Noob about to quit SG for good. (how long till "git gud"?)

[Muro]

Try recording and sharing your gameplay footage if possible. Some people like to post their own training diaries, detailing things that they are working on and sharing footage of some of their matches. If you ask for help and advice, there are a number of people who will gladly respond as long as they have something to comment on :)

This is very good advice btw. Even if you don't want to share it, just recording your matches and then casually rewatching them yourself helps figure out what your opponents are doing and how to counter it, what you did wrong, what you should do instead, etc.

 

[dMags]

I think it's extremely important too that we pay attention to what HodgyHype is saying in regards to newcomers being put off and turned away from this game because they see it as too hard to learn/only going to get ass stomped by pros. 4 out of 5 people would probably quit the game rather than ask for advice like OP is doing, and unfortunately this sort of attitude seems to be a recurring theme, at least from my limited experience. Yeah, I know that most people on Skullheart see this game as fun and beginner friendly and what not, but most other players don't see it that way at all.

What can we do as a community to help resolve this newcomer issue, rather than simply addressing it when it comes up. I might not be the best rep simply because I'm still somewhat new compared to most of Skullheart, but I'd be more than happy to help in any way possible with an effort geared towards getting beginners into the game. I know that this thread exists, but it seems to have a slightly different focus.

 

[TheMightyBox]

some (not all) of these pro players "trolling" (you'd call it a learning experience and helping to get better) beginners.

Trolling?
You do realize that these pro's, while more than happy to help newcomers, are just trying to play the game and aren't there specifically to help you, right?
Like, it's very hard to gauge someone's skill level before a match starts, usually it takes the entirety of a match to figure out that maybe this guy doesn't know what they're doing.
In random matchmaking at least, they have no idea whether the person they're fighting is a noob, a player of their level, or a tournament winner, so they give it their best from the get-go, and with fighting games that usually means going in hard and not letting up.

What exactly do you mean by trolling?

 

[Flotilla]

You improve as you learn, you learn as you play, and as is the case with pretty much any fighter, you get bodied when you play your first matches.

Examine the reasons why you lose, chances are they go a lot deeper than "this guy knows a bigger combo than me". Look at why you're getting hit, why you're not hitting them, where things start to go wrong. Are you not making use of your characters' entire toolsets? Are you using unsafe moves a lot? Is the opponent countering your every move? Do you not know what to do under pressure? Have you not recognized all of the mixups that each character can do yet?

There's a lot that goes into being a decent player, but it'll all come to you as you keep playing.

 

[gllt]

I'm willing to offer help too. My friends list is AT LIMIT AGAIN AYY but just hit me up here on Skullheart and I'll try and make space for you if you'd like to play. I tend to record my sets and I can help you set up a training thread and get advice. I'll offer what knowledge I can, though a lot of my recent knowledge came from @dekillsage because he's awesome.

 

[Skullmageddon]

And I wasn't expecting you to brush off truth you don't like as hostility. You're officialy starting to make stupid excuses.

Git Gud.

Not really appropriate, dude. He already apologized for coming across the wrong way, there's no need to say he's giving off stupid excuses and that he should git gud.

It's ignorant and disrespectful comments like these that put people in a bad mood, which is exactly the point that the OP was trying to make in the first place.

 

[Skullgirlsfanboy]

Man, this had me laughing like crazy! Didn't I tell you guys this already? Tutorials are great, but if this is your first game, you're toast.

I'd recomment trying out Street Fighter IV, and taking a quick hiatus from SG. Use Street Fighter's slower-paced system to improve your combos, and in a month or so, come back, and wreck everyone.

Simple as that!

 

[Cadenza]

Man, this had me laughing like crazy! Didn't I tell you guys this already? Tutorials are great, but if this is your first game, you're toast.

I'd recomment trying out Street Fighter IV, and taking a quick hiatus from SG. Use Street Fighter's slower-paced system to improve your combos, and in a month or so, come back, and wreck everyone.

Simple as that!

really......really? ok i'm going to be the only person to say this.
Please. Oh PLEASE. Shut up. what if he doesn't like SF4? THEN WHAT?! *puts you on ignore*

 

[Flotilla]

Tutorials are great, but if this is your first game, you're toast.

I think you actually need to own the game to make that judgement

And SFIV isn't exactly better than SG for beginners, it just has a lower skill floor since any day-one player can sweep-grab 50/50 their way to victory pretty easily against the tons of other day-one players. It has a nearly nonexistent tutorial which doesn't teach you any of the basic fundamentals that help across all fighters, and not just SFIV.

