Indivisible Gameplay Discussion

Discussion in 'Indivisible' started by Aden, Oct 5, 2015.

  1. KaboomKid

    KaboomKid Sure would be nice. ...TUNA FISH!

    I think I've watched one of the speedrunners pull this off too, although this might be a potentially big time save over @havick9 's WR if you could get the rest of the run down.
     
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  2. havick9

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  3. Zenjitzu

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    Hey guys, I was stranded on an island for a while, could someone tell me if there's been any major updates to the prototype in the last three months or so?
     
  4. Kawalorn

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    No, nothing changed in prototype as of yet.

    New backer exclusive beta should be coming withing a month or 2 or 3 (purely mine estimate, no hard data to back it up).
     
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  5. Shan

    Shan Karate bugmen enthusiast

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    Yeah, we're getting the backer preview soon.
    Here's what it looks like !

     
  6. Aden

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    Since making it run on everything else was cited as a, if not the, major reason for holding it back from release I wonder if adding a Swtich version just pushed it further back.
     
  7. Kawalorn

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    http://www.indivisiblegame.com/2017/06/01/indivisible-coming-nintendo-switch/

     
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  8. KaboomKid

    KaboomKid Sure would be nice. ...TUNA FISH!

    So speaking of gameplay, something I loved in the trailer was finally getting a tease at those new monsters. We haven't seen too many of their attacks yet, but based on the concepts, I'm personally glad to see Kabandha is in the line-up. I can't wait to see how their new tactics might change up the flow of battle.

    Throughout all of this new footage though, one thing that's been sticking out is how many locations we've been seeing the Manote Thiha. At first I figured those big guys were just being inserted in random places for the fun of it, but now I'm starting to wonder if it could actually mean we'll be running into a lot more of them. Manote will be getting new attacks too, so it could be bringing a shorter, but more varied battle than before. Could they become the Abobos of Indivisible?
     
  9. Shan

    Shan Karate bugmen enthusiast

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    The Manote def became a mascot of sorts, glad to see it back myself! And yeah, it (they? It's some sort of symbiote-like thing corrupting it right) has some new moves so that will spice up things. Especially for people who grew used to the prototype :p

    And yeah all those new monsters look super neat too! Particulary loving the golem with its face appearing on its fist when it attacks.
    I wonder if the Kabandha will have its attack when it tries to grab a party member and vore them
    Could make for a fun situation.

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  10. KaboomKid

    KaboomKid Sure would be nice. ...TUNA FISH!

    I'm most interested to see how Kabandha's eyeball toss works, or really any of the projectiles, including Belu's new dagger toss. I wonder if they might be trickier to block than normal attacks somehow, or if some projectiles might hover over the target and delay their impact.

    Basically, I'm excited for the stuff that the Prototype didn't prepare us for. Looking forward to getting my butt kicked again!
     
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  11. Kit Ballard

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    like enemies blocking XD
     
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  12. Shan

    Shan Karate bugmen enthusiast

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    I wonder if we will also have the position bonuses Mike talked about once (I think?) like characters at the back are less likely to be targetted and such? I didn't imagine this right.

    Though i don't remember if this was mentionned in the backer update so I'm not really expecting it.
     
  13. KaboomKid

    KaboomKid Sure would be nice. ...TUNA FISH!

    Yeah, I'm trying not to expect too much, but I hope they try to show off at least a few of these things. I'd love to see the adjustments made to meter/damage for juggle combos too, even if the values still need to be tweaked.

    Overall, I think in order for the Backer Preview to leave a strong impression, it definitely needs to be obvious to people that they aren't just playing the Prototype with a new coat of paint. Once they see enemies blocking those old mashy combos for the first time, that should be a big wake up call.
     
  14. Shan

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    A little bit of new gameplay in this vid.
    Mainly what i can see : there's now a little ?! sign when one of your characters is gonna be attacked, sometimes the camera gives you an overview of where to go and stops following Ajna (kind of like in some Mario games)

    And looks like the Kabandha has the attack where it just eats one of your party members, gross!
     
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  15. KaboomKid

    KaboomKid Sure would be nice. ...TUNA FISH!

    Wow, there's definitely some interesting things in that video. I like the exploration clips because most of them suggested at least a couple of branching routes Ajna could go on while she was running around. This map definitely looks a bit more open, and that'll be fun to check out. The Backgrounds look really good too.

    In the battle footage, something big it showed was that the meter gain on single hits looked very low now. Qadira's and G&H's attacks built almost nothing, and the most was built when Ajna and Dhar attacked together. Looks like that might put a lot more emphasis on meter building combos.

