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Time to Boycott Indiana...

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I see what he was trying to do, but yeah, the implications and loopholes it creates in regards to everyone's freedoms and discriminations it could bring make the law easily too costly to be worth passing. I hope this gets fixed soon.
 
Hi, person from Indiana here.

Mike Pence is an idiot, and our state legislature is full of idiots (see any of the stuff about them trying multiple times to seize power from Glenda Ritz), and I don't blame Gencon or any convention or organization that takes a stand against a clearly discriminatory bill.

I expect that this bill will get challenged in some Federal Court later, but for the moment, yeah, this completely sucks and I'm incredibly sad to see my state do this (then again I didn't vote for Pence soooooo).
 
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Yeesh. Legalized discrimination. Did Indiana fall into a time warp?
 
Sorry about your state @fenster ... Alot of people is going to suffer over this, which will tank it's market.. even the CEO of Salesforce had this to say on Facebook:
Today we are canceling all programs that require our customers & employees to travel to Indiana to face discrimination. "I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exhalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together." -- Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr.
 
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Dontcha just love politics, folks?

I do really see the idea of this, but in reality, it just doesn't work. I don't care what religion you worship, or if have none, DON'T bring that into the workplace unless it is part of hte workplace to start with. Doing so just opens up the doors for so many problems.
 
I can hear Westboro plotting to use this bill to their advantage and rubbing their grubby little cloven-hooves now.
 
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I'm not sure if I understood it properly. So this law allows one to refuse someone a service based on the providers "religious beliefs"?

Sigh, it's so hard to believe people like that exist...
 
It's gonna be really wonky though. Unless someone uses religious beliefs to discriminate a protected class, it's going to be hard to challenge in court. Private businesses also get the whole "right to refuse service" thing to a degree already.
 
There have been similar bills working their way through a few state legislatures recently. Oklahoma’s bill died after it was amended to require businesses to post notices that they would discriminate against a group before they would be allowed to do so, but Georgia, Wyoming, Texas, and Missouri are still considering actions that would make it easier to deny services to different groups based on the religious or personal beliefs of the provider. So, it may not just be Indiana.

I Don't think that I can go in to more detail under the new rules.
 
I guess Indiana's about to get a crash course on why this is such a bad idea, and show other states why they shouldn't continue with their bills.
 
The weird thing is, they're citing the 93 federal religious freedom act as a precedent. The primary application of that bill has been protecting native american holy sites from government expansion. It's also ruled as unconstitutional at the state level.
 
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Jimbob said:
Religion and politics go so well together.
They can sometimes. It's when you try to mix common decency and human beings that you usually start to find problems.
 
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See, like North888, I can totally understand the intentions behind this bill, but there's just no way to implement it without utter clusterfucks of abuse.

(Brace yourselves for a ludicrous and ill informed example. Please ignore my flagrant misuse of Satanists for the sake of this point)

Say for instance I'm a devout Christian and I own a cake shop. A Satanist comes in and asks for a cake to celebrate a birthday or something and wants a cake with Jesus flayed open on a pentagram. I want to refuse to make this cake because it's incredibly offensive to my beliefs, but I can't because denying that customer on religious grounds is against the law.

That kind of thing is the core reason behind the law... it also just so happens that allowing me to refuse to sell that cake also means I can refuse to serve gay customers if my religion is against that.
 
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Cellsai said:
That kind of thing is the core reason behind the law... it also just so happens that allowing me to refuse to sell that cake also means I can refuse to serve gay customers if my religion is against that.

I highly doubt that given how many times that the “plight” of florists and bakers that wish to specifically refuse service to same-sex couples has been brought up in support of these bills. The effects an anti-discrimination bill in Utah might have on those that vocally oppose equal rights for same-sex couples was also a major issue and there was a greater push for legislation like this once it became clear that SCOTUS would be ruling on same-sex marriage soon.

Thankfully, it seems that Georgia has decided to shelve their bill for the time being.

Update: Looks like Arkansas will be the next state where something like this become law. The bill was passed on the 27th and Governor Huthingson confirmed on the 28th that he would be signing it.
 
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Yeah, i saw that.

reminded me of this

 
The freedom to discriminate, whoo hoo.
I wonder how many same sex couples would have to go there for them to go broke from refusing service.
 
Everything has been moving quickly over the last few days.

The governor of Arkansas refused to sign the original HB 1228 despite an earlier promise he would do so. He then signed an amended version the next day only moments after he received it. This PDF shows the text of the amendment that supposedly “fixed” the bill but I have my doubts that the change will actually do much to prevent discrimination justified through religious doctrine or belief. It seems worth noting that the original authors were reportedly content with the changes and yet supported earlier legislation baring cities in Arkansas from creating ordinances that would forbid discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity.

Mike Pence signed an amendment to Indiana’s bill that explicitly states that the modified law can not be used to “authorize a provider to refuse to offer or provide services, facilities, use of public accommodations, goods, employment, or housing to any member or members of the general public on the basis of race, color, religion, ancestry, age, national origin, disability, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, or United States military service; establish a defense to civil action or criminal prosecution for refusal by a provider to offer or provide services, facilities, use of public accommodations, goods, employment, or housing to any member or members of the general public on the basis of race, color, religion, ancestry, age, national origin, disability, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, or United States military service; or negate any rights available under the Constitution of the 51 2015 State of Indiana.”

A GoFundMe campaign has raised $500,000 for the Indiana pizzeria that wished to refuse to sell goods if they would be used in a same-sex commitment ceremony or wedding.

PS: Im not a lawyer, this is not legal advise and all that jazz.
 
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I love this country.
 
OnyxBones said:
Mike Pence signed an amendment to Indiana’s bill that explicitly states that the modified law can not be used to “authorize a provider to refuse to offer or provide services, facilities, use of public accommodations, goods, employment, or housing to any member or members of the general public on the basis of race, color, religion, ancestry, age, national origin, disability, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, or United States military service; establish a defense to civil action or criminal prosecution for refusal by a provider to offer or provide services, facilities, use of public accommodations, goods, employment, or housing to any member or members of the general public on the basis of race, color, religion, ancestry, age, national origin, disability, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, or United States military service; or negate any rights available under the Constitution of the 51 2015 State of Indiana.”

the ironic part is that amendment to the bill in Indiana actually provided more protections to LGBT peoples now because there were none before
 
IsaVulpes said:
Religion is wrong
you forgot this
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yeah, I'm a baptist, and this bill is bullshit.
hell, I was born in Indiana. I'm ashamed a stupid law like this could be passed...
 
The thing I'm confused about is... how would they even know? How do they tell when a person is gay/trans/etc. when they enter the shop? Should gay/trans/etc. people be shopping at these places? Usually no, but they'll always be those times where it's like "Ugh I really don't like this place but I'm REALLY in a hurry and they're the only ones who can do it..." kind of thing. Like... what? I'm so confused.

Do other religions count as going against your religions? Does being an atheist count? Should women who have been divorced be denied services? Where does this start and where does this end?
 
I mean, they would know if I were to go out with my nonexistant boyfriend for example, I mean the one that was vocal was a local pizzeria, I love Pizzerias and good home made Pizza (and despite what the news says im totally having Pizza at my wedding), and not every Trans+ person has the luxury of "passing"

but in all reality discrimination is discrimination and really is unconstitutional
 
Dr.Sanity said:
The thing I'm confused about is... how