 

[Squire Grooktook]

Not really appropriate, dude. He already apologized for coming across the wrong way, there's no need to say he's giving off stupid excuses and that he should git gud.

I don't see any other post after the claim of hostility, so not seeing any apology. Like I said, most of the comments here have been very heartfelt, reasonable, understanding, and are probably the best advice you could hope for. I don't know what else you could ask for.

 

[Skullgirlsfanboy]

I think you actually need to own the game to make that judgement

And SFIV isn't exactly better than SG for beginners, it just has a lower skill floor since any day-one player can sweep-grab 50/50 their way to victory pretty easily against the tons of other day-one players. It has a nearly nonexistent tutorial which doesn't teach you any of the basic fundamentals that help across all fighters, and not just SFIV.

That is a good point. It's just that even though SFIV has tons of noobs, its the sheer number of them that'll make you improve. After you lose 50 times to grab spamming, you'll start to see when you can get grabbed, and be ready to counter. Hado spammers and 3d ed. godles are nasty, too, but it's all about learning what's safe and what isnt. Godles especially are prone to being baited. It's how I learned, and it did me pretty good.
(still on that I don't own the game thing? That's ok.)

really......really? ok i'm going to be the only person to say this.
Please. Oh PLEASE. Shut up. what if he doesn't like SF4? THEN WHAT?! *puts you on ignore*

Sorry to hear that.

I don't see any other post after the claim of hostility, so not seeing any apology. Like I said, most of the comments here have been very heartfelt, reasonable, understanding, and are probably the best advice you could hope for. I don't know what else you could ask for.

I agree. The people who don't seal their ears the moment you say something are great, and this guy'll get 2nd place at Evo, if they help him out. (I'm still getting 1st, though.)

Good luck in your future endeavors, @HodgyHype !

 

[juju_for_president]

but if this is your first game, you're toast.

This also isn't his/her first Fighting Game.

 

[HodgyHype]

Trolling?
You do realize that these pro's, while more than happy to help newcomers, are just trying to play the game and aren't there specifically to help you, right?
Like, it's very hard to gauge someone's skill level before a match starts, usually it takes the entirety of a match to figure out that maybe this guy doesn't know what they're doing.
In random matchmaking at least, they have no idea whether the person they're fighting is a noob, a player of their level, or a tournament winner, so they give it their best from the get-go, and with fighting games that usually means going in hard and not letting up.

What exactly do you mean by trolling?

I meant randoms trolling in lobby, and by troll I really mean beating down me and my friend because he could. Really the skill level was apparent. Beat us 5 or 6 rounds then left.

I'm willing to offer help too. My friends list is AT LIMIT AGAIN AYY but just hit me up here on Skullheart and I'll try and make space for you if you'd like to play. I tend to record my sets and I can help you set up a training thread and get advice. I'll offer what knowledge I can, though a lot of my recent knowledge came from @dekillsage because he's awesome.

Thx for the offer, thank you dekillsage and all the people that gave non hostile advice. (very cool to see the former EVO champ on the forum)

Man, this had me laughing like crazy! Didn't I tell you guys this already? Tutorials are great, but if this is your first game, you're toast.

I'd recomment trying out Street Fighter IV, and taking a quick hiatus from SG. Use Street Fighter's slower-paced system to improve your combos, and in a month or so, come back, and wreck everyone.

Simple as that!

Yeah see I actually came from SF3 and SF4 to SG. SF4 being one of my favorite games of all time. Obviously a change of pace going from SF to SG, not sure if that's a good thing.

 

[Flotilla]

It's just that even though SFIV has tons of noobs, its the sheer number of them that'll make you improve.

I might get some people disagreeing with me, but you improve far slower playing with opponents on your (low) skill level than you would playing with opponents at a higher skill level. When you play with unskilled players, you develop bad habits since they are just as ill-equipped to deal with your play as you are ill-equipped to deal with theirs.

When I first started playing SG, playing with other low-skill players taught me that HP and HK were good reversals, Bangbangbang is the only Peacock projectile you need, and roundstart Argus always works.

 

[dapurplesharpie]

This also isn't his/her first Fighting Game.

I'm like 95% sure SKFB is just a troll that finds the most click-baiting part of the paragraph, replies to it without even reading that section, and then adds catheads to the end of the post.