    It also looked like the Kabandha could attack immediately after it was getting combo'd, which is kinda scary. So apparently some enemies won't give you the same amount of wait time after your attack is over.

    I noticed input driven movestrings had different properties too. Dhar's triple slash required all three actions, while Qadira's slide launcher combo only seemed to need one. Dhar's slashes also didn't do that much damage, but recovered fast, so that might make him more of a meter builder, like Zebei, rather than a heavy hitter.

    It'll be interesting to see how much of this holds up in the version we get to play. It can't be long now!
     
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  16. Aden

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    I don't know if I missed this before or if it's part of the recent edit in http://www.indivisiblegame.com/2017/04/24/indivisible-4-21-2017-update-backer-preview/ but I found it to be an interesting statement.
    I just remember when @Mike_Z was doing campaign streams he was saying the way weapon switch worked was specifically so you could switch weapons mid-platforming and therefore the game could require you to. Guess that didn't work out in office testing?

    Maybe the simplified control scheme incorporates multiple weapons during the platforming so that way you don't have to actively switch them during the actual platforming? That seems difficult to implement though given all the movement options weapons supposedly have (Spear has at least pole vault, throw, upward thrust for gripping ceilings) on top of a regular attack. I don't know.
     
  17. Shan

    Shan Karate bugmen enthusiast

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    Some gameplay from the AX panel compiled in a single video! (i do think it doesn't have the Heruka stuff yet though.)

     
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  18. ArgonBern

    ArgonBern Dhar is love, Dhar is life.

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    Holy crap everything looks great so far.
    Can't wait for the backer build.
     
  19. Ninja

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    2 weeks...

    well, more like 3 weeks but still. SOON
     
  20. KaboomKid

    KaboomKid Sure would be nice. ...TUNA FISH!

    From the panel, it sounds like we'll be getting a better look at the game's mechanics in the Backer Preview than what was finished in time for the E3 & AX builds, so that's good.

    Too bad we weren't able to see Nuna's traps or Phoebe's backbreaker combos in action yet though. Hopefully some of them along with Baozhai can make it into another one of the Preview builds down the line.
     
  21. Shan

    Shan Karate bugmen enthusiast

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    The backer beta will get updated in time right? I'm sure Nuna and Phoebe will be added later down the line

    Aaaah i can't wait it looks so promising... Indivisible really sounds like the kind of game i've been waiting for a while and sometimes i'm still "shit this game is real right i'm not imagining it :p?"
     
  22. tristePinguino

    tristePinguino I drop combos like they're hot!

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    So the super a character performs is strictly determined by how much meter you have at that time?
     
  23. KaboomKid

    KaboomKid Sure would be nice. ...TUNA FISH!

    In the Prototype, once you gain a certain level of Meter, your character is forced to burn the strongest Super available, or one level lower in certain situations.

    However, since then, they've implemented the controls that allow you to decide what level of Super you want the character to perform. So now you can gain 3-Meters and only burn your Level 1 Super if you want to.
     
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  24. Ninja

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    and different lvl supers do different things now too
     
  25. Shan

    Shan Karate bugmen enthusiast

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    Quoted this from @Aden from the general topic because i thought it was interesting to have this info here:

     
  26. ArgonBern

    ArgonBern Dhar is love, Dhar is life.

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    oh okay that doesn't spell anything bad at all in terms of originality. nope.
     
  27. Shan

    Shan Karate bugmen enthusiast

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    Weren't you one of the people complaining that there wasn't enough references to other fighting games in the sprites animations?
     
  28. @J-Boogie

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    The actual quote from the video was from before showing off Phoebe and Mike said "If you recognize fighting game references in these most of them are not accidental?" So I don't know why Aden would state it that way.

    Also are you really going to start tut tutting about originality?
     
  29. HiroProtagonest

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    ...Dude.

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    That's not even the half of it.
     
  30. Sister Act

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    And most of the time, people don't even notice they're references anyway. Unless they knew about the source material to begin with. And even then, the reaction is mostly "Hey that's kinda cool".

    I understand wanting original material, but there is seriously nothing wrong with having a few references here and there. Where do people think art comes from anyway? Out of nowhere? People look at some pre-existing thing and then they put their own spin on it, that's where the originality comes from.

    Honestly, just by LITERALLY LOOKING at the work they've done so far we can see that this is not a problem at all. I don't get why this is suddenly something to worry about.
     
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  31. Aden

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    I'm sorry, have you seen Skullgirls?

