Make your character broken with the least significant change(s) possible.

Discussion in 'Gameplay General' started by Midiman, Dec 3, 2013.

  1. Midiman

    Midiman Person, SG Player, Guy who likes cats Gameplay Mod

    Cerebella
    Eliza
    The inverse of "Make your character stupid because you have no idea how the game works" thread(s). Because we seriously have enough of those.


    Squigly:
    • st.f+HP now has 15f startup, 6f active, 5f recovery
    • cr.LP now has 5f hitstop per hit
    Big Band:
    • j.HK now causes stagger vs grounded opponents.
    I'm sure these are some weak examples but the point is to find something key and make it gross.

    Have at it.

    Edit: Generally, you win more brownie points if you have less items you have to change. Challenge yaself.
     
    Last edited: Dec 4, 2013
  2. Nap1400

    Nap1400 must get good

    Peacock
    Squigly
    Big Band
    Squigly's Daisy Pusher has 0f startup after the flash.

    You're welcome.
     
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  3. IsaVulpes

    IsaVulpes Just Throw

    Location:
    Trinidad && Tobago
    Ms. Fortune
    Filia
    Double
    Parasoul c.MK slides her forward and breaks armor
     
  4. Chrono_Tata

    Chrono_Tata Plug Lyfe

    Location:
    Where the sky's been tainted red
    Steam:
    Chrono_Tata
    PSN:
    Chrono_Tata
    Painwheel
    Cerebella
    Painwheel's j.HP has 2 hits of armour.
     
  5. Dime

    Dime The power of BEAT EXTEND

    Painwheel
    Big Band
    Fukua
    Painwheel fully charged hp stinger comes out in 15 frames (lol)
    Painwheel fully charged hp and mp stinger useable as assists.
    Painwheel flight reduced to 10 frames grounded 5 frames air
    All stingers to have 15 frames less startup
    Gets back her lvl 1pinion dash on point
    J.mp sped up by 7 frames
    J.hk doesn't lose momentum when jumping or flying forward
    Flight no longer has height restrictions
    Armor startup minus 15 frames on heavy, 10 frames on mediums, 5 frames on weaks.
    Air lk buer doesn't throw opponent fullscreen.
    Tagin no longer techable.
    Ground hk buer air unblockable.




    Choose 1.
     
    Last edited: Dec 4, 2013
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  6. Swiftfox-Dash

    Swiftfox-Dash The one... the only

    Location:
    Texas
    PSN:
    TJgamer22
    Peacock
    Cerebella
    Peacock can triple bomb cancel =p

    But in all seriousness I like the idea of her c.mk having 10 frame startup instead of 16
     
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  7. RemiKz

    RemiKz Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Norcal
    Steam:
    remikz_
    PSN:
    RemiKz_
    Peacock
    Filia
    Cerebella
    Peacock's j.MK hits low
     
  8. Swiftfox-Dash

    Swiftfox-Dash The one... the only

    Location:
    Texas
    PSN:
    TJgamer22
    Peacock
    Cerebella
    I was going to say that but I wasn't sure if that fell under "least significant change". Still a fun thought though, she needs better lows imo.
     
  9. Midiman

    Midiman Person, SG Player, Guy who likes cats Gameplay Mod

    Cerebella
    Eliza
    For the sake of clearing it up, something like Peacock's j.MK hits low is insignificant in the sense that it's something you feel like you can handle at first, but it has incredible underlying gameplay changes.

    Perhaps, then, the challenge is a change made that that seems insignificant at first, but can truly change the dynamics of the character or matchup.
     
  10. Swiftfox-Dash

    Swiftfox-Dash The one... the only

    Location:
    Texas
    PSN:
    TJgamer22
    Peacock
    Cerebella
    I suppose you have a point, just if I heard that change was coming I personally would deem it very significant, but maybe that is because I've wanted that detail since the beginning =p
     
  11. Dime

    Dime The power of BEAT EXTEND

    Painwheel
    Big Band
    Fukua
    All characters can combo off of sweep...
     
  12. IsaVulpes

    IsaVulpes Just Throw

    Location:
    Trinidad && Tobago
    Ms. Fortune
    Filia
    Double
    How is that going to make her broken?
     