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[Skullgirlsfanboy]

Yeah see I actually came from SF3 and SF4 to SG. SF4 being one of my favorite games of all time. Obviously a change of pace going from SF to SG, not sure if that's a good thing.

Hmm... have you ever tried MVC3? It may help your combos, thought it's got a lot of good players.

I might get some people disagreeing with me, but you improve far slower playing with opponents on your (low) skill level than you would playing with opponents at a higher skill level. When you play with unskilled players, you develop bad habits since they are just as ill-equipped to deal with your play as you are ill-equipped to deal with theirs.

When I first started playing SG, playing with other low-skill players taught me that HP and HK were good reversals, Bangbangbang is the only Peacock projectile you need, and roundstart Argus always works.

That's true, but have you ever fought a 3d ed. godle? That guy'll teach you how to make every frame count.

I'm like 95% sure SKFB is just a troll that finds the most click-baiting part of the paragraph, replies to it without even reading that section, and then adds catheads to the end of the post.

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I take it you don't like my advice, or presence, huh?
This one's for you

 

[Raging_Zoroark]

Maybe I am the only person that thinks that SG is way easier than Street Fighter 4. I did a lot more improvement in two weeks of Skullgirls than in two years of Street Fighter.

 

[dMags]

if you want to learn SG, then play SG.

If you're stuggling in math class at school, teachers don't tell you to take a month off and focus on history class in order to improve your math skills. ( yes, that's an exaggerated example )

 

[chickenwithtie]

I agree with Flotilla on this. Going on Quickmatch keeps you awake.

I'm like 95% sure SKFB is just a troll that finds the most click-baiting part of the paragraph, replies to it without even reading that section, and then adds catheads to the end of the post.

 

[dapurplesharpie]

You are a god, sir. A GOD.

EDIT
omg.....The page is so clean and helpful!
I HAVE BEEN CLEANSED

 

[Squire Grooktook]

I might get some people disagreeing with me, but you improve far slower playing with opponents on your (low) skill level than you would playing with opponents at a higher skill level. When you play with unskilled players, you develop bad habits since they are just as ill-equipped to deal with your play as you are ill-equipped to deal with theirs.

When I first started playing SG, playing with other low-skill players taught me that HP and HK were good reversals, Bangbangbang is the only Peacock projectile you need, and roundstart Argus always works.

I think ideally, if you want to improve, its best to play with a large variety of players. From even, to slightly above you, to occasionally very high above you. Very slightly above is ideal IMO because you're not going to learn much getting trashed in the corner repeatedly.

Of course, if you don't care about improving (and honestly, you don't have to in order to enjoy the game), than play with whoever you like.

Maybe I am the only person that thinks that SG is way easier than Street Fighter 4. I did a lot more improvement in two weeks of Skullgirls than in two years of Street Fighter.

I'd say the combos are easier, and the spacing is intuitive which can help you focus your mind on strategy.

 

[Skullmageddon]

I don't see any other post after the claim of hostility, so not seeing any apology. Like I said, most of the comments here have been very heartfelt, reasonable, understanding, and are probably the best advice you could hope for. I don't know what else you could ask for.

First off all, he literally apologized in the exact same post where he mentioned that he felt some sense of hostility. He even put his apology in bold letters, one space below the comment in question. Not only that, but he's been posting in response to comments afterwards since then, explaining his sentiment and thanking people for their advice.

If you actually read the post in question (which it sounds like you didn't), you'd realize that it makes perfect sense for him to view the early comments in this thread as somewhat hostile. Even though they were all comments providing earnest and well written advice, he wasn't expecting people to respond so critically and seriously. Honest advice can easily feel like a personal attack when your initial intent was to simply vent and express your opinion.

All I'm sayin' is that there's no need for anyone to get upset here. The point of this thread wasn't to ask for help, it was to express a feeling of distaste for how this game alienates newcomers. Calling him out for something won't help, especially after he's already apologized for the misunderstanding. All we need to do is be honest and respectful to one another, even if things get a little rough :)

 

[Nap1400]

Coming from personal experience, the main reason I think this game is the most beginner-friendly fighting game out there is its incredibly low execution barrier. The worst kinds of inputs you have to deal with are DP inputs, and aside from characters like Squigly and Filia you aren't going to get accidental quarter circle inputs instead. Ironically this is probably the reason why many newbies get stomped on more in this game than many other fighting games. Without an execution barrier, players have a very easy time getting in (or staying away in the case of some characters like Peacock) and anyone who doesn't have strong fundamentals on these types of games is going to get bodied real hard by anyone who has an even slight grasp on the situation.

