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Beowulf SPOILERS - Beowulf Story Mode and Other Lore

Edit: and now a question arose within myself, are those real shades or are they made out of her own mass?
I assume its like everything else with double, the clothes morph with her body. Thats like asking if her luger is part of her or not.
 
I assume its like everything else with double, the clothes morph with her body. Thats like asking if her luger is part of her or not.
Yeah i guess it's part of her, but i was asking because she's wearing one of Stanley's tooth as a necklace so i was thinking that maybe the shades are real just like the tooth, maybe the shades she takes off are the real ones and the ones under those are the ones made from her cells.
 
Do you think Stanley's gonna want his tooth back? I mean he can grow a new one cause hes a shark but would he still want a necklace made with his own teeth?

Or is double just gonna have a shark tooth necklace under her nun robes from now on?
 
Do you think Stanley's gonna want his tooth back? I mean he can grow a new one cause hes a shark but would he still want a necklace made with his own teeth?
Don't sharks lose and regrow teeth all the time?
 
Don't sharks lose and regrow teeth all the time?
Sharks have multiple rows of teeth, with the front row being their main set. When one falls out, the tooth behind that one moves forward to take it's place. It's actually cool you pointed that out, as it made me notice how Stanley has multiple sets of teeth as well just like a real shark! Sometimes I forget just how much attention to detail this game goes into for all the character designs and animations (which is to no surprise considering how many references people have found with Robo-Fortune already)!
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I don't know much about the Beowulf epic poem or wrestling, so a lot of that is lost on me (though I got that awesome "Food for the dragon" line by Double). But as someone who studied Ancient Egypt, Eliza just blew me away! I don't want to go off topic but is there a thread that talks about character references and the like? Part of the fun with Beowulf for me was learning about what he references (don't get me wrong though I enjoyed learning about his own individuality just as much).
 
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Really enjoyed Wulf's story. Question: What's the story on his opening pre-fight animation where he rips through the screen with two concerned-looking people behind him? Just curious. The answer might be somewhere in these 53 pages, but you know...
 
Question: What's the story on his opening pre-fight animation where he rips through the screen with two concerned-looking people behind him?
It's a joke to the fact that skullgirls itself seems like a show with an announcer and whatnot.
The two concerned-looking people are actually a cycle of labzero staff c:
 
It's a joke to the fact that skullgirls itself seems like a show with an announcer and whatnot.
The two concerned-looking people are actually a cycle of labzero staff c:
Cool, I had a feeling they might be people that worked on the game. Thanks.
 
I made a couple of images a while ago with all the different cycles Beowulf's intro can have (which is probably good that I post them to double check if I have matched up the Staff members names correctly):
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Back to Beowulf's Story Mode, how literal do you think the fight is with 'Grendel' at the end? I thought it was more of a spiritual thing when Grendel appears (like is his voice/appearance being all inside Beowulf's head), but by beating Marie-Grendel it would have still been the equivalent of wrestling him at his prime. Valentine said a person would never stand a chance against a gigan at full strength though, so I'm not sure if the fight at the end was intended as a 'weakened version' of him or something.
 
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Back to Beowulf's Story Mode, how literal do you think the fight is with 'Grendel' at the end? I thought it was more of a spiritual thing when Grendel appears (like is his voice/appearance being all inside Beowulf's head), but by beating Marie-Grendel it would have still been the equivalent of wrestling him at his prime. Valentine said a person would never stand a chance against a gigan at full strength though, so I'm not sure if the fight at the end was intended as a 'weakened version' of him or something.
Based on my talks with Alex about the story, I'm fairly certain it was 100% literal, with Grendel's spirit actively taking part in that fight. Sure, Valentine asserts that Beowulf wouldn't have stood a chance, but she's kind of a bitch, and her whole thing is talking down to people and generally being a sexy jerk. Past that, the climax of the story makes it clear that he actually does have it in him, if he digs deep.

It's best not to get too deep into a, "power levels," categorization. After beating surprise tag team treachery with the help of Annie, Beowulf fought Marie/Grendel in a one-on-one wrestling match, and won, proving his own legend true.