  13. Midiman

    Midiman Person, SG Player, Guy who likes cats Gameplay Mod

    Cerebella
    Eliza
    Squigly cr.HK recovery is now 5f
    Squigly Silver Chord hitbox height increased to ~56px;


    < : ^ O
     
  14. scrubbyscum999

    scrubbyscum999 The dream is on hold, till I get my stick back.

    Location:
    Washington DC/Orlando, Florida
    Steam:
    scrubbyscum999
    Painwheel
    Cerebella
    Painwheel Buer counts as a reset.

    OR

    Painwheel Hatred Install is now one meter.
     
  15. EA575

    EA575 A title is supposed to go here

    Steam:
    EA575
    PSN:
    EA575_US
    Eliza
    Cerebella
    Robo Fortune
    You can combo into Cerebella's command grabs (not just the anti-air one)
     
  16. IsaVulpes

    IsaVulpes Just Throw

    Location:
    Trinidad && Tobago
    Ms. Fortune
    Filia
    Double
    You can already do that..
     
  17. EA575

    EA575 A title is supposed to go here

    Steam:
    EA575
    PSN:
    EA575_US
    Eliza
    Cerebella
    Robo Fortune
    wut? Is that a recent change?
     
  18. Dime

    Dime The power of BEAT EXTEND

    Painwheel
    Big Band
    Fukua
    Perhaps not broken but it will make her better. Pinion dash plus hk hairball is amazing and pinion dash to crossup incoming characters with an assist is also amazing, and she can't do it nearly so well (or easy to time) with just a dash.

    And finally pinion dash plus hairball makes her near impossible to pushblock out and gives her a very good half screen away dash attack from the ground that can be made safe with hairball.

    If you have console try it out on there:

    d,d + lk+mp

    And cr.lk,cr.mk, dd+lk+mp
    Easy mode UNPUSHBLOCKABLE pressure (as long as they don't pushblock the cr.lk) and doubles as a hitconfirm on hit (dash j.mp into full combo after the pinion recovers) and on block allows painwheel to go for mixups from hairball lockdown.

    The lockdown mixups aren't the best cause of autoguard... But they are better than nothing.

    This is a hitconfirm that allows second chances on block and can't rightly be pushblocked... Extremely strong.
     
  19. IsaVulpes

    IsaVulpes Just Throw

    Location:
    Trinidad && Tobago
    Ms. Fortune
    Filia
    Double
    No, you can combo into s.MP staggering and then cancel that into any of her command grabs, which will connect. That was always possible.
     
  20. EA575

    EA575 A title is supposed to go here

    Steam:
    EA575
    PSN:
    EA575_US
    Eliza
    Cerebella
    Robo Fortune
    Oh, I should have clarified besides s.MP but I guess that having more options to combo into command grabs won't really make her broken.
     
  21. Duckator

    Duckator Well-Known Member Evo Champ '12 & '13

    Steam:
    steamcommunity.com/id/byab/
    PSN:
    Duckator
    Filia's cMP is jump-cancelable on block
     
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  22. Hilary

    Hilary Well-Known Member

    • unfly
    • install is air ok
    • hatred armor starts on second frame of startup
    • c.MP now has a full screen laser beam that comes out of painwheel's mouth in addition to its normal properties
     
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  23. KhaosMuffins

    KhaosMuffins Wannabe Gatekeeper

    Location:
    Nashville, TN
    Steam:
    KhaosMuffins
    PSN:
    KhaosMuffins
    Ms. Fortune
    Unknown
    Unknown
    Fortune's j.HK comes out in 10 frames instead of 15.
    Fortune gets back followup after any number of Fiber Upper hits.

    Bring back Vanilla Fortune.
     
    Last edited: Dec 4, 2013
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  24. Age

    Age Well-Known Member

    Cerebella can choose Pummel Horse as an assist (APPARENTLY)
     
  25. Zombies8MyLeg

    Zombies8MyLeg When in doubt mash it out!

