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Sparties's Training Diary

notes for eliza combo (i'm not dead yet!!!)

c.lk c.mk s.hp x3 horace
(before they bounce) s.hp x3 [l] upper khat
j.hk delayed adc j.lk j.mp
s.lp x3 c.mk s.hp x3 [l] spiral
s.lk c.mk s.hp x3 [h] spiral]
 
parasoul combo w/ bella assist

s.lp s.mp s.hp x2 assist call
j.hp land into immediate c.hp
j.mp j.hp h.jk
s.lp s.mp [l] napalm
s.lk x2 s.mk x2 s.hp x2 napalm quake

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bella combo w/ parasoul assist

c.lk c.mk j.mp j.hk restand
s.hk assist call pummel horse

v.1 run stop ending

c.mp s.hp runstop
c.lk c.mp s.hp runstop
s.lp x1 c.mp s.hk cerecopter

v.2 common lp mash ending (until i am fully confident with v.1)

c.mp c.hp j.lp mash j.hp
s.lp c.mp s.hk cerecopter
 
current major problems
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  • stop relying on updo
  • relax, stop tensing up in the middle of the match
  • find even more cere resets
  • break the habit of doing assist call > block
  • just started filia, calm down
  • r e l a x
 
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SecretlyEngarde said:
find even more cere resets
No.


Are you good at doing mix ups?
- "Not really" --> then get good at it, use run stop resets correctly, make your opponent's brain melt.
- "Yes, I rock" --> then get even better at it. Make your opponent's brain implode.

Finding new resets won't make you better at mixing and reading. You'll win more often in short sets, but it won't change anything in long ones.

If your goal is to get good, finding new resets is a waste of time, and has a good chance to confuse you when you have to go for a reset in a critical moment.

You don't need "even more".
 
dragonos451 said:
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how exactly do you make use of the resets you have when your opponent already knows what you're using before you know?
the only resets i can make work without fail is a runstop into a throw/command throw or maybe a c.lk, but that's only if they don't mash out of it.
 
Its not about finding new resets but finding resets tailored for the opponent. Or finding a reset that if you read the opponent you atleast have another counter measure.

Cause at the end of the day. A reset has a risk and requires a read
 
I only use run stop resets, air grabs, and random command throws.
Hey @zeknife wanna tell her if that works? We played so many rounds against each other and I never ever change my resets, surely you avoid/guard everything, right?
Wow, somehow I still manage to take rounds, solobella is surely completely OP.

Joking aside :
c.mk run stop into low/cross down low/airgrab/j.lp/s.lk/guard wait command grab, instant j.hp and c.lk/grab/guard after run stops at random points or after restands are all you need.
Add an assist call or something if you want to "have another counter measure", you lazy teamplayer.

"Advanced" (I should say "gimmicky") bella resets either have an easy wait out, or can be blocked 100% when the opponent knows the setup. They won't help you. You'll win a few rounds because the opponent goes "wtf?!", and then you'll get blocked or nope'd out by a super every time.
If you don't want to read your opponent, I don't know, go play filia and throw a D6 everytime you have to reset.


Don't write poems when you can't read.
 
oh god i suck someone please stomp me in a long-ass set and teach me stuff
 
i'd be willing to play
want to talk as we play since i got my mic and it seems to be more comforting than playing without talking with the person. it worked for gllt so i hope it does the same?
 
Dreamepitaph said:
i'd be willing to play
want to talk as we play since i got my mic and it seems to be more comforting than playing without talking with the person. it worked for gllt so i hope it does the same?

yeah, i'll try to play you this weekend. is that okay?
 
that's fine; probably have time to do one stream until you get home.
 
i didn't get to fight twerk, but i did get to fight fenster, and he gave me some advice that i really apprectiate.

-- don't give up on a strategy that doesn't work once

more j.hk jump-ins would help, probably.
also, i think i'm in love with robo fortune, and i kinda enjoy playing her way more than eliza. might try to learn her???
 
team combo notes

9:06 PM - Crazy Diamond: [team combo :: 2v1] kanchou > pummel horse: 11,030 damage
9:08 PM - Crazy Diamond: [team combo :: 2v1] kanchou > devil horns: 11,579 damage
9:09 PM - Crazy Diamond: [team combo :: 2v1] kanchou > c.mk > merry-go-rilla follow-up: 12,381 damage
9:13 PM - Crazy Diamond: [team combo :: 2v1] devil horn corner combo (f.HP > devil horns/LNL low ender): 10,911 damage
9:14 PM - Crazy Diamond: [team combo :: 2v1] devil horn corner combo (c.HK > devil horns/LNL low ender): 10,443 damage
9:15 PM - Crazy Diamond: best routes --merry-go-rilla BNB / devil horn corner combo w/ s.HP starter

team combos notes II

9:30 PM - Crazy Diamond: -- PARASOUL
9:31 PM - Crazy Diamond: [team combo :: 2v1] corner combo (napalm quake ender): 9,522 damage
9:32 PM - Crazy Diamond: [team combo :: 2v1] corner combo (napalm pillar ender): 9,691 damage
9:32 PM - Crazy Diamond: [team combo :: 2v1] corner combo (napalm pillar ender > silent scope): 9,633 damage
9:34 PM - Crazy Diamond: { ONLY STYLE } [team combo :: 2v1] corner combo (s.HK > tear loops): 9,051 damage
9:37 PM - Crazy Diamond: { BURST BAIT } [team combo :: 2v1]: corner combo (s.HK > tear loops/napalm pillar > egret brigade ender): 9,420 damage
9:40 PM - Crazy Diamond: { STYLE / DAMAGE } [team combo :: 2v1] corner combo (s.HP > detonate; napalm pillar > egret brigade ender): 9,474 damage
9:47 PM - Crazy Diamond: [team combo :: 2v1]: mid-screen combo (napalm pillar > egret brigade ender): 9,428
9:48 PM - Crazy Diamond: best route -- {corner} napalm pillar ender > egret brigade // {mid-screen} napalm pillar ender > egret brigade
 
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I'm quite happy with the progress I have made on etching these combos into my mind. They do good damage, and they're pretty simple to me.
Now I just have to work on refining my neutral game and said combos.
My only problem now is that I'm growing bored of Para/Bella all the time, even in matches just for funsies. I want to try a character that I've never tried to play seriously.

valentine??