Maybe he'd lose that fight 9 times out of 10 times in a simulation, who can really say? He won when it mattered.
 
ehh atleast there's batwulf, cerequinn and parasoul ivy still :P
sorry for the shitty puns
 
Valentine said a person would never stand a chance against a gigan at full strength though, so I'm not sure if the fight at the end was intended as a 'weakened version' of him or something.
Valentine's a weak-ass hater.
Maybe he'd lose that fight 9 times out of 10 times in a simulation, who can really say? He won when it mattered.
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100x THIS
 
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Probably not. I don't think most humans can hence why it was such a Morale boost during the war (even though he was drugged).
 
Filia (with Samson), Cerebella (With Vice-Versa), Peacock, Big Band, Ms Fortune, Eliza, Parasoul (With her army), Squigly, Robo Fortune, and Painwheel are most likely the most 'normal' (or at least as close as you can get) humans that can beat a gigan.
 
... the climax of the story makes it clear that he actually does have it in him, if he digs deep.
Maybe he'd lose that fight 9 times out of 10 times in a simulation, who can really say? He won when it mattered.
We covered this, lol. It's like in an action movie, where you look at the entire thing and say, "wait, could he have actually killed like, all 5,000 of those bad guys without getting himself killed?" Yeah, he could. In that particular story :P
 
I always hated the when people say, "You can do it if you just believe in yourself"

That's not enough, of course you have to put in time and effort and find the power to be able to win. You can't just believe in yourself. However, you do have to believe in yourself. Determination is a prerequisite to success, not a guarantee, but even a hint of doubt will guarantee your failure. I think that's how Beowulf really stands out. The idea that he could ever lose never crosses his mind, and that alone gives him a lot of power, added to his already incredible strength and skill. While everyone else has parasites, special powers, and deadly weapons, Beowulf has that very unique ability of refusing to lose, and knowing what it takes to win.

That's why there's no doubt in my mind that even if Grendel had not been drugged, Beowulf would still have won.
 
I always hated the when people say, "You can do it if you just believe in yourself"

That's not enough, of course you have to put in time and effort and find the power to be able to win. You can't just believe in yourself. However, you do have to believe in yourself. Determination is a prerequisite to success, not a guarantee, but even a hint of doubt will guarantee your failure. I think that's how Beowulf really stands out. The idea that he could ever lose never crosses his mind, and that alone gives him a lot of power, added to his already incredible strength and skill. While everyone else has parasites, special powers, and deadly weapons, Beowulf has that very unique ability of refusing to lose, and knowing what it takes to win.

That's why there's no doubt in my mind that even if Grendel had not been drugged, Beowulf would still have won.

Your point brings up why I think Beowulf Would've lost. Say what you will but you cannot deny Beowulf had an overflated ego around the time of the match. He never had to find his true power because he always thought he had it.

Now take the 'Ghost Gigan' fight it proves Beowulf can defeat a gigan but like Zen said he had to find the true power in himself he came back stronger after being defeated internally he owed it to his partner, as a result he realized his weakness and pushed pass them in order to defeat the Gigan. Beowulf had to find his internal power to truly be in a marching band a hero.

TL;DR: Beowulf didn't always have the power inside him so his orginal fight he would've lost BUT since he fought a possibly stronger Ghost Gigian he found the power within himself.
 
Well I mean he still, like, ripped Grendel's arm off with his bare hands.
 
It's not really physical strength it more of would a Gigan rip him in half or would the Gigan be too baked to do anything.
 
