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Skullheart's changes.

mcpeanuts said:
Nah, it can.
Let me clarify.
The way it is now, we don't necessarily lose the entire website, but it doesn't exist as a community anymore. The point of a forum has never been to be a metagame think tank or a skullgirls tech generator, that's an aspect of it but it's really just a community of people united by a common interest to talk about stuff. Requiring it to all be related to skullgirls makes your relationship with any other person here similar to a co-worker that you've never met outside of the office. You don't know that much about them aside from that parasoul reset they came up with. Might as well remove avatars too, they aren't contributing to skullgirls they're just giving people these "identity" things, who cares about that? I don't need to know who you are I just need a Big Band BnB that I can use in the corner.

Number 13 said:
As someone who looks at site traffic daily~

Truthfully: It did diminish a bit; but hardly 'dead' as what has been thrown around here lately. Note this is the just the short-term implications, but think it is safe to say it probably wouldn't help with any traffic spike increase in the near future.

Also no idea why people here are convinced that this was an ultimatum because pretty sure some of the more recent staff posts alluded otherwise.
It definitely won't be an everyone leaves in a massive mob case, since everyone's still hanging out waiting for the final answer on what's going to happen since it's been repeated that we're half way through the change. In fact simply by nature of this website essentially having a monopoly on skullgirls metagame info it will probably at least hang on their until the game itself dies.
But in the long run I'm absolutely certain that it will hurt not just skullheart, but the skullgirls community as a whole quite a lot.
Because nobody's going to get to know each other around here. If I can name a skullheart username and describe their personality there's a 100% chance that I got to know them from subsections of the forum that have nothing to do with skullgirls. And if you don't feel any sort of connection to the community then you're way less likely to actually keep playing the game long term or come back to it after a hiatus. I can safely say that the connections I made here and in UOTS are the only reason I still play this game, even passively.

worldjem said:
Why does everyone like to ignore Art/Lore? Like, I haven't seen a single person acknowledge The Gallery as a place for casual SG fans/players to go to do non-gameplay stuff about Skullgirls and instead puts Off-Topic on this pedestal of godly inclusiveness that's only relation to Skullgirls is the fact that it exists on the forum. Off-Topic has nothing to do with Skullgirls, so if you're a casual Skullgirls player or Skullgirls fan and are into the lore/art and whatever else, that forum still exists for you to go and talk about anything non-gameplay.

You don't need Off-Topic to talk about "non-serious" Skullgirls.
Don't be ridiculous.
The gallery requires that you either create skullgirls art yourself or talk about the skullgirls fanart submitted. So unless you're saying that I can post normal off topic stuff with a vaguely connected microsoft paint image with a skullgirls character shopped in for the op, then that doesn't make sense at all. And if you do mean that then holy shit that is the stupidest compromise I have ever heard of.
The closest we have to casual discussion is "other fighting games."
 
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Boy, do you have a narrow concept of what "art" is.

Art doesn't mean ONLY visual art, and The Gallery doesn't "require" anything of you. The Gallery is there to host discussion on anything artful that has to do with Skullgirls. And there's even a non-gameplay character forum if you don't want to talk lore or art.

No, you can't talk about My Little Pony in the SG art section, but you might be able to get away with Skullgirls-ized versions of My Little Pony characters.

Ask @Cellsai for details.

My point is, so many people cry that the removal of Off-Topic will ruin things for Casual Skullgirls enthusiasts, when there's an entire subforum dedicated to casual Skullgirls discussion.

Off-Topic has nothing to do with Skullgirls.
 
What else is there to discuss regarding Skullgirls art? Few people make good fanfiction and cosplay got gutted with the removal of its subforum (though it was never active in the first place).
 
Believe cosplay was just assimilated to art. It was fairly active near the beginning with quite a few regulars, but most of them disappeared either after the first or second time the site died.
 
None of the sections got "gutted" they were consolidated under "Art and Other Media."

If you look, you'll find the cosplay threads.

Edit: Ninja'd by 13
 
worldjem said:
My point is, so many people cry that the removal of Off-Topic will ruin things for Casual Skullgirls enthusiasts, when there's an entire subforum dedicated to casual Skullgirls discussion.

Off-Topic has nothing to do with Skullgirls.

Pardon me if I sound arrogant but though I don't really stay on the forums too much I really haven't seen many of these people.
 
worldjem said:
Why does everyone like to ignore Art/Lore? Like, I haven't seen a single person acknowledge The Gallery as a place for casual SG fans/players to go to do non-gameplay stuff about Skullgirls and instead puts Off-Topic on this pedestal of godly inclusiveness whose only relation to Skullgirls is the fact that it exists on the forum. Off-Topic has nothing to do with Skullgirls, so if you're a casual Skullgirls player or Skullgirls fan and are into the lore/art and whatever else, that forum still exists for you to go and talk about anything non-gameplay.