    Steam:
    Zombies8MyLeg
    PSN:
    BlackStormTropa
    XBL:
    Zombies8MyLeg
    Parasoul
    Ms. Fortune
    Eliza
    Give Peacock armor
     
    Last edited: Dec 4, 2013
  26. DukeMagus

    DukeMagus Not A Duke; THE Duke

    Gregor Samson goes through projectiles

    Tricobezoar costs 1 bar
     
  27. AceZTeller

    AceZTeller The Spooniest Bard

    Location:
    Detroit
    Steam:
    acezteller
    Robo Fortune
    Painwheel
    Big Band
    Painwheel's armor is now a part of the attack, no charge needed.
     
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  28. Broken Loose

    Broken Loose Costumed Adventurer

    Location:
    Orlando, FL, USA
    Steam:
    brokenloose
    PSN:
    Broken_Loose
    XBL:
    Broken Loose
    Double
    Beowulf
    Big Band
    Other APPARENTLY changes:

    Filia can airball cancel more than once.
    Gregor invulnerability lasts longer than 1f after the flash (possibly even as long as the first active frame!).
    Updo only does 1 hit on point.
    Air Gregor gets hitstop.
    Air Gregor doesn't have additional recovery upon landing.


    Actual contribution:

    Ultimate Showstopper is always 0f post-flash.
     
  29. juju_for_president

    juju_for_president Top-Hatted Assassin

    Location:
    Everywhere
    Steam:
    Magtok
    XBL:
    TinmanHitman
    Valentine
    This is actually a really cool thread discussion; my complements to Midiman. :)

    OT: Valentine:
    +Savage Bypass is safe on block (whether by faster recovery time or increased block-stun)
    +Acquisitive Prescription and Counter Venom (the counter-super) cost 1 meter
    +Savage Bypass has projectile invincibility

    The first or last of those three would probably be enough on their own to make her broken.
     
  30. Crayolan

    Crayolan And so once again, the day is saved, thanks to...

    Peacock
    Cerebella
    Squigly
    Projectiles are unblockable. Entire game is broken.
     
  31. scrubbyscum999

    scrubbyscum999 The dream is on hold, till I get my stick back.

    Location:
    Washington DC/Orlando, Florida
    Steam:
    scrubbyscum999
    Painwheel
    Cerebella
    Painwheel's level 3 is safe on block.
    Painwheel's level 3 is unblockable.
     
  32. Number 13

    Number 13 Training. Off-Topic Mod

    Location:
    Brentwood, Ca
    Steam:
    HooliganComboFTW
    Filia
    Huh?
     
  33. Nap1400

    Nap1400 must get good

    Peacock
    Squigly
    Big Band
    forget unblockables

    blocking is removed from the game

    single change, makes everyone broken
     
  34. DDB

    DDB Annie Train into Callie Station!

    Location:
    Oh god help me
    Steam:
    DDB of the Stars
    PSN:
    DiddyBound
    Ms. Fortune
    Beowulf
    Filia
    Annie: In the game
     
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  35. Number 13

    Number 13 Training. Off-Topic Mod

    Location:
    Brentwood, Ca
    Steam:
    HooliganComboFTW
    Filia
    Blocking is already largely ignored in this game anyway though
     
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  36. Crayolan

    Crayolan And so once again, the day is saved, thanks to...

    Peacock
    Cerebella
    Squigly
    That'd fix the game though.
     
  37. Stuff

    Stuff Lore Master Lord of Lore

    Location:
    California
    Steam:
    Stuff | Stuff | Stuff | Stuff
    Robo Fortune
    Ms. Fortune
    Double
    Fortune is 1.5 times faster in fact everything she does is 1.5 times faster.
     
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  38. Fedora_Ninja

    Fedora_Ninja Never asked for this.

    Steam:
    Fedora Ninja
    Valentine
    Cerebella
    Big Band
    Bella's reflector scales normally.
    whiff super -> dhc into 360 grab is inescapable.

    Can move in air during grab bag like a parachute. (Circus performer should do circus-like stuff.still a useless move unless recovery is shortened or cancelable into elbow drop or something. fun idea tho)
     
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  39. Hilary

    Hilary Well-Known Member

    I am confused as fuck.
     
  40. NCV

    NCV Community Person

    Steam:
    ncv
    Painwheel
    Parasoul
    Painwheel
    oh boy more "what if" threads
     
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