While most of this is usually rectified with experience, definitely try to keep track of what exactly happened that you lost. Did you get hit by that DP assist? Is Peacock predicting your approach patterns too well? Were you pressing a button when Squigly used Center Stage xx SBO? Try to find these situations, isolate the problem, and try to ask players how you can deal with these specific situations.

 

[cloudKing211]

What the heck I wasn't hostile at all. My hug offer is REAL. See me in hugs.

Real talk: is this offer still open? I like hugs too...........senpai

 

[mcpeanuts]

Real talk: is this offer still open? I like hugs too...........senpai

Man you fucked up. I could have given you a hug yesterday if you'd asked. As it stands you might have to wait until NEC. Whenever I see you next there WILL be hugs tho

 

[Squire Grooktook]

First off all, he literally apologized in the exact same post where he mentioned that he felt some sense of hostility.

He apologized for his original post, not for the statement about hostility (not that he needs too, obviously). Kind of backwards since there was nothing offensive in his original post (not really in the second one either, but the hostility remark was certainly a strange misread when several posters practically bent over backwards to be understanding).

I read it, and read it over again, and I still don't think it makes a lot of sense personally. You ask a serious question, you (hopefully) get a serious response back. What else would you expect to get? Meme posting or trolling? Be clear on your intentions: don't expect silliness when you ask for seriousness or vice versa.

Of course this is hardly something worth kicking up a storm about, I'm just saying I can equally understand where Kawalorn was coming from given the effort people put into making non-offensive and helpful reponses.

 

[Skullgirlsfanboy]

What I mean is that SFIV teaches the fundamentals of fighters, from not messing up that counterstream of hadoken, to mastering punishes.

And I hate math... Hugs are nice, though!

 

[D.R.E.]

Saw 30 hours... Stopped reading...I'm coming up on 200 hrs and I'm only halfway becoming competent..and most of the ppl online id say are intermediate/beginners..they can just beat you, cause your new...like I'm sure many have said, just keep playing

 

[Agitoho]

Saw 30 hours... Stopped reading...I'm coming up on 200 hrs and I'm only halfway becoming competent..and most of the ppl online id say are intermediate/beginners..they can just beat you, cause your new...like I'm sure many have said, just keep playing

I sort of have to agree with this, too. My husband and I combined are past 150 hours, I think, and I know I'm most of those hours and I'm still getting whipped. So yeah, like everyone else says, you just gotta keep practicing really. Find some peps to practice with, people who will go all out to give you a test, people who don't mind holding back just so you go figure out what hits who and how it hits, etc. It sort of like that saying "I can open the door, but you gotta walk through it." You got people willing to help you, it's up to you if you want to take that help or not.

Someone else said something about addressing how to make newcomers not shy away from the game after getting discouraged (I'm sorry I can't you .>_<.). I think that would make for an interesting topic. Yeah, there are steam groups, but from my experience, coming into the game late, everyone in the group is way above me. I'd go as far as suggesting a new beginners group on Steam that constantly sees to beginners and is willing to run lobbies and stuff, but is that a sound idea for the long run?

I guess for now, you're best bet is finding other people who don't mind playing against you to help you get better. I'm willing to help myself. ^-^

 

[Skullmageddon]

--Snip--

I understand where Kawalorn is coming from too, I just don't like to see people getting upset and angry at one another. I'd like for us to all get along, even if things are getting dicey :)

At any rate, there are in fact a lot of newcomers that shy away from this game after playing it for a short period. This game is a big commitment if you hope to improve and it can be tough to find people locally that are willing to play with you. At the end of the day, you really just have to decide for yourself whether or not you like the game and are willing to learn and improve. Like most people here, I'd encourage you to jump right into the community head first. Talk to people, make friends, and just keep playing. Even if it takes a while to notice any signs of improvement, you might find some other aspect of the game or its community that you really enjoy :)

 

[Squire Grooktook]

Saw 30 hours... Stopped reading...I'm coming up on 200 hrs and I'm only halfway becoming competent..and most of the ppl online id say are intermediate/beginners..they can just beat you, cause your new...like I'm sure many have said, just keep playing

I think you could theoretically get good at a game in a very small number of hours, but only if your an absolute top level player (I'm talking Evo finalist). I see the same thing in other genres. There's a few top players who can do good right away, but the vast majority of players really need to put some serious time in before they can seriously compete.