You don't need Off-Topic to talk about "non-serious" Skullgirls.

My point wasn't that OT was the only place in existence in this forum that casuals could go to, but that it was another option. Even if you love Skullgirls music, most people aren't going to be content to just post about the music. When they do get tired of music posting they could have posted on OT before the change. Now, the most likely thing to happen is for them to just leave the site. That was, in my opinion, the best use of OT; when you were just burnt out on Skullgirls talk. Yes, the loss of that may not be that big of an issue, but it's nothing that is positive. So, once again, I must ask: what is/was the endgame on this thing?
 
worldjem said:
Why does everyone like to ignore Art/Lore? Like, I haven't seen a single person acknowledge The Gallery as a place for casual SG fans/players to go to do non-gameplay stuff about Skullgirls and instead puts Off-Topic on this pedestal of godly inclusiveness whose only relation to Skullgirls is the fact that it exists on the forum. Off-Topic has nothing to do with Skullgirls, so if you're a casual Skullgirls player or Skullgirls fan and are into the lore/art and whatever else, that forum still exists for you to go and talk about anything non-gameplay.

You don't need Off-Topic to talk about "non-serious" Skullgirls.
Fanart, Palettes, Voice Acting, Merch, and more recently inappropriate censoring.
Those are the broad categories of threads I see when I go to the art sub-forum.

I mentioned it earlier but that kind of forum is roughly divided between two types of posters; content creators and commentators. The problem I see here is that the content creators are in the minority whereas in the gameplay or lore threads anyone can post so long as they have something about the game to discuss. Editing .gifs, providing voice samples, editing music with video, or even downloading GIMP so that custom palette ideas can be made. And some people are just content to see what other people put up and comment on them.

Lore discussion will always be hampered by the lack of available information to discuss. There is no canon story mode and we only know the "what if" scenarios of the main cast, and trying to piece together a coherent main storyline has already been exhausted by the members of this forum. There is only so much that can be said with so little information and barring a SG2 or other reliable source of information that sub-thread won't really offer much to new people aside from talking about the same few topics.

tl;dr Art/lore are great for non-gameplay discussions but the former has a higher barrier to post new content than the gameplay discussions, and the latter is limited by the game's currently small roster.

You can't really say that it's an equivalent alternative to what the OT threads offered for casual (and non-casual) players of Skullgirls.
 
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I'm not saying The Gallery is an equivalent alternative to Off-Topic (nor would I want it to be).
I'm pointing out the flaw in the argument everyone loves to repeat and that the argument doesn't hold up because it is untrue.

And for creator vs commentator, that's not anyone's fault? If you can't make art, or don't want to, promote someone else's? There's a General Fanart Thread where people can post whatever fanart they find as long as it's properly sourced. Same goes for any kind of art.
 
worldjem said:
None of the sections got "gutted" they were consolidated under "Art and Other Media."
I consider the loss of a dedicated space to talk about a particular topic gutting of that topic. If you don't think that's the case, oh well. That's your thing, not mine.
 
worldjem said:
And for creator vs commentator, that's not anyone's fault? If you can't make art, or don't want to, promote someone else's? There's a General Fanart Thread where people can post whatever fanart they find as long as it's properly sourced. Same goes for any kind of art.
I'm not presenting that as a problem per say. Just a statement of fact. It's just like how some people feel like making Skullhearts exclusively about gameplay will create a divide between higher level players and casual players. There exists a situation where a minority of contributers exist within a group of consumers and post activity depends on that smaller number providing new material. That's just how things are.

My point is that art/lore are casual friendly. But there is a slightly higher barrier of entry than found in gameplay or OT.
 
worldjem said:
I'm not saying The Gallery is an equivalent alternative to Off-Topic (nor would I want it to be).
I'm pointing out the flaw in the argument everyone loves to repeat and that the argument doesn't hold up because it is untrue.

Here's the issue though, at least as I see it.
Art/Lore isn't for non-serious conversation, it's for serious conversation about aspects of the game that aren't gameplay.
And people aren't upset about the loss of OT because there's nowhere else to talk about not-gameplay stuff, they're upset because it was a nice community subforum where members, people who perhaps don't know each other outside of Skullheart, could talk about things that aren't really related to the game at all.
 
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I don't understand.

