Shin Megami Tensei and Persona

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  1. Ruin

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    I'm sorry I'm not down to support a series that turns a famous mother goddess into a loli and Zeus into a Monokuma gijinka
     
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    Oh god, I didn't even know we had seen any designs other than the owl and the anime, these are fucking garbage.
     
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    You know that design aesthetic on Zeus existed long before Dangan Ronpa, right? It’s on Two Face ffs. It’s meant to represent a duality of man, which is pretty fitting for Zeus considering he’s this great respected god who everyone knew couldn’t keep it in his pants.

    Hell, Doi admitted in an interview his design is based on zeus’s duality.
    EDIT:

    WELL, I tried to link a Tumblr post that has the interview translated, but the forum refuses to acknowledge it’s existence. So if you want to read the interview, message me and I’ll send you a pm after I get off work.

    Until then, here’s a little snippet I took from my phone.
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    There's better ways of communicating that than a sentai reject

    edit: to elaborate now that I have time, I dislike the Zeus design less because it's half and half, but more because it lacks a certain element of respect, I feel.
    I read the interview already and I actually would have liked a Zeus with the classic toga and armor, something majestic and sinister at the same time to really give you a sense of "Zeus is fucking cool" but also "Zeus is a fucking asshole" and Monokuma Zeus doesn't do that for me. It's just "white marble cool guy Zeus" and "BLACK EVIL MEAN GUY ZEUS MADE OUT OF METAL AND SPIKES"

    It's tacky, and I think it does a disservice to the original mythos, especially with fucking Loli Demeter running. If Persephone is in this game I might just get an ulcer
     
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    The post also links to an article talking about Demeter, which Doi explains why he gave her a childlike appearance to fit the more mischevious themes of demons. She’s apparently part of the story too from what I can get from the interview.
     
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    I don't really think mischievous when I think Demeter but yeah sure whatever helps you sleep at night
     
  7. Aden

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    Speaking of problems with Atlus.

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    Also as little as I want to play Deep Strange Journey, the Japanese limited edition is pretty cool.
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    In other news (to me) Kaneko Works IV after being repeatedly delayed (after just not appearing on the date it was supposed to release with no one saying anything) apparently came out in June and V (previously unannounced) came out last month. Since they're just Devil Summoner split up it makes me think they probably had issues justifying the publishing issue of IV as one book. Will still probably grab them myself since I have the first 3.
     
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    wait wait waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait

    why the FUCK is Jacklevania not it's own game
    I'd buy that shit for sure, it looks fun. Why attach it to a worse game
     
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    just check this guy's material. controversial as it may be, he, dijeh and a few others are some of the most diehard SMT fans i've ever seen. And they have a very decent basis for slamming doi's insipid pseudo-sentai design in Zeus and Odin or the bullshit call of making a mother goddess looking like anything EXCEPT motherly or divine

    EDIT: tumblr plugin is busted, just copy the link

    on a side note, this side scroller is the most inspired thing SMT related atlus released since SMT4
     
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    Figures that making a good looking game is what qualifies as a joke to atlus these days
     
  12. Squire Grooktook

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    Yeah, that's the right word for it. Just like the SMT IV angels being over-designed visual clusterfucks. It lacks taste.

    It's not an eyesore like those designs, but it's not great either and there's zero subtlety to it.

    I like some of Doi's designs. His humans are fairly distinctive and attractive by anime standards, but his monsters/demons tend to be a bit...hit and miss, at most.
     
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    Doi is a solid artist who can adapt kaneko's designs really well (sometimes, SJR isn't one of them lol) and he made some of the more "ugh" designs from SMT4 more palatable in 4A
    but I find that a lot of his human designs lack depth, that sense of dimensionality, and his demon designs tend to either be uninspired or different for the sake of being different.

    That isn't to say there still isn't some good designs in newer entries though, everyone loves Minotaur and I fucking can't get enough of Chemtrail. I think Anahita is a solid design too, if a little bland.
     
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    Doi is at his best when he is literally just copying Kaneko's art like in Persona 2 for PSP.
     
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    yeah it makes me wonder what went wrong with SJ, stuff like "pressed against a pane of glass" protagonist and Jimenez's spray on hair isn't what I came to expect from P2P Doi
     
  16. DukeMagus

    DukeMagus Not A Duke; THE Duke

    Sometimes the SMT "elitists" aren't so wrong.

    Kaneko is horrible designing human characters, but they fit his own style in a way: in a world where the most bizarre demons are real, humans are the most bland being to see. So having everyione looking like a porcelain doll fits.
     
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    other times its an echo chamber, but this all seems more like a difference in opinion.
     
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    I mean i can sit here and suck off Kaneko all day but I'm not so single-minded that I'd blame everything wrong with the series now on him not working on it anymore, I'd blame some of the creative direction going in a direction i don't like as much on his absence sure, but Kaneko isn't one of the damn writers. I think the only game Kaneko was involved in the writing with was... Strange Journey, I believe. Maybe Raidou? Whatever.

    Hell, I can't even completely fault Doi for putting out designs I don't like, he's not the art director as far as I know, so whoever that is, I'll direct my scorn at
    or just throw eggs at Yamai, but executive producers either have all the power or don't do shit, and I'm not sure with him.
     
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    also somebody mentioned that SMT4 was visually inconsistent, that was probably because while Doi was the lead artist, that game had a bunch of famous guest artists, including one Keita Amemiya who for some reason decided to go against his usual artstyle that he has for Garo and other Tokusatsu mockup designs and instead went for a scrap metal design.

    I mean I still like his designs. He's a very good artist.
     
  20. DukeMagus

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    Cozy Okada is another old timer that could make the difference
     
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    Jacklevania is a real thing and you can download it here
     
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    Also they've been talking about balance changes for the remake, claiming difficulty hasn't been changed while also saying things like the player character will actually be useful in combat now. Oh, and Macca Beam will still be present.

    I know everyone here is itching to buy it.
     
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    Bite the Dust will now be accompanied by Jimenez loudly going "HOLY SHIT IS THAT A MOTHERFUCKING JOJO'S REFERENCE?" even when he's not around
     

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