Sparties's Training Diary

Discussion in 'Training Diaries' started by Sparties, Sep 1, 2014.

  1. fenster

    fenster Stop Bugging me about Avatars ;_;

    Location:
    Indianapolis, Indiana
    Steam:
    fensterSA
    Parasoul
    As who? Painwheel? Or in general?
     
  2. Sparties

    Sparties SUPERSOAKER

    in general
     
  3. Cadenza

    Cadenza Documentation Expert

    Steam:
    http://steamcommunity.com/id/moon_cadenza
    Parasoul
    Filia
    Double
    Depends on your character. and how they try to use BE

    Universal and recommended option: Get the hit on point character and snap in band to kill him.

    Fukua:
    Step 1: See beat extend
    Step 2: block it
    Step 3: Upforward + j.hk, Call assist then fireball

    Filia: same as fukua except, you can updo > gregor or neutral jump j.hk.

    Parasoul:
    Block and pray you block the next mixup or pillar.

    robo:
    Pray you can block the next mixup

    PW: prolly HG jab them and buffer c.mp

    Big band:.......Beat extend? or H brass+ assist

    List could go on. I generally just snap in band and utterly destroy him since he changes the way anyone usually fights from what i experienced.
     
  4. Fizzxwizz

    Fizzxwizz lit News Writer

    Location:
    Arizona
    Steam:
    http://steamcommunity.com/id/Fizzxwizz
    PSN:
    E_Mano
    Ms. Fortune
    Unknown
    snap in band or countercall with brass.
     
  5. Sparties

    Sparties SUPERSOAKER

    what if it's against dawnhibiki's band
     
  6. Cadenza

    Cadenza Documentation Expert

    Steam:
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    Parasoul
    Filia
    Double
    Fukua/Squigly/Band i assume?

    Now is it against his band or just the assist?
     
  7. Sparties

    Sparties SUPERSOAKER

    the assist, not the band
     
  8. Cadenza

    Cadenza Documentation Expert

    Steam:
    http://steamcommunity.com/id/moon_cadenza
    Parasoul
    Filia
    Double
    if you're bella and you just blocked BE, can't you Battle butt+ bomber or w.e the fuck and make him hold that? if so then do it.

    L shadow will get blown up. H drill will not save her, Neutral jump will get her snagged if she tried to instant j.hk
    and lastly armor grab is react-able in that instance.

    Its also difficult to know exactly what's causing you problems without footage of some sort but all of us will try our best to help.
     
  9. Sparties

    Sparties SUPERSOAKER

    i just have no way to really record it, tbh. if anyone's got some sort of super easy program for me to use that'll work on a mac that's >not< bandicam, i could give it a go.
    usually he just uses beat extend and j.hk > fireball as fukua. i typically get screwed over when i try to battle butt.
     
  10. Fizzxwizz

    Fizzxwizz lit News Writer

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    E_Mano
    Ms. Fortune
    Unknown
    I dunno friend, it seems more like you're asking how to fight dawn. I don't think any of the advice really changes when you're fighting him. I don't think his band is the strongest character on his team so if you can't punish him hard enough for calling assist snap in band do your best to get a hit on his point and snap in band.

    I'm not sure what kind of advice you can really get besides "do the thing right" without footage or asking dawn himself.
     
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  11. Sparties

    Sparties SUPERSOAKER

    i'll never know how to fight dawn, lol; i don't think he'd be too keen on informing me how to beat his team.
     
  12. Sparties

    Sparties SUPERSOAKER

    on a lighter note, i remembered my fortune corner combo that i made a few months ago and never used.

    [headless 9.6k 3v3]
    c.lk, s.mp, s.mk x2
    LNL + headbutt
    s.hk, [h] fiber
    j.mk x2, [h] gato
    delayed s.lp x2, s.mp, s.mk x2 > headbutt > c.lk, s.mp, s.mk x2, c.hk (1 hit), cat scratch, super
     
  13. BlueFeena

    BlueFeena Active Member

    Steam:
    BlueFeena
    Eliza
    I don't know which variant of beat extend you're dealing you're dealing with, whether it's L M or H would help. I discovered that a light beat extend assist whiffs at roughly 3 1/2 boxes on the training room floor. You can dash block in and cancel the dash at roughly around 4 boxes away; the opponent will likely call beat extend. When if whiffs -- and when there are no more active frames -- go after the point character. You do not want to be forced to block the beat extend if you can avoid it -- the amount of blockstun that it generates will cause your assault to stop dead in its tracks. Getting caught in the blockstun also forces you to play a wake up game, which sounds like what you are ultimately losing to. I urge you to check the whiff distance yourself just to be sure.