I keep seeing people say "It won't kill Skullheart". That may be true. Maybe Skullheart will continue (though maybe, looking at the numbers Vad posted, it won't continue strong). And Traffic may not matter (though maybe that won't always be the case, and there may be a day when we need ads to support the site or the community in some way). And maybe losing some members is not the end of the world (though maybe a continuing downward spiral of activity will affect non-hardcorde players who think the site's dead and stop showing up, creating a vicious cycle that drives away new players and makes more old users leave at the correctly perceived "deadness" of the site).

But "It won't kill Skullheart" doesn't at all sound like a reason to do it. I understand why "It won't kill Skullheart" is a reason some people think they don't mind the change, since they don't mind and it won't have any immediate impact on their experience of the site, but I don't understand why that means it has to happen. I don't understand why all of this being an "acceptable loss" means it's a necessary one. I just do not understand.
 
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worldjem said:
Off-Topic has nothing to do with Skullgirls.

Most people, if not everyone here, would probably agree with this. Especially considering the fact that every off-topic section in every forum ever made is specifically there so that people can discuss things that "have nothing to do" with whatever the forum's actual focus is.

Discussion on the subject would be more constructive if we, the users, were provided a clear cut reasoning behind some of the decision making. In other words, what where the goals and objectives behind these changes. We've been given an answer to this question before, but thus far the reasoning has been rather weak.

The general idea seems to be that removing OT, amongst other changes, will help focus the site more on SG and promote gameplay discussion. This, in many ways, is probably true. Now that there isn't any clutter in the "recent threads" section, it's actually easier to sift through gameplay related threads which is something that I appreciate. There also doesn't seem to be a big hit to site traffic, which is good. Anything about the future of these changes is speculative, so I won't bother going there.

On the other hand, none of the benefits from these changes indicate that the changes themselves were a push in the right direction. The biggest problem with these changes is that, while promoting constructive discussion, a decent number of users are legitimately upset. This doesn't have a large effect (positive or negative) on gameplay discussion, but it does in fact have a negative effect on the community. The state of the community is just as important as how relatively active they are, so having a decent number of users step forward to voice negative outlooks on the forum in response to large scale changes is definitely a problem even if the changes themselves seem to have benefits.

Another issue that many seem to have is that there are other solutions worth considering. For example, setting much stricter rules and heavily moderating the OT sections would probably have been enough. No forum games, no spamming, etc. etc. This would help alleviate some of the crap that would clutter the "recent threads" section while still allowing people more freedom to simply talk. Some might be upset still, but more people would be perfectly okay with this. There are also ways in which we can incentivise users to create, promote, and share constructive content. I'm not going to discuss ideas here though, this is not the place for that and I've already written enough as is...
 
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DiscoShark said:
LOL Shoutouts to being banned from the Skullgirls IRC. Good fucking show guys.

I guess, despite literally not saying a thing to incite a ban in the first place, the mere existence of the name "FreeOffTopic" in the member list of the IRC triggered some vulnerable #Skullgirls mod. My deepest condolences for your hurt feelings. I suppose a warning would have taken too long to respond to and in the interim action needed to be taken immediately lest anarchy take hold and bring down everything that we've sought to hold sacred ... like things that aren't off topic.

Hi!

So I took a look back (as I'm privy to logging to be able to check up on stuff) to see what happened. It looks like you got bopped due to not knowing who you were when you had left the channel while still in that nick and hadn't said anything in quite awhile. So it was believed you were just one of the random people who decides to go into the channel to just do stupid shit. So, not fun. One thing of note though: The ban was only for the nick. If you'd come in as anything else you would've gotten through. Which is pretty much the case at this very moment.

So, y'know, sorry that happened but you don't have to have such an attitude about it?
 
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mcpeanuts said:
@off topic people: Has anyone tried making a thread called something like "Character specific frame trap options with Ms Fortune" but then actually using it to discuss Pokemon or whatever? Worth a shot, the mods might not notice.

Head frame traps are something that I think are underutilized by Fortune players in general. Delayed headbutts give you a great counterhit combo starter if they hit and you can you stick a headbutt after pretty much any of Fortune's normals, whether it is s.LP, s.MP, s.MK or c.MK. I really need to practice them more. I've been meaning to make a thread to discuss her frame trap options because she has really unique ones that really no other character in the game has as she can modify her pressure strings however she wants.

I like Wobuffet.
 
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FuLLBLeeD said:
Head frame traps are something that I think are underutilized by Fortune players in general. Delayed headbutts give you a great counterhit combo starter if they hit and you can you stick a headbutt after pretty much any of Fortune's normals, whether it is s.LP, s.MP, s.MK or c.MK. I really need to practice them more. I've been meaning to make a thread to discuss her frame trap options because she has really unique ones that really no other character in the game has as she can modify her pressure strings however she wants.