Say what you will but you cannot deny Beowulf had an overflated ego around the time of the match.
Actually I can deny that, there's nothing in the story mode to suggest that Beowulf was any different now than he was during his match against Grendel, there was no dialogue that painted him as someone who undeservedly thought highly of himself. You can argue that "well then I guess he's always egotistical", but that only makes sense if you're looking at him with a pessimistic predisposition. You know who really has an over-inflated ego? Eliza.
like Zen said he had to find the true power in himself he came back stronger after being defeated internally he owed it to his partner
I never said this. At no point did I say that "Beowulf had to find true power inside himself and he became stronger after being defeated internally." You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. The point I'm trying to make is that Beowulf was always strong enough to defeat Grendel. He owes that strength to his own training and determination, and by the end I believe he's even stronger, at least in character.
Beowulf didn't always have the power inside him so his orginal fight he would've lost BUT since he fought a possibly stronger Ghost Gigian he found the power within himself.
The theme of his story mode isn't that "Defeat can make you stronger by helping you realize your own weakness, and that only after that can you push through overwhelming odds." That's a cliché reserved for underdog stories. As @Kai said a while ago, the real theme of the story is, "A true hero is always a hero, no matter what" and that "Nothing can extinguish the flame of a fighter who refuses to give up." Of course, this truth runs parallel once again with a story about fighters. When it was revealed to the public years later that Grendel was drugged, Beowulf decided to defeat the Skullgirl and prove that he always had the stuff, that he was always a hero. Beowulf may have been cheated, the fight may have been rigged, but Beowulf was never defeated, nether in the ring or in himself. That's the thing, Heroes never really lose. The idea that Beowulf would have lost against Grendel at his peak erases this lesson.
 
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I think you like Beowulf a little too much. your basically saying beowulf is perfect which he isn't.
 
I think you like Beowulf a little too much. your basically saying beowulf is perfect which he isn't.
Way to completely ignore everything I said.
 
I think you like Beowulf a little too much. your basically saying beowulf is perfect which he isn't.
Did you actually read what he wrote?
 
Didn't Beo also defeat Grendel's mother when she went into a rage? i'm sure he's capable of amazing feats like when he ripped Grendel's arm off from the skullgirl, it's exactly for that kind of potential that Double used him to get rid of other obstacles.
 
I'm still not sold on the "he was always strong enough" though. A Gogan is not easy to take down if he could take down a Gigan why did they need to drug him. But anyway I say Bepwulf was defeated ineternally because he did retire after that match and went out with a so called wimper but Beowulf decided to come back stronger then before after realizing retirement is no way to live.

I might see Beowulfs character and story message different then you guys so I'm sorry then.
 
I'm still not sold on the "he was always strong enough" though. A Gogan is not easy to take down if he could take down a Gigan why did they need to drug him. But anyway I say Bepwulf was defeated ineternally because he did retire after that match and went out with a so called wimper but Beowulf decided to come back stronger then before after realizing retirement is no way to live.

I might see Beowulfs character and story message different then you guys so I'm sorry then.
So, a few things:
  • Grendel was drugged to make sure Beowulf won. This was done without his knowledge, so when he took the fight, he believed he could win.
  • For it to even really work as a propaganda event, most people would have to believe it was at least possible.
  • I think you're severely over-analyzing the drugging bit. If it's like any of the thousands of times it's been done in other boxing/fighting movies, it was enough to make Grendel feel fatigued and off his game, not turn him into a zombie.
  • Beowulf didn't retire after the match. As is said in his story mode, he kept going, eventually declining in popularity after the war ended (thus diminishing Wulfamania), and fading from the spotlight after he stopped wrestling.
To me, it's really a simple story, maybe one of the simplest in the entire cast. It's just a combination of a bunch of different sports movies, seen through the lens of Skullgirls.
 
A Gogan is not easy to take down if he could take down a Gigan why did they need to drug him.
They (The Canopian Government & The Medici Mafia) felt the need to drug Grendel because they're naysayers who doubted that anyone could beat him. Of course a Gigan is tough to take down, that's why Beowulf was going to do it. The Government however didn't want to take any risks so they rigged the match.

It's kind of ironic really. How could they hope to win the war if they didn't even believe in their own citizens?
But anyway I say Bepwulf was defeated ineternally because he did retire after that match and went out with a so called wimper but Beowulf decided to come back stronger then before after realizing retirement is no way to live.
Beowulf's career was founded on the patriotism born from the Grand War. After it ended with no clear winner, that patriotism that fueled his career was gone, so he had no choice but to pursue other lines of work. HE didn't go out with a wimper, his CAREER did, NOT of his own volition. Beowulf said it himself at the very beginning of the story mode, "I still got the howl, and the noise complaints to prove it."