    You could try OpenBroadcaster. I'm using an older version for Windows, but it's highly configurable and according to the website it should work on a Macintosh.

    Edit: Whiff distance should be 2 1/2 and 3 boxes now that I'm actually in the training room and looking at the boxes themselves.
     
    Last edited: Mar 10, 2016
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  14. CaioLugon

    CaioLugon It's an alpaca Gameplay Mod

    Location:
    Brazil
    Steam:
    CaioLugon
    PSN:
    O3366-2020O
    Ms. Fortune
    Cerebella
    Big Band
    Snap, counter call or just punish the assist, if you can knock bigband down won't have the assist for a while and you'll have some more space. Also, one thing is that you have to remember that beat extend is a REALLY good assist, you're not gonna find an easy and simple way to deal with it and beat it everytime no matter what and you ARE going to have a tough time against an opponent that knows how to use it. Try to understand why you're losing to it, what led to that situation and how to avoid it in the future, the best thing about recorded sets is that you can go and see what you did wrong and WHY that was wrong. If you do get OBS (you should, it's great) record some not too long sets like ft7s and ft10s and analyse them, @Dolfinh has a great video on how to analyse your matches if you're interested (l'd link it but I'm on mobile...)
     
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  15. Sparties

    Sparties SUPERSOAKER

    what is the verdict on painwheel v.s. big band, or painwheel v.s. beowulf?

    i've learned over a few matches that if a beowulf continues to j.hp and is not using blitzer, i can just charge one of her normals and beat it out usually.
    haven't played any against a BB, but i'm sure i'll encounter one sooner or later.
     
  16. mcpeanuts

    mcpeanuts Anchor Peacock is the future

    Location:
    Massachusetts
    Steam:
    may_contain_peanuts
    Double
    Big Band
    Peacock
    I think Painwheel beats Big Band. Painwheel's j.MP is a big problem; Big Band can't L Beat Extend against it because j.MP is too active and always hits the 2 vulnerable startup frames, he can't use other versions of Beat Extend because they whiff, and he can't A-Train because the multiple hits on j.MP breaks the armor. I think Double beats Big Band for basically the same reason, she has that same button.

    No clue who wins between Painwheel and Beowulf, I don't play those characters. I think Sage and Sonic said it's even.
     
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  17. gllt

    gllt Dedicated

    Steam:
    gllt
    Valentine
    Cerebella
    Big Band
    You armor Beowulf but then he doesn't have the chair and oh snap hitgrabs oh noooo
     
  18. Sparties

    Sparties SUPERSOAKER

    and then i will drink myself into a stupor as i watch my painwheel get destroyed yes
     
  19. Sparties

    Sparties SUPERSOAKER

    so i kinda combined the two painwheel combos in the videos on the last page and made a universal combo using LNL in the corner
    it's actually stupid, but on a 3v3, it does 13.9k
    3v2, it does 9.2k
    and 3v1, which i know isn't really used in measuring damage or w/e, is 9.2k
    wOWIE
     
  20. Sparties

    Sparties SUPERSOAKER

    trying out filia/bella/double again, yayayay
    in other news, i saw a peacock tutorial with an "advanced" combo that ended in j.hp with no follow-up whatsoever
    what is advanced
    what is airdash
    i'm 11
     
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  21. fenster

    fenster Stop Bugging me about Avatars ;_;

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    Parasoul
    What, show me this combo

    edit: pls
     
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  22. Sparties

    Sparties SUPERSOAKER

  23. Sparties

    Sparties SUPERSOAKER

  24. Sparties

    Sparties SUPERSOAKER

    fooling around with bella/robo/double, made/modified a combo that i might have seen a thousand eons ago and just remembered it.