Yeah, maybe. Now that I know what button-dashing is, and know how to actually use it, her air resets might not be as difficult as I make them out to be. Who knows? I guess I'll just have to try. I just don't know a decent universal combo that has adequate damage, that's it, so I'll try to practice on it this weekend.

Just jotting down my thoughts, don't mind me.
 
Idk, my Valentine's kinda shaky.
Well, she's definitely not terrible. As least I can reset properly now that I use button-dashing.
At this point, I need to start running sets against people who also play her or have a vague idea of how she should be played, so..?
I just need to learn a consistent combo that works mid-screen, possibly universal. I have one that sorta works, but it's a bitch on lightweights and easiest on heavyweights/mid-weights. I didn't know it, but at the time I was trying to remember where I had seen it before, I realized it was part of a Duckator combo.
No wonder I suck so hard at it.
Considering setting Bella assist to Cerecopter instead of LnL for Valentine mix-ups. It would definitely make a difference in the pressure.
 
so, i am just now getting around to posting my thoughts about my playing! after a whole whopping week!
first of all, cerecopter as the assist was definitely a better option for point valentine!
valentine's definitely getting better reset-wise. the advice dragonos gave me about just getting better with resets instead of learning new ones definitely helped, so i respect him to the highest degree for that. the pressure is definitely getting better in the corner with a napalm pillar assist or cerecopter for mix-ups. if all fails, grabbing usually does the trick unless they mash out.
i don't feel that bella's getting better since she's the anchor and nowadays, i don't have to bring her out that often. i should play some matches with just solobella to make sure i don't get rusty with her or spend a lot of time in arcade/the training room.
parasoul's pretty good. could use her a bit more as well. need to continue working on napalm pressure and improve with my resets.

i played a set against nikonova, and i have no idea how to react to fukua's zoning or squigly's constant double jumping. squigly gets so high during her jumps that i can't pillar, excellebella, or use any of my usual neutral to knock her down. maybe i could super jump to fix this??
so yay, things to work on. maybe i'll try to play a set against someone this weekend.
 
Dreamepitaph said:
Play beta. Retail is useless and moot at this point.

okiedoke, will do. i need to learn how to deal with beo and robo anyway.
 
Dreamepitaph said:
I wish you luck. I'm always on beta so if you spot me then you can request games from me. I'll be sure to keep in mind if more people want to play me

i might want to play your fukua to learn the match up. can't handle her with valentine, and against a fukua of your caliber, i don't i could handle her with bella or para.
 
holy shit, i know i post in here sporadically, but i finally got around to learning an actual beta bypass combo with valentine.
i am so fucking excited, holy hell. now i just have to get good enough to put it to use.
 
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i'm liking valentine and all, but twerk and i were talking while he was showing me filia stuff (and beowulf shenanigans ensued). swear to fuck, this guy inspires me a lot and reminds me not to be such a hardass all the time.
and he reminded me of somethin' important.

play the characters that you enjoy
like
really and truly enjoy

i care about progress in this game, but i feel that i've landed on a point where i can just try and not get upset that i'm not improving.
i just want to be happy while playing at this point.

sure, i'll post about my progress and all, but for now, i just want to enjoy myself.

for now, i'm going to play some valentine and filia. i gave up on filia too soon, and i feel i should try again because i actually enjoy her. done being a tryhard for now.

time to just have fun with it.
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SecretlyEngarde said:
This guy inspires me a lot and reminds me not to be such a hardass all the time.
and he reminded me of somethin' important.

play the characters that you enjoy
like
really and truly enjoy

i care about progress in this game, but i feel that i've landed on a point where i can just try and not get upset that i'm not improving.
i just want to be happy while playing at this point.
Those words. those are all i ever wanted to convey (even though i'm bad at taking my advice at times.) Thank you for understanding what i always wanted to say to people. *bows out*
 
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oh god i have a ps3 now
y
i can say one thing i need to work on is air pressure w/ eliza? i prefer ground pokes, but her air normals are pretty good, i think???
eh
 
ihavenoneutralihavenoreads
holyshit
time to die
 
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ihaveneutralineedreads

seriously, my val and double neutral is getting much better. i'm getting to the point that the air neutral is getting annoying to other players.
bella neutral still needs work.
i throw scalpels at the beginning of round
this is a joke
 
lol i don't want to have a set team anymore
i'll just do w/e suits my mood at the time
even if i lose with them
:>
 
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i mash my d-pad so hard that i end up w/ a blood blister
and it just popped

i have no chill
fukin fite me
 
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dropped my experimental team (para/filia/bella)
got bored (as i always do)
just gonna start opening lobbies titled "i want to improve!" (improvement has no boundaries)
play solo in those matches that i want to possibly use consistently (is this a joke)
drop by and kick my ass (just like diablo did, man)
 
experimenting with eliza/double/bella
eat my ass, i swear to fuck
 
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dropping bella completely

been having a harsh vibe that i'm not meant to play her.
don't know who will take her place, but i guess i'll find out.
 
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yeah, i'm just going to focus everything on double for now.
i'll start from scratch.
 
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