The Smash Bros Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Other Fighting Games' started by Nap1400, Sep 2, 2013.

  1. Nap1400

    Nap1400 must get good

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    Because every forum needs one of these.

    I really hope Ridley ends up being a playable character rather than a stage hazard. ;_;
     
  2. DDB

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  3. AceZTeller

    AceZTeller The Spooniest Bard

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    For once, I agree with you.
     
  4. Rance

    Rance YOU DIE; I GET PAID

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    bring back L cancels plx sakurai
     
  5. Nap1400

    Nap1400 must get good

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    If I'm being completely honest I always felt shield cancels were always shallow and only served to get rid of any purpose landing lag had in 64 or Melee. That's one of the few exploits I don't mind Sakurai fixing in Brawl with auto-canceling.

    Wavedashing I'd like to see again though. Modified.
     
  6. Rance

    Rance YOU DIE; I GET PAID

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    with the way air dodges work in brawl i doubt we'll ever see wave dashing again, which is fine. But L cancels basically make the whole game, air moves are important to every character and if you can't do them near the ground whats the point.
     
  7. Nap1400

    Nap1400 must get good

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    I'm not saying they should make air moves impossible to use near the ground, I'm just saying that having to do an arbitrary cancel to make the move possible to use close to the ground is stupid when the option exists to just get rid of landing lag.
     
  8. Rance

    Rance YOU DIE; I GET PAID

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    but then everyone would just do a jumping move then grab you during hitstun/blockstun like in smash64

    the l-cancle was an elegant solution but i guess he could just make landing lag shorter on the average
     
  9. Jutsei

    Jutsei Unwavering Hype

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    (geeze, let's hope we can get to all those pages like last time)

    Insanely excited for SSB 4, the amount of cool stuff in there already is blowing my mind, I just hope we can get some character reveals really really really soon. Luigi and Olimar were great, but the Ridley fans are apparently tearing each other apart at the seams since that stage screenshot.
    In? Not In? Stage Hazard? They're dying to know.
     
  10. Tiltyu

    Tiltyu That was too close!

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    i just want my non FE13 fire emblem reps

    but that's never going to happen
     
  11. Jutsei

    Jutsei Unwavering Hype

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    Yeah all things considered it's more than likely gonna be Marth, Chrom, and... ...someone else.
     
  12. Vote4Pedro

    Vote4Pedro Forever hungrier

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    Much as I like Chrom, he'd better not replace Ike or I will salt all over the place :mad:
     
  13. 80% Lean

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    A lot of people disagree with l-canceling, even in the Smash community. However, I agree with it because to me it's the equivalent to learning how to link in Street Fighter 4 or really do any complex combo in any fighting game. You need to learn the timing of l-canceling by practicing just like learning the timing of links which also makes the possibility of "dropped combos" giving the chance for the defending player to punish.

    The thing is that l-canceling timing differs depending on your attack, whether you whiff, land a successful hit, land on a hard shield (less lag), or land on a light shield (more lag) which adds to the complexity of how you need to react to the game. To be honest it kind of reminds me of the timing with pushblock guard canceling in this game because you need to practice the timing which differs depending on the properties of what the attacking player is throwing at you.

    L-canceling (or shield canceling as you incorrectly called it) is not a bug/exploit. It was intentionally programmed into the game. Wavedashing was also not a bug, but I would consider it an exploit since originally it was made to fulfill the case when a directional air dodge encounters the ground, not for mindgames, smoother movement (move to new positions to maintain combos and pressure/stage control/ledge control), and mid-attack reversals (wavedash out of shield). The metagame basically just took these mechanics to their limits to essentially create a completely different game that Sakurai didn't expect. It really shows how beautiful and elegant the game is because even after 12 years the community is still finding new things in the game even though the game doesn't even support patching! Even with this the game is still surprisingly relatively balanced, especially if you're looking around the top 8-10 characters.