    3v3; one bar -- 11.3k w/ robo s.hp assist ~ 11.9k w/ m. bomber; point bella (open)
    c.lk, c.mk, titan knuckle
    assist call
    titan knuckle, excellebella
    otg, c.lk, c.mk, j.mp, j.hk restand
    s.mp stagger, j.hp glide
    delayed s.lp x2, c.mk, titan knuckle, cerecopter [or] excellebella > dynamo


    it's not much, but it's a step up from my last team synergy combo.
     
  25. Sparties

    Sparties SUPERSOAKER

    team suggestions again? up to anything w/o beo.
    here's your payment
     
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  26. Magma442

    Magma442 Get ready for a Showstopper!

    Location:
    Medici Tower.
    Steam:
    Magma442
    PSN:
    Magma442
    Cerebella
    Beouwlf/big band.

    Test yourself to see if you can achieve the level of true scrub.
     
  27. Cadenza

    Cadenza Documentation Expert

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    Parasoul
    Filia
    Double
    Ah yes. Reading.

    Try out PW/fortune/Double
     
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  28. Magma442

    Magma442 Get ready for a Showstopper!

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    Medici Tower.
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    Magma442
    PSN:
    Magma442
    Cerebella
    No but seriously how about PW/Val/Bella.
     
  29. Sparties

    Sparties SUPERSOAKER

    ehhh, i don't feel comfortable w/ val as my secondary.

    what assist with fortune, h. fiber?
     
  30. Sparties

    Sparties SUPERSOAKER

    how's the squigly v.s. eliza match-up look for squigs? bad or good?
     
  31. gllt

    gllt Dedicated

    Steam:
    gllt
    Valentine
    Cerebella
    Big Band
    This probably sounds stupid but I think Squigly has the right standing jab for that matchup. Fuck your jHP girl lmao get ANTI AIRED
    Squigly also has good range on both her throws and that's pretty important vs Eliza too, IMO
    And you have good tools for comboing off otg (and therefore snap) and a hitgrab super (fuck the skeleton)

    But there's way more to the matchup than any of this, yeah?
     
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  32. Sparties

    Sparties SUPERSOAKER

    i'm so bored of all these teams ;____;7
     
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  33. Sinclair

    Sinclair smug

    Location:
    Europe
    Eliza
    Double
    do my team!! Valentine and Robo fortune gets really interesting..u can do some crazy stuff with that H bypass assist and H beam.

    You can actually reset during your lvl 3 with H beam..but you have to time it well. I'll see if I can do it today so i know if it's still a thing lmao.
    Basically, a few frames before Val jumps into the air (During either Mortuary drop or LVL3 ) H beam will lock on to you and reset the combo counter. but u have to be very precise.

    Also, S.HP with R.Fortune and Bypass assist gets interesting. :o
    Show Spoiler
    AND the headmines, H bypass basically throws your opponent towards you, and when it hits the mine you can do magnet.
    (pls play my team i luv u..)


    Robo fortune is so much fun
     
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  34. fenster

    fenster Stop Bugging me about Avatars ;_;

    Location:
    Indianapolis, Indiana
    Steam:
    fensterSA
    Parasoul
    Play solos IMO
     
  35. Sinclair

    Sinclair smug

    Location:
    Europe
    Eliza
    Double
    HEY SPARTIES PLAY SOLO BIG BAND :^)
     
  36. Sparties

    Sparties SUPERSOAKER

    I love you too, Sinclair. ;-;7

    Also, ye, I might try to solo.
     
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  37. Sparties

    Sparties SUPERSOAKER

    Working with Pea/Bella/Double.

    Quick video so I can remember this combo. Haven't tested it on everyone; it'll require tweaking against Double to properly get her in the air.

     
  38. Sparties

    Sparties SUPERSOAKER

    Annnnd another one with Bella/Eliza/Double.
    Show Spoiler


     
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2016
  39. Sparties

    Sparties SUPERSOAKER

    "How's your Peacock/Bella/Double team going?"
    Show Spoiler
    [​IMG]

    "It's okay."
     
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  40. mcpeanuts

    mcpeanuts Anchor Peacock is the future

    Location:
    Massachusetts
    Steam:
    may_contain_peanuts
    Double
    Big Band
    Peacock
    I think it might be more damage to do item drop instead of L George in the first chain. Also this is 3 bars :^)
     

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