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Team Building Guide help - Synergy Tier Lists

Discussion in 'Gameplay General' started by KhaosMuffins, Apr 2, 2021.

  1. KhaosMuffins

    KhaosMuffins Washed and Bougie

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    Ms. Fortune
    Eliza
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    I'm working on editing the Skullgirls Team Building guide, and one thing I want to do is list the synergy between characters. I made a template to get a view on the relationships from a one-sided perspective, and I need one for each character.

    This is caring only for how X character likes Y characters as a partner, not the other way around. But I'm getting one for every character, so it works out.

    Things to consider for (one-sided) synergy:
    • Does this character provide good assists or DHCs?
    • If I'm a character that likes to spend meter, does this partner operate as a good battery? (I can only imagine this will be used for Fortune and maybe Beowulf)
    • You guys will ultimately know what your characters want better than I do, so think of any considerations I missed.

    Things that I'm not considering for the lists, but will still be mentioned in character sections:
    • Do these characters compete for positions on a team?
    • Are both characters meter hungry?
    • Can this partner deal well with this character's bad matchups?
    • Is this shell good as a duo or incomplete?
    • Does this shell limit your options for a third character, or do they go well with any third?

    If you think that some of the factors from the second list should go into the first, I am down for that as I can already see fair arguments for some.
    As for the things on the second list, I'll ask for help on that later after I fill out and clean things up a bit more in the guide.

    Would prefer that you discuss these with others (in this thread or the Maincord channels) so I don't get 5 lists for one character. Seems like people are mainly sticking to Discord for these talks, but things also get buried quickly so feel free to also use this thread if you have any breakthroughs or whatnot.

    The template: https://tiermaker.com/create/skullgirls-synergy-tier-list-one-sided-896913
    Don't worry too much about placing Annie since she's new and still being adjusted.

    The Squigly and Valentine channels in Maincord already had lists pinned to use as examples.
    Squigly: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/269229958809911306/771770984771354624/my-image3.png
    Valentine: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/269230010727006208/766294906171162674/image0.png

    The Brazilian Skullgirls community also has an excellent spreadsheet of character synergies to compare notes between communities.
    Skullgirls Brasil - Planilha de Informações - Google Sheets
     
    Last edited: Apr 3, 2021
  2. Stuff

    Stuff Lore Master Lord of Lore

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    Painwheel
    Robo Fortune
    Ms. Fortune
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    Big Band: Best assists in the game, best damage output in the game, only con is no safe dhc from band but it hardly matters
    Double: Best assists in the game, great damage output, has safe dhc
    Most pw players use those two in some capacity.
    Robo: Great neutral assist, anti meta, works great against meta assists, safe(ish) dhc, easy to tag out of
    Annie: great dhcs for high damage, all her assists are amazing, she's like a little band.
    Para: Good projectile for neutral, good dp if you want it, safe dhcs.
    Fukua: Honestly not sure but I think her drill and safe dhcs are pretty handy for pw
    Bella: Personally I don't think she's very useful but taluda puts in good work with copter and pw likes lockdown assists too. Damage output also good.
    Eliza: Mostly useful for spiral and also good damage from eliza point into pw install
    Fortune: She'd be lower if it wasn't for the fact that pw can actually use H Fiber, and her ability as a battery helps her be as high as she is as well.
    Squigly: Meter hungry, not very useful assists outside of dnb, has a safe dhc, potential damage dhcs?
    Peacock: L george is god but pw mostly plays in the air so it's mostly w/e for her. great battery though. Painwheel is more useful for Peacock than Peacock is for pw imo.
    Filia: Has a DP, has hairball, that's about it, nothing too useful for pw imo and she can get these two and more with anyone else above her on the tier, potential for high damage output dhcs with filia level 3.
    Beo: idk, I don't really play this guy but I feel like neither really care that much for each other, if pw is on the team, band is likely on it and it's mostly for band, not beo.
    Val: literally useless maybe some niche with h bypass but again lots of better assists out there, neither character likes each other much. only play as a lore team.

    These are hard to make 'cause I don't play pw with anyone outside of 4 characters but hey, those are my thoughts.

    Eliza could probably go to 'decent partners' but I'm not sure yet since she's a little different now
    Fukua might also just be 'decent' but idk.
     
  3. KhaosMuffins

    KhaosMuffins Washed and Bougie

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    Ms. Fortune
    Eliza
    Unknown
    I'll post some of the lists I've seen here since things get buried quickly on Discord. They're all message links so don't be frightened when Discord opens up.

    Beo (open)

    Band (open)

    Bella (open)

    Double (open)

    Eliza (open)

    Filia (open)

    Fortune (open)

    Fukua (open)

    Painwheel (open)

    Para (open)

    Peacock (open)

    Robo (open)

    Squigly (open)


    Val: I just took the list posted in the OP and grouped it into 4 categories.
     
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2021 at 9:39 PM
  4. Golbat

    Golbat Active Member

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    Ms. Fortune
    Unknown
    Unknown
    Thanks for posting, that Parasoul chart seems like the nail in the coffin for trying to make a point Parasoul team work with Fortune.
     
  5. Stuff

    Stuff Lore Master Lord of Lore

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    Painwheel
    Robo Fortune
    Ms. Fortune
    So I have to ask who even made that PW one, Fortune and PW are great partners. Painwheel is one of the few characters that can convert H fiber and actually take advantage of a DP assist that serves for spacing not only that PW is a big fan of fortune considering she builds pw all the meter she could possibly want. Fortune should at the very least be on "good partners" imo. but the bottom? I just cannot bring myself to agree.

    I feel like Fortune is often on the bottom probably based on assist or dhc which yeah they aren't great but considering fortune is mostly a point character and builds meter I think she could stand to not be at the bottom of all of these.
     
  6. KhaosMuffins

    KhaosMuffins Washed and Bougie

    Location:
    Nashville, TN
    Steam:
    KhaosMuffins
    PSN:
    KhaosMuffins
    Ms. Fortune
    Eliza
    Unknown
    Here's what the chart is looking like so far. Some channels had more synergy discussion and shared more lists, others haven't changed from the initial lists thrown out. I mostly copied the lists I saw, but I did make some adjustments from a bit of feedback (bumping Beowulf up as a partner in some spots since he had more 1's initially) and things I personally thought seemed a bit strange (largely bumping up Painwheel, sometimes Filia, sometimes even Fortune, and moving some of Peacock's "Favorites" down to "Good" since that tier felt overcrowded).
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  7. Lex

    Lex Skill pending

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    Lex
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    Valentine
    Filia
    Double
    Surprised that Val is only a 2 for Squigly given H Bypass gives Squig higher damage routes + charge + some neutral use (allows you to get fullscreen unblockable Sing Daisy if you get bypass behind the opponent) as well as giving Squigly a safe DHC (SBO Scalpels is safe on block). I don't play Squig but I've played vs Neffros a lots lol and that pairing def has more synergy for Squigly than PW or Fortune, should be bumped up to a 3 imo (fulfills the criteria at the bottom, good assists/DHCs and no conflict on position or meter use).
     

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