    That's closer to a single digit percentile than half, yeah.
     
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  32. Shorydouken

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    did u guis no this game has jojo refrinces?
     
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  33. Shan

    Shan Karate bugmen enthusiast

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    I really feel like you're complaining for the sake of complaining @ArgonBern .
    So far to me, Indivisible is shaping to be one of the most unique looking games i've seen in a while so complaining about "references" is a bit rich.
     
  34. Ninja

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    shhh shhhh shhhhhh...

    we just need to chill. let's just like the game cause it looks cool.

    yeah some of the characters have like a fighting game move. if you feel like that ruins the game for you that's cool, but on that hand try not to poop on everyone else's party.

    i find Phoebe doing a Hugo BackBreaker, cool. and if i didn't know about SF at all, i would have still found the move cool, cause it's really freaking cool.
     
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  35. ArgonBern

    ArgonBern Dhar is love, Dhar is life.

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    Lol no. You must be thinking of someone else.

    In response to everyone so far: yes I know SG has a lot of fighting game references gee wiz never played that game at all and not the reason why I'm here tyvm.

    I don't have ANY PROBLEM with a few references here and there, but the phrase "references abound in attack anymations" makes it look like almost all attacks will be references, and if almost all of them are references then a player with a decent IQ who understands those references will either think:

    "Wow this studio really likes fighting games", which is an okay statement,
    OR
    "Wow is there any original move in this game?"

    You're talking like L0 is the only developer that makes references. We live in the internet age of le dank jojoandwhatnot refrinces goddamnit. Indie developers who don't have any skill in making a game that isn't a mediocre 8-bit/flash platformer with a playtime of 20 minutes overload their games with le funny referencements, and look at the buttload of indie mediocre 8-bit/flash platformers with a playtime of 20 minutes are on steam and the ps store (less there though).

    We know that Lab Zero is NOT one of those developers, they showed us. Indiv looks great so far and Skullgirls is a nice game and their first one so I don't mind the references there. But the phrase:
    means that there's going to be a shitton of references in there, then how will Indivisible stand out from said buttload of indie flash reference games?

    And probably someone is going to tell me that since the game is a metroidvania mixed with VP I shouldn't complain because it's gonna have metroid references such as colored doors that only open when you get a key. Such referengerators.

    Of course, if that "references abound" thing means only a few move references OR a lot of insignificant nods that only a handful of players will notice (similar to SG) OR Mike was making a joke when he talked about people noticing stuff, then my argument doesn't stand and I'm going to buttfuck myself.

    And yeah, it could also be a miswording by Aden like J-Boogie said.
     
  36. Sister Act

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    Again, you are just being worried over nothing and complaining for the sake of complaining.

    As I've said, use your eyes to see what has been presented so far and you will see that this particular concern is not an issue. What references are obvious? So far it only looks like Phoebe with her backbreaker, and even then it has its own flavour to it.
     
  37. ArgonBern

    ArgonBern Dhar is love, Dhar is life.

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    I'm complaining over something that has been SAID. I could use my eyes all you want and not see anything yet presented, because of a statemen about the future.

    Gotta love the saying "complaining for the sake of complaining". Such a good counter-argument.
     
  38. Sister Act

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    I suppose it's better to be paranoid and negative all the time, basing your feelings on things that are clearly not there.

    The current facts are out of the entire cast of playable characters, we have seen glimpses into 13 of them - 14 if you include Ajna. Characters have mostly been original, and if there are any references none of them are overt and obvious.

    So unless EVERY single thing left ends up straight-up copying fighting game moves of some sort, can you really claim that people will think "Wow is there any original move in this game?"?

    With that said, I'd suggest you take a step back and moderate your feelings before wildly going off rails and making a mountain out of a molehill.
     
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  39. HiroProtagonest

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    I mean, I'm narrowing it down here. This is not counting all the palettes, non-fighter references in moves, or quotes.

    Actually I should probably count all pop-culture references in moves and quotes. In which case it's a drop in the bucket, yeah. But then, that depends on if all of Beowulf's wrestling is considered "reference" or "research."
    So... wait. After digging around in the Indivisible main thread to check Shan's memory, I found a post of yours saying you're holding them to such high standards because of Skullgirls.

    But Skullgirls also isn't as good as you think this should be? So you're holding them to dream standards?
     
  40. ArgonBern

    ArgonBern Dhar is love, Dhar is life.

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    Excuse but what the fuck are you on about? What makes you think that my post in this thread states I don't like SG that much? And since you've been digging in the main thread, care to share that post of mine with us?
     

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