I understand where Kawalorn is coming from too, I just don't like to see people getting upset and angry at one another. I'd like for us to all get along, even if things are getting dicey :)

Yeah, I can agree with that. Anger is something we can all do without.

 

[Little Nomad]

If you don't like losing, seek out players on your own skill level and stick with em.

Hell, maybe you'll become friends or get your own little club going. You can all progress together. More fun than getting beaten up or told to git good on a forum, at any rate.

Hey, I have about 30 hours in-game and I have about 4ish friends at around my skill level or below. You can come hang with us ^ ^ None of us know long combos yet.

 

[Squire Grooktook]

Hey, I have about 30 hours in-game and I have about 4ish friends at around my skill level or below. You can come hang with us ^ ^ None of us know long combos yet.

If that was referred to me, I actually do know some decent combos, and I was kinda okay for a before I took a break for school and some other games to catch up on. A good invitation to the OP though.

Of course, I wouldn't mind joining anyone for some games once I get done with school stress argh

 

[Little Nomad]

Oh no, I meant the OP since he mentioned being at 30 hours (I'm@29), but you seem cool too. =)

 

[HowSweet]

im a noob to and im sorry about that really youre right about the poeple online if you want some practice im down for it i just send you a friend request my Steam is Maaaanny18.

 

[Dime]

@original poster

Quickmatch is used to find opponents around your skill level. If only 1 in every 15 people is a newb... Them you should be friend requesting and asking said newbs to play matches.

It sucks trying to learn a game where everyone is expert level, so just find the beginners and play them. I entered evo sg even though i only had 2 playing partners to practice against and we all started at the same time.

You dont need lots of different people to play against, you only need one or two beginners like. Yourself to get practice against, and then grind your combos and resets while not playing them.


Then you get better and graduate to playing better and better players.


Also 30 hours us like literally no time in sg. You shouldnt expect to be able to put a decent fight until between 200-500 hours depending on how fast you learn and the teachers you get (people you play)

I probably have somewhere around 1200 hours on pc edition and the same on consoles... So yeah.


And that advice that you arent going to do good in any competetive game against experts when you are a newb, is spot on.


Its like playing baseball for 30 hours and stepping up to the 100 mph unseeable fireballs of doom and expect to hit homers...


You need to step that shit down to 20 mph and work your way up... For YEARS. Luckily, Sg's
learning curve isnt as hard as baseball.

But the same thinking applies in the short term.

 

[Stuff]

There are plenty of us who just started learning the game and are bad at skullgirls (at first)

Man, this had me laughing like crazy! Didn't I tell you guys this already? Tutorials are great, but if this is your first game, you're toast.

This also goes to the OP

Hello skullgirls is my first ever fighter and did fine with just the tutorial and after losing many times (both offline and online) I asked around how to play and there are plenty of people who give advice. With their help I feel I have gotten much better than when I had first started (My first tournament was where I lost to Chris G and he didn't even play this game around mde times) I used to never beat anyone but I didn't let that get me down, you must continue to play and ask around if there is something you don't understand. There are many players willing to help (some even volunteer to train you themselves (which isn't something someone should do if they aren't super experienced but at least they are helping)) so just ask around. Is there a character you don't know how to use? Ask. A match up got you down? Ask. Can't block Filia? Ask. It's really easy to do and you'll learn more and improve greatly.

Now I'm not saying I became the BEST but I feel I have certainly gotten better with just asking around because there are knowledgeable people who will answer. We're an alright community, helpful at the very least.

 

[Skullgirlsfanboy]

Another thought would be to study people's training diaries. Find combos, and try them out yourself. Study matches on Youtube, as well. I do that when I can't train, and I find it useful to see other people's mentalities.

 

[Slap]

I sort of have another question that I feel is related to the thread topic.

How can you tell if you're getting good? I can touch the fightstick and know a combo or two, but I feel like I'm spinning my wheels while I'm getting my face stomped in by people who've discovered the secret to learning the game.

 

[Cadenza]

I sort of have another question that I feel is related to the thread topic.

How can you tell if you're getting good? I can touch the fightstick and know a combo or two, but I feel like I'm spinning my wheels while I'm getting my face stomped in by people who've discovered the secret to learning the game.

you pretty much can tell when you're getting good when you know exactly what your normals can do and how you can YOUR normals to attack the enemy. that and good defense.

Ultimately the more you play, the more you can decide which move will counter what. which move will neutralize what. and so on.