
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    Row one First box (Ajna's home village / village adjacent(?)):
    - Dhar
    - Razmi
    - Ginseng & Honey

    Row one Second box:
    - Zebei
    - Tungar

    Row one Third Box is completely covered. I'm not sure if 1 or 2 incarnations are here, just like any of the ones in the columns below.

    Row two First box (Tai Krung City(?)):
    - Qadira
    - Thorani (Similar hair.)
    - Baozhai

    Row two Second box:
    -Yan

    Row two Third box (Aztec area(?)):
    - Nuna
    - Leilani (The only character I think can fit here is her, or maybe Zahra. The simple silhouette, darker bottom / light top looks similar to her original design. I don't know if I can make out her weapon though (also have no clue why she'd be here if these boxes are different areas))
    - Tenoch (Feathers on head?)

    Row two Fourth box:
    - Vasco (Brim of hat seen / Dark pants / long legs? Hard making this out.)

    Row three First box:
    - Sangmu (It looks like the character has a poofy skirt, but there's an odd line that almost looks like a hat or something on the chart image.)
    - Ren

    Row three Second box:
    - No clue
    - Zahra (This character looks like they're in a light colored dress, which is way off from the original Zahra design. It sort of looks like the character is holding something, which is reminiscent of Zahra's instrument.)

    Row three Third box:
    - Naga Rider

    Row three Fourth box
    :
    - Kampan (It's hard to make out her design teased in the Anime Expo reel, but I think this is her from the small build / mechanical arm maybe being there?)

    Row three Fifth box:
    - Lanshi (Looks like an animal on four legs / is light gray)

    Row four:
    - Heruka Ajna (I'm pretty sure she's getting her own battle function, and the image here shows a character squatting with orbs floating around the top of them, similar to what was shown with Heruka Ajna.
    - No clue
    - No clue

    Farther to the right of these are four (most likely more that are being covered) characters that I also have no idea. Everything below the third row is kind of confusing in terms of why they're there, haha. These might be inner realm incarnations? There's also backer incarnations but not sure where they may be.

    Below that:
    -Hassam (Really similar silhouette, again I'm not sure what these characters down here serve.)
    - No clue (Possibly Antoine or Kaldi?)
    - Toko (Just a shot in the dark, this pictures even bent upwards.)
    - ??? Possibly more


    Okay hopefully I got all the formatting on this alright. I might look back at some of the notes / likes / etc. each of the incarnations got when they were revealed to give a sense of how popular each character was and post it here.
     
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  27. Shan

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    Oooh good work! Really looks like you spend a lot of time on this. Thank you for your hard work 'w'
    I'd say Phoebe is the one between Ren and the one that looks like Zahra, you can see what looks like her bow on the pic plus her hair.
     
  28. KaboomKid

    KaboomKid Sure would be nice. ...TUNA FISH!

    Right, that's definitely Phoebe and Zahra in that box on the chart following Ren. If you look at the first chart Shan posted, you can see that most of the characters' positions are the same, but the artwork was updated. The biggest change was Vasco being swapped out for Antoine, and Nuna and Qadira being moved up from the bottom pile. If Kushi's still in her spot, then the only character in the upper sections that we aren't sure about yet is the character between Nuna and Tenoch.

    I'm going to guess that the Block with Qadira and Baozhai is actually Port Maerifa, and the Block with Naga Rider and Kampan in the third row is Tai Krung City. So the way it's organized, it looks like the Rows are going from South Region, to North Region, to East Region. Very interesting.

    Dealing with gender was probably a tough challenge for them in general. The IGG roster had a pretty intentional split of males and females, but the female characters ended up weighing higher in popularity. I feel like the final roster is probably going to reflect that unless they can go beyond the 24 minimum.
     
  29. Salty Umbrella

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    Thanks for the feedback guys! I definitely see Phoebe now, and it's good to see the first chart still having some validity. (I wonder how Phoebe and Zahra are ending up in the same area lol, pretty interesting) I'll update the chart when I get a chance.

    Including Phoebe and adding Kushi and Altun (if unchanged from first chart) to the chart, we have this?

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    1. Dhar - M
    2. Razmi - F
    3. Ginseng & Honey
    4. Zebei - M
    5. Tungar - M
    6. Kushi - F Altun - M(?)
    7. Qadira - F
    8. Thorani - F
    9. Baozhai - F
    10. Yan - F
    11. Nuna - F
    12. ???
    13. Tenoch - M
    14. Vasco - M
    15. Sangmu - F
    16. Ren - M
    17. Phoebe - F
    18. Zahra - F
    19. Naga Rider - M
    20. Kampan - F
    21. Lanshi - M
    22.
    23.
    24.

    For those people wondering about gender distribution, I included them here too. (Ginseng & Honey have only been referred to as 'They' so I'm leaving them neutral.)

    M = 9
    F = 11



    The characters left from the indiegogo are:

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    Narssus - M
    Kaldi - M
    Toko - F
    George - M
    Antoine - M
    Tatanka - M
    Leilani - F
    Hassam - M
    Kogi - M

    If the four remaining are being picked from this selection (and there aren't any new characters), they'll be from this lineup? I think Leilani will make it since she was super popular during the campaign. In terms of keeping the gender total equal, 3 more guys would theoretically balance it out.
     
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