    Also auto-canceling is in Melee and Brawl. Not sure if it's in 64 though. I don't know what you mean by Sakurai solving l-canceling with a feature that's in both games?

    In Smash 64 l-canceling negates all landing lag, whereas in Melee it only cuts it in half. Even with 0 landing lag l-cancels in 64 shield grabs aren't that common unless you're playing with bad players since it's solved with good spacing and pokes. You just have to properly control your jump arcs so you either don't go too deep into their shield or just go for a crossup. If anything the 0 landing lag makes it harder to shield grab people, yet in Melee shieldgrabbing enemies isn't that common in the current metagame since everyone knows how to poke well or just play Fox and Falco where you can just shine to make most of your aerials relatively safe.
     
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  14. Ndayday

    Ndayday New Member

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    First got interested in SG over at Smashboards when the EVO thing was going on so I think I'm gonna like this thread

    I don't expect Ridley to get in honestly :<
    Unless there's another interesting character I'll probably play Dedede and Link again.
     
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  15. Pheno

    Pheno Smash 4 -> Skullgirls newcomer

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    I just need Diddy to return or bring in Dixie or someone similar in play style
    Gotta love my Skiing
     
  16. AceZTeller

    AceZTeller The Spooniest Bard

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    Just a question, but what exactly happened at the smashboards?
     
  17. 80% Lean

    80% Lean 20% Machine

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    It's being DDoS'd at the moment along with a few other Smash related websites unfortunately. Luckily there's a pretty lively Smash community on reddit (http://reddit.com/r/smashbros).
     
  18. Nap1400

    Nap1400 must get good

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    Welp. Guess that goes to show how much I know my stuff about Smash. :confused:

    I do think simply decreasing landing lag overall would be a better solution than l-canceling though. The thing always felt really arbitrary.
     
  19. Jutsei

    Jutsei Unwavering Hype

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    Heads up, gents!
    Tomorrow is going to be a Pokemon-centric Nintendo Direct.
    We might get a veteran, or a brand new character.
    It's unlikely, but hey, September started, we're due for a new character, yes?
     
  20. Rellek

    Rellek #1 Pink Gold Peach Fan

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    Ooooooooooh it feels SOOOO good to be back.

    What's up ladies and gents? Back! Finally eh? Jeez. Anyways, so many screenshots I've wanted to talk to you guys about but never had the chance to because europe. So out with it, what have you guys been doing while the board was in a coma?
     
  21. Jutsei

    Jutsei Unwavering Hype

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    Freaking out about Luigi being revealed.
    Looks good.
    Also I like the fact Villager's balloons can be popped one by one
     
  22. AceZTeller

    AceZTeller The Spooniest Bard

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    [​IMG]
    Hehehehehehe

    Anyway, Yeah Rellek! It's good to finally be back! I feel like I've missed a whole lot, but then I remember that so has everyone else....
     
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  23. SunnyRei

    SunnyRei Normal Knees

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    At first I was kinda sad Viridi didn't make the cut, but Reset Bomb stage? Pretty awesome and worthwhile bonus in exchange. Can't wait to see what that will actually do to the level.

    Can't decide if I'm dreading that Pilotwings one or not though - the constantly moving stages are pretty disorienting, lol.
     
  24. Rellek

    Rellek #1 Pink Gold Peach Fan

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    Why would you freak out at the reveal of Luigi? Of course he's gonna be in lol. And it was around the release of Dream Team wasn't it? Notice a connection there? Any games coming out this month we should be aware of?
    (I'm calling that a pokemon related character is being revealed in October. 95% certainty)

    And those balloons might not function as awesomely as we hope for them to be. I imagine that each balloon absorbs a single projectile, but if a single move is within all three or two balloons, that it will pop all of them making poor villager scream down to his doom. I think that's a good way to balance that.

    ALSO! I am not well traversed in a bunch of video games. What was the stage that had Bowser and Samus charging as well as Link slashing while Kirby's in the bg? This one:
    daily35.jpg
     
  25. Nap1400

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    It was a Metroid Other M stage. Apparently it's the place that Samus fought Ridley and had that infamous scene.
     
  26. Rellek

    Rellek #1 Pink Gold Peach Fan

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    I knew it was metroid related. I'm sorry but for a moment (minus the lava) it look right at home in a dead space type environment :P Same type of setting really, minus space zombies...

    But yeah, awesome! I'm glad luigi's taunt still spikes.
     
  27. Rellek

    Rellek #1 Pink Gold Peach Fan

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    Oh yeah, sorry for a possible double post but I felt the need to respond to this in some way. I think it looks really fun. I bet it flies through various parts of the islands... What do you think? Flying into the volcano would be pretty cool :P
     
  28. Jutsei

    Jutsei Unwavering Hype

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    People are still freaking out about the Pyrosphere Stage.
    It's mostly if he's playable, a stage hazard, or a boss.
    Someone pointed out the dent in the wall in the first image is shaped like his head, so he couldn't have come out of it, though.
    So it's more than likely DURING the fight.
     
  29. Rellek

    Rellek #1 Pink Gold Peach Fan

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    It's ok man... I'll be your crying shoulder when Ridley is inevitably a stage hazard and not a character... My arms are always open.
     
  30. Jutsei

    Jutsei Unwavering Hype

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    No I don't really care either way.
    All my fav characters are already in and aren't likely to be dropped.
    I'm just saying the Ridley fans are having a tough as shit time.
     
  31. Rellek

    Rellek #1 Pink Gold Peach Fan

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    But BC(Before Coma) you were the loudest advocate for Ridley as a playable character... At least I'm pretty sure that was you... Well whatever then...

    So the possibility of Mewtwo being in is looking even better and better. Now that we have Megalutions we also have a potential final smash for him. And what a killer smash that would be.
     
  32. GHNeko

    GHNeko Hardest Community Lurker

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    NDAAYY YOU PLAY SKULLGIRLS.

    add on steam plz.
     
  33. SanoBaron

    SanoBaron Delicious chewable Hubba-Bella

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    I want some E-shop representatives for the 3DS version, like Mallo (pushmo), Patricia Wagon (Mighty Switch Force), Dillon, and maybe even Shantae (I wish)
     
  34. Jutsei

    Jutsei Unwavering Hype

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    Was I?
    I'm just saying Ridley would be boss in this game.
    I'm not nearly as a diehard supporter as some of the Ridleys on Smashboards.
    Those poor guys have been holding out on him since before Brawl.
    And now they're getting torn apart by that image.

    Either way, like I said, I don't really mind who gets added at this point, because I'll like them. All my fav characters (Wario, Mr Game & Watch) are already in. Smash can only get better.

    THough I do hope we get King K Rool.
    Or at the very least Dixie.
    Since she's in Tropical Freeze I see no reason not to.
     
  35. Ndayday

    Ndayday New Member

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    I've been caught

    The pain is too much to bear. I know it's completely impossible but mannnn
     
  36. Rellek

    Rellek #1 Pink Gold Peach Fan

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    There's gotta be Dixie in there. They've got the resources and reasons to put her in. Though there's gotta be a distinct difference between her and Diddy if she is getting in. My fav character is already in: Wii Fit Trainer.
     
  37. Jutsei

    Jutsei Unwavering Hype

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    No Smash news at the Nintendo Direct today.
    Disappointing.

    Oh well, probably saving their Pokemon Reveal for October or something
     
  38. Rellek

    Rellek #1 Pink Gold Peach Fan

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    Duh. What did you expect? It's all about pokemon right now man. No one cares about smash right now.
     
  39. Jutsei

    Jutsei Unwavering Hype

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    Perfect chance to at least show screenshots of Jigglypuff or Pokemon trainer or something
     
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  40. SanoBaron

    SanoBaron Delicious chewable Hubba-Bella

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    I know its impossible but... maybe just one... or two? Patricia and Mallo would be more than welcome in Smash! ;A;
     

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