I like Wobuffet.
Frame traps with the head are nice but risky. Most of the time they are worth doing, but one wrong move and your taking more damage.

Mega Blastoise is really good for the Battle Maison.
 
Quick question, is that beginner hub thing ever going to be finished?
 
Ask Vadsamoht

The link it points to is essentially the beginner hub anyway

May as well just link the beginner hub directly to the thread
 
If people want to write stuff up for it I'll add it there. If not, then no.
 
Vadsamoht said:
If people want to write stuff up for it I'll add it there. If not, then no.
Just remove the page and link it directly to the thread

it's the same thing
 
So I just tried to post on the beo update and it said I had to wait for a mod, is this a thing now?
 
Jimbob said:
So I just tried to post on the beo update and it said I had to wait for a mod, is this a thing now?
Whoa what?
That sounds really weird.
 
Well if you want a fighting game forum where you can spend most of your time not talking about fighting games, there's always Shoryuken.
 
d3v said:
Well if you want a fighting game forum where you can spend most of your time not talking about fighting games, there's always Shoryuken.
I don't think anyone who's on Skullheart wants to go back to the nu!SRK forum layout.
 
d3v said:
Well if you want a fighting game forum where you can spend most of your time not talking about fighting games, there's always Shoryuken.


"If you want to go to a soccer stadium and not play soccer in the official league, there's always junkyard down the street". (to hell with people that just want to see the games)
 
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so im really late to this whole thing, but did the whole gaming section get axed? i wanted to talk about monster hunter 4 and it doesnt really count as a fighting game
 
Evilweevle said:
so im really late to this whole thing, but did the whole gaming section get axed? i wanted to talk about monster hunter 4 and it doesnt really count as a fighting game
Yes, it got axed with the rest of non-skullgirls/non-fighting game discussion. No word on it coming back. They said they were gonna be addressing the negative reaction to the change, but they've been saying that for nearly a month, so I'm not sure when to expect that response. And I'm not hopeful that the response will be "We're bringing OT back" anyway.
 
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I don't visit Skullheart a lot & wanted to know when did posts have to wait for mods approval?
 
Evilweevle said:
so im really late to this whole thing, but did the whole gaming section get axed? i wanted to talk about monster hunter 4 and it doesnt really count as a fighting game

I also wanted to talk about MH4U, and I'm not really in the mood to join a whole other community just to chit-chat about it. Oh well :/
 
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Israel said:
I don't visit Skullheart a lot & wanted to know when did posts have to wait for mods approval?
It's only happened in a couple of sections so far. Basically, once people got the impression that the mods were going to go ahead in their new vision for Skullheart without even considering the opinions of the other people in the community, they got ticked and started spamming in the first changes thread and the non-gameplay character discussion board as a sort of rebellion against the mods' supposed tyranny. The first changes thread ended up locked and the NGCD board is now stuck in a "mod must approve a post before it can be visible to others" state. It seems that the news forum may also be in such a state, given Jimbob's post earlier. Can't say I particularly like the change, but I understand the logic behind it.
 
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shoryusatsu999 said:
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I feel the same way I understand the logic but this is the first time I ever came across this on a forum, I visit Test Your Might and SRK alot as well...
 
I don't think we sould expect anything at this point.
 
Jimbob said:
I don't think we sould expect anything at this point.

Trust the mods have the decency of standing by their words. If they fail us, they fail with themselves even more
 
Since when did we ever give any concrete explicit dates/deadlines for something regarding this topic? We are not 'on the clock' as of the nature of being purely a small group of volunteers that invests portions of our free time for the purpose of improving the site. OT was not this entire forum as much as I like it.

Just as it was fairly lengthy process to remove an entire section i imagine a hypothetical scenario of further changes regarding the status of MM cafe/OT would also take a reasonable amount of time if not longer. At least if you want to do an acceptable job.

Feel free to think I'm just laughing sadistically behind my monitor wasting my time here if that image is a more believable visual interpretation of what is going on here.
 
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Number 13 said:
Since when did we ever give any concrete explicit dates/deadlines for something regarding this topic? We are not 'on the clock' as of the nature of being purely a small group of volunteers that invests portions of our free time for the purpose of improving the site. OT was not this entire forum as much as I like it.

Just as it was fairly lengthy process to remove an entire section i imagine a hypothetical scenario of further changes regarding the status of MM cafe/OT would also take a reasonable amount of time if not longer. At least if you want to do an acceptable job.

Feel free to think I'm just laughing sadistically behind my monitor wasting my time here if that image is a more believable visual interpretation of what is going on here.
We're not, "on the clock." Who gave you that impression? Certainly not I, with me saying only that users reasonably took our hints to mean that OT was coming back, and they're wondering when that might be.
 
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