Filia Tech Thread: Small/Big Tips & Strategy YOU Notice?

Discussion in 'Filia' started by Nuuance, Sep 5, 2013.

  1. Dime

    Dime The power of BEAT EXTEND

    Painwheel
    Big Band
    Fukua
    Basically, unblockable protection doesn't last very long at all and is only really designed to stop same frame, 1 frame, and 2 frame gap high/low unblockables...
     
    Last edited: Jan 21, 2014
  2. IsaVulpes

    IsaVulpes Just Throw

    Location:
    Trinidad && Tobago
    Ms. Fortune
    Filia
    Double
    Aren't all hits of Squigly c.HP hitting low, so unblockable protection would kick in?
     
  3. DARKNESSxEAGLE

    DARKNESSxEAGLE Master of Disguise

    Location:
    Europe (UK)
    Steam:
    DixiE
    PSN:
    DARKNESSxEAGLE
    Filia
    Cerebella
    Ms. Fortune
    Yeah I'm pretty sure this isn't really anything more than a hard to block mixup. If you slow down the recording you took in your recent post in something (like Movie Maker or whatever) and count the individual frames at an even lower speed and it comes out as 1 or 2 then it might be something like an unblockable, but idk.

    One way to check would be to set a mid-hitting assist to connect an attack just as you hit high (same frame or maybe frame after) and see whether or not the hitbox stays purple, or you could just try getting Mike in here to shed more light on how it works.
     
  4. Tomo009

    Tomo009 Well-Known Member

    Eliza
    Robo Fortune
    Beowulf
    It isn't unblockable, but it's a difficult to block-able. Eddie in GGAC+ had a hard to blockable, where the low or high would hit first then the other 1-3 frames after. It was not unblockable in AC+, but it still basically worked every single time.

    The thing here, is pushblock. Problem being, your pushblock has to be done with like, 2 frame timing, which your OPPONENT decides, not you. So this is still a hard to blockable, much harder than Prasoul 6LP 2MK I would think, but other characters could obviously pull off this same thing.

    So it' a mixup into hard to block situation, it isn't unblockable but it is a very good setup still, it is not a gimmick as far as I can see.
     
  5. Age

    Age Well-Known Member

    Double checked, yes you can go high-low-high even with squigly assist.
     
  6. winnie

    winnie Bella Ball Champion

    Location:
    VA
    PSN:
    SG_winnie
    Filia
    Double
    The real mix up is making the Squigly Assist hit first so they have to block low-high.
     
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  7. Tomo009

    Tomo009 Well-Known Member

    Eliza
    Robo Fortune
    Beowulf
    This is what I tried to allude to haha. Either way you have to change your block direction super quick.... then Fillia gets ANOTHER mixup right then.
     
  8. Age

    Age Well-Known Member

    basically you get instant overhead (let's pretend that's 50/50) then however many frames later you get assist low or j.mp hitting first (another 50/50 with 3? frame block timing) then you can cancel to j.hk or let the low assist continue (another 50/50 3? frames later) land +on block and ready for more mixups.
     
  9. winnie

    winnie Bella Ball Champion

    Location:
    VA
    PSN:
    SG_winnie
    Filia
    Double
    ^^^
    The reason why I mash Updo and pbgc as much as possible. :P
     
  10. Dime

    Dime The power of BEAT EXTEND

    Painwheel
    Big Band
    Fukua
    We all do...



    WE ALL DO :(
     
  11. ThatOneOtherDude

    ThatOneOtherDude Officially not washed up

    PSN:
    ThatOneOtherDude
    Valentine
    Filia
    Cerebella
  12. Age

    Age Well-Known Member

    Is there a trick to getting the assist to be the one hit by savage bypass? I was trying this out with bella's snap but couldn't get anything reliable.
     
  13. ThatOneOtherDude

    ThatOneOtherDude Officially not washed up

    PSN:
    ThatOneOtherDude
    Valentine
    Filia
    Cerebella
    @Age I've only been able to do it with filia. Bella's snap is too vertical.
    That said, I haven't explored the possibilities with other characters.
     
    Last edited: Feb 6, 2014
  14. RemiKz

    RemiKz Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Norcal
    Steam:
    remikz_
    PSN:
    RemiKz_
    Peacock
    Filia
    Cerebella
    So while I was toying around with figuring what combo I should do for a counterhit, I came across this burst bait


    It's different than the typical backdash one everyone does, so I'm sure some people will be caught offguard by it. The nice part is if they know about it, you can do airdash airthrow instead of airdash j.LK.

    I wanted to take it a little further and apply this to it


    Since I already used my airdash to throw as a reset to the combo in the first video, I wouldn't be able to dash cancel the hairball, but this would let me without that being a problem.

    ...unfortunate it doesn't seem to work. If I do an airdash throw, it seems to lock me out of my assist until I land. Something similar happens if I just do a s.HP > airthrow without an airdash or anything, although it doesn't seem to be a problem if I dash then jump to do it like how I showed in the video above.
     
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  15. ThatOneOtherDude

    ThatOneOtherDude Officially not washed up

    PSN:
    ThatOneOtherDude
    Valentine
    Filia
    Cerebella
    You can't call assists during a super jump, and after a launch you super jump
     
  16. Hilary

    Hilary Well-Known Member

    Dunno if anyone's come across this yet, but if you throw Big Band (either direction), you can immediately L-Updo and hit him with it before cancelling into Gregor.

    It's a bit more damage than Ringlet, gets you a higher Gregor wall splat, and it preserves the OTG.
     
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  17. Funkermonster

    Funkermonster Member

    Steam:
    Funkermonster
    XBL:
    charlieokonkwo6
    Filia
    Big Band
    I'm not a great Filia player by any means (quite far from one, in fact): but I've doing these sometimes in battle:

    • Hit opponent with Ringlet Spear and Then Gregor at full screen. Kinda hard to do if the opponent blocks it and I'm prone to using Gregor by accident if they do block it. In Training Mode, I set Dummy Block to Random to try and work on avoiding this. After Gregor wall bounces the opponent, I usually hit em with another Ringlet or Updo
    • When stuck in an air combo, I mash :QCB::KK: like crazy so I'll either get a Gregor or Infinity Break whenever my opponent f*cks up a part of their combo and escape from hell, whichever comes first.
    • Sometimes, I wanna IAD with :LP: instead of :HP:, especially on taller chars like Painwheel or Big Band. The hitbox is above Filia during HP and her legs stick out quite a bit to extend the hurtbox. I like how LP has a disjointed hitbox and its range is almost as good as HP's, without extending my hurtbox like it does. The only reason I don't think its better than HP is because of the tiny hitstun so I always chain into j.HK after the LP.
    • Should I accidentally whiff an Updo or it gets blocked, I could sacrifice meter and use Gregor to fly over the opponent and avoid punishment.
    • Normal Throw, Ringlet, and then Gregor; usually if they are in the corner. Learned this from another Filia player who kicked my ass.
    • Soon as I kill someone in a team, I sometimes give the next charecter a cold welcome with an Updo as they come in.
     
  18. Cadenza

    Cadenza Documentation Expert

    Steam:
    http://steamcommunity.com/id/moon_cadenza
    Parasoul
    Filia
    Double
    hm most filia's do the things mentioned. problem?
    mashing gregor gets baited nowadays

    iad j lp is a very good but it depends on what you're going for. if the person is a bit above when they jump then iad j lk otherwise you whiff on painwheel and then get rekt by pain train.

    as for killing someone and then doing updo as you attack for them coming in. It works for a while then people figure out the magical power of blocking and then you can get rekt. if its midscreen i suggest doing jmp(if blocked or hit) >adc > j mp(if it hits or blocked) all the hits > j hk. if they block it you can go for a mix up of throw, low again or overhead.

    if its in corner just run to the corner as they come in and then do j hp. is there a follow up? i'm not sure i would have to further test it.
     
  19. Cadenza

    Cadenza Documentation Expert

    Steam:
    http://steamcommunity.com/id/moon_cadenza
    Parasoul
    Filia
    Double
    here's a burst bait.


    s hp > j hp > jlk > j hk > c lk > s hp > j mp> hairball H > j hp.
     
  20. evilben

    evilben Patron Saint #1

    Filia
    Cerebella
    you can do a much better followup after gregor, just wait for the wall bounce then take a few steps forward into j.mk s.hp > combo
    as said above, youll get baited. dont always do this... a good player should never accidentally give you a burst opportunity anyway
    not a bad idea, just know its not actually safe. if you do the M or H version of updo any opponent should be able to easily punish even with the gregor, the l updo is a maybe
    this works anywhere, you dont need to be close to the corner at all. just make sure the ringlet comes out before you cancel into gregor. you can also wiff a l.updo into gregor to get a better wallbounce.
    if you are in the corner you can also do an ambiguous s.hp as they come in. just get real close to the corner and smash that button. who knows which side its going to hit on? i certainly dont so how can they?
     
  21. Cadenza

    Cadenza Documentation Expert

    Steam:
    http://steamcommunity.com/id/moon_cadenza
    Parasoul
    Filia
    Double
    a cross under that works on most characters except fatasses like big bad and double.

    s hp> j lk > adc > j lp j lk> land > dash under.
     
  22. Funkermonster

    Funkermonster Member

    Steam:
    Funkermonster
    XBL:
    charlieokonkwo6
    Filia
    Big Band
    Use mk and then hp > combo after landing Gregor.... and then the Infinity Breaker comes to destroy my combo. Do you mean a Fenrir after the launcher or something else? I tried that and the IB ruined it.
     
  23. Cadenza

    Cadenza Documentation Expert

    Steam:
    http://steamcommunity.com/id/moon_cadenza
    Parasoul
    Filia
    Double
    Excuse me? i'm a bit confused.
     
  24. Funkermonster

    Funkermonster Member

    Steam:
    Funkermonster
    XBL:
    charlieokonkwo6
    Filia
    Big Band
    When I try to make a combo from st.mk and then st.hp after Gregor Samson's wall bounce, the opponent is already able to use an Infinity Breaker as soon as I do it and my combo is over, and it doesn't go down the way I wanted to either. Do you understand now?
     
  25. Cadenza

    Cadenza Documentation Expert

    Steam:
    http://steamcommunity.com/id/moon_cadenza
    Parasoul
    Filia
    Double
    i understand however what is your combo? and furthermore s mk is all you need for a "set-up" i added you on steam i think
     
  26. Tomo009

    Tomo009 Well-Known Member

    Eliza
    Robo Fortune
    Beowulf
    You need to explain exactly what you are doing because there is nothing from what you have posted that would trigger IPS
     
  27. evilben

    evilben Patron Saint #1

    Filia
    Cerebella
    what move is activating IPS? my comment was off of a throw > drill > gregor. there shouldnt be anything there that would activate it. if you do a combo into gregor of course you need to be cognizant of where you are in IPS and drama.
     
  28. Cadenza

    Cadenza Documentation Expert

    Steam:
    http://steamcommunity.com/id/moon_cadenza
    Parasoul
    Filia
    Double
    WHICH i would like to add on to Evilben's post. is that if you do try to do s mk after your 'combo' what you could do is this.

    s mk > s hk > ringlet psyche (236K) and it would essentially be your burst bait.
     
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  29. Funkermonster

    Funkermonster Member

    Steam:
    Funkermonster
    XBL:
    charlieokonkwo6
    Filia
    Big Band
    j.mp, j.mk > adc > j.mp again, j.hk

    Somewhere between that comes the IPS thing? Am I not supposed to do an air chain after the mk, hp launcher, or did I press the wrong button?
     
  30. drewski

    drewski Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Delaware
    Steam:
    drewski
    Big Band
    Cerebella
    To put it simply, picking up the combo after throw > super puts you in a further IPS stage than off of a regular launch. Because of this, your combo that usually works instead activates IPS on the second j.mp after your airdash because it's considered a new chain. IPS can't trigger at all during your first air combo after a launch (which is why the combo works normally) but it can if you do an air combo after a super.

    I probably got something wrong here but that's the gist
     
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  31. Funkermonster

    Funkermonster Member

    Steam:
    Funkermonster
    XBL:
    charlieokonkwo6
    Filia
    Big Band
    I didn't use a throw though. all I did was Wallbounce with Gregor, s.mk, launcher, and then the j.mp.
     
  32. evilben

    evilben Patron Saint #1

    Filia
    Cerebella
    if you didnt throw before the gregor i have no clue how you got an ips burst in there. i just did gregot >s.mk s.hp > j.mp j.mk > adc > j.mp and it worked fine for me...
    if you did throw first that would get you to a point where the 2nd j.mp would activate ips like drewski said, though.
     
  33. Cadenza

    Cadenza Documentation Expert

    Steam:
    http://steamcommunity.com/id/moon_cadenza
    Parasoul
    Filia
    Double
    whut?....wait

    Evilben i know what he's saying now. Lemme explain.

    So what funker is saying is that he used gregor right? so when he used gregor it automatically up'd the ips stage so when he goes for the usual j mp > j mk > adc > jmp. it will burst.

    to remedy that funker i recommend this after gregor

    s mk > s hp > j lp > j mp > j mk > airball H > s lp > s mp > s mk > c hp > hairball H

    not only will you be able to do the combo but you can reset at a point.

    the damage is 5922 if you do what i suggested which is pretty healthy for a gregor confirm.

    edit: please note if you're fighting a filia it can get weird with that combo but it works.
    another combo to make sure you're spot is to replace j lp with j lk as it does the same damage but it positions you better.
     
  34. Funkermonster

    Funkermonster Member

    Steam:
    Funkermonster
    XBL:
    charlieokonkwo6
    Filia
    Big Band
    Thank you for understanding my point and for that replacement combo. I'm not very good at doing it right now, but I'll work on it til' I get it right. I'll try the combo itself first then add Gregor to the mix.

    Every bit of advice helps, even if I can't make it work myself :PUN:
     
  35. Cadenza

    Cadenza Documentation Expert

    Steam:
    http://steamcommunity.com/id/moon_cadenza
    Parasoul
    Filia
    Double
    no problem. any time.
     
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  36. Funkermonster

    Funkermonster Member

    Steam:
    Funkermonster
    XBL:
    charlieokonkwo6
    Filia
    Big Band
    Pretty obvious one and I'm sure other people do it, but whenever I do a blockedo cr.mk I like to hit-confirm into Big Band's Giant Step assist during the mk's multi hits and create an unblockable since its an overhead and you can't block both high and low at the same time. Soon as they land on the ground, I just like to Launch em and create a short air chain. I personally prefer Beat Extend, but this is one my favorite assists for :FIL: at the moment.

    I find it safer and easier to do than with low-hitting assists like Squigly's cr.hp since I can just use my own attacks before I call in an assist. It seems also seems to turn cr.mk, an unsafe move, a little more safe.

    Can this be stopped by a PBGC? I dunno how to PBGC myself very well so I dunno if it works.
     
  37. Cadenza

    Cadenza Documentation Expert

    Steam:
    http://steamcommunity.com/id/moon_cadenza
    Parasoul
    Filia
    Double
    Doesn't work. if people learned to Pushblock they can block both due to ABSOLUTE GUARD

    which stops this completely.....oh well i'll see what i can find with filia. though most things have been found.
     
  38. IsaVulpes

    IsaVulpes Just Throw

    Location:
    Trinidad && Tobago
    Ms. Fortune
    Filia
    Double
    Actually you not only can, but are "forced to". If a high and a low connect on the same frame, they become a mid hit and can be blocked both high and low. Mike put unblockable protection into this game.
     
  39. Funkermonster

    Funkermonster Member

    Steam:
    Funkermonster
    XBL:
    charlieokonkwo6
    Filia
    Big Band
  40. Broken Loose

    Broken Loose Costumed Adventurer

    Location:
    Orlando, FL, USA
    Steam:
    brokenloose
    PSN:
    Broken_Loose
    XBL:
    Broken Loose
    Double
    Beowulf
    Big Band

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