Filia Burst Baits

Discussion in 'Filia' started by ClarenceMage, Mar 26, 2014.

  1. ClarenceMage

    ClarenceMage git gud

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  2. WarpedEcho

    WarpedEcho Meh

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    they can just hold up out of this, so I wouldn't call it a 50/50
     
  3. drewski

    drewski Well-Known Member

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    I usually just press buttons in the air and try to guess with a backdash when they're going to burst.
     
  4. ClarenceMage

    ClarenceMage git gud

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    It's at the very least nested 50/50s - 50/50 between push button and not push button for burst bait, and then if you're certain they're going to not push button you can do low-high to beat upback/downback respectively.
     
  5. RemiKz

    RemiKz Well-Known Member

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    Filia
    Cerebella
    I'm almost sure I posted this somewhere else but here it is again



    I also do this one fairly often because it lets me actually go through with the reset if they are mashing or not.

     
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  6. Dime

    Dime The power of BEAT EXTEND

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    Good stuff but not a 50/50 this is a 33/33/33 (jump,buttons or block low) that is highly in filias favor since burst hit still leaves the opponent in the corner. Corner is what makes this good (not necessarily better) beyond the average midscreen burst setup.


    A good midscreen burst setup that is a true 50/50 is folks old setup:

    (J.hp causes burst state)

    Cr.mp, j.hp xx airdash back (the burst bait)
    Cr.mp, j.hp xx airdash forward airthrow (airthrow forces buttons via tech or super to get out of) since dash is already used then an assist or airball or gregor is needed to convert.


    @RemiKz posted video is gimmicks/read. Though it could be awesome if he instead did airthrow off of the cr.lk,st.hp otg and mixed up with the bait.

    REALLY awesome.


    -edit

    Also... Filia so stoopid.
     
  7. RemiKz

    RemiKz Well-Known Member

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    Not sure what you mean by gimmick, they are no less gimmicky than the one you mentioned. In the first video, you can totally replace the airdash j.LK that triggers the burst with an air grab instead.

    The second one is really useful because even if they don't burst, you aren't letting up your offense with the typical backdash burst baits. Burst baits are essentially resets, and this leads directly into another one even if the original one wasn't successful. With that being said, you can definitely do other stuff with it. I can go for an air throw instead, I can do a j.LK without an airdash and actually land behind the opponent at the last moment, and a bunch of other crap.
     
  8. winnie

    winnie Bella Ball Champion

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    This is something thats good so here it is. Its also why you should use air dash cancel j.mk after your air hairball not j.mp.
     
  9. ClarenceMage

    ClarenceMage git gud

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    Burst bait/Air throw(also high-low-left-right) that goes into Burst bait/air throw(also high-low-left-right) but not into itself. For best results, use @RemiKz' IAD j.LP burst bait on the second reset point, I just didn't do that here because I'm lazy.

    This doesn't work on Peacock, Bella, or Double and I can't think of any equivalent setup that would. Help pls. Winnie pls. Remikz pls.

    Couple notes, it's a bit pedantic on squiggly, you need to do air throw ASAP on painwheel, and for best result on the second
     
  10. joshb911

    joshb911 Well-Known Member

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    So is this thread still relavent? I have a few baits I can share if it is :)
     
  11. IsaVulpes

    IsaVulpes Just Throw

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    Double
    It will become relevant again as soon as you start sharing stuff
     
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  12. joshb911

    joshb911 Well-Known Member

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    OK word so here are some of the ones I've been working on (no video footage so use your imagination)

    Show Spoiler
    1. works midscreen: any starter, any air chain, cr.lk, s.mk, s.hp, any air chain that ends with H airball, dash forward, s.lk, s.hk, xx, hp updo, xx, gregor (this one is really weird and it's a very hard read but it's god like)
    2. midscreen: any starter, j.hp, ADC, j.lk, j.hk, cr.lk, s.hp, j.lk, back dash (very simple and probably already known)
    3. midscreen: cr.lk, cr.mk, s.hp, j.hk, adc, j.lk, j.mp, j.hk, cr.lk, cr.mp, s.mk, cr.hp, dash forward, cr.lk, s.hk, ringlet psyche (works on any character that can be juggled with cr.mp, s.mk)
     
    Last edited: Jan 26, 2015
  13. Yomabuddy

    Yomabuddy I don't play Big Band just for the assist.

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    blablabla s.HP
    j.HK adc j.LK j.HP j.HK
    OTG s.HP TK H Airball adc s.MK s.HP
    j.MP (4 hits) j.MK (2 hits) adc j.MP

    On the lighter characters and Parasoul (I'm going to update this soonTM with a list of all the characters) all five hits of the second j.MP are fully safe burst baits. On characters like Cerebella, BB, Eliza, Double only the last hit is a burst bait (again, I'll update this soonTM with a full tested list of characters). The j.MP has to be done immediately out of launch to be low enough so that all hits of j.MP is a burst bait on lighter characters.

    Do note that this does fill up undizzy.
     
  14. gllt

    gllt Dedicated

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    For funsies

     
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  15. Pickles

    Pickles VT scene?

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    this is something I've been using for a little while, it's similar to some stuff that people have done but I like this one because you can vary the number of hits easily depending on if you think they're mashing or you actually want to bait a burst

     
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  16. Pickles

    Pickles VT scene?

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    I was gonna post this after combo breaker but I forgot. It's good that I did forget though because now (with hornet bomber) I have a practical way to trigger the burst via IPS when previously I could only do it via undizzy. (Practical in that not only is it a reasonable scenario to run into in a match, but it's not like a combo specifically designed to go for this bait so it's not so obvious that it's coming.) It's nice because it's an anti-mash burst bait that's not obviously anti-mash so people might actually try to burst out of it because they think you made a mistake, and if they don't burst you get oki. The biggest downside is that the only followup I've been able to do starts with j.mp jump-in which scales the combo to hell. (It's probably worth noting that while this of course will only work off an otg s.HP, it'll work off any s.HP otg, e.g. ground chain into j.hp adc j.lk j.hk s.HP will work just as well. Useful for characters where the j.hk adc j.lk j.hp j.hk isn't as reliable)

    (Also for some reason I thought it wasn't universal before, I tested it on everyone and it is universal.)

     
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  17. gllt

    gllt Dedicated

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    thats mcdonalds
     
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  18. Pickles

    Pickles VT scene?

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    is

    is that good
     
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  19. gllt

    gllt Dedicated

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    yeah man

    im lovin it
     
  20. Pickles

    Pickles VT scene?

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    this seems like something that might be known already but I haven't seen any posts about it so here goes

    I did it accidentally last night at Skullbats and figured it was bella specific but nope it works on everyone but big band

    squigly (and I think filia/fukua?) you can't just TK the airball you have to do the jump then instantly airball thing so you're a bit higher off the ground, otherwise the airball will whiff



    as you may have guessed the burst will not whiff if they do not burst on the first hit (to be fair I only tested the burst after multiple hits on a handful of people but I'm gonna be lazy and assume it's first-hit only on everyone)
     
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  21. joshb911

    joshb911 Well-Known Member

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    I have a similar one to that in the corner. It's good cause as long as they burst on either of the first 3 hits it works and it's at full undizzy so it's basically a TOD on 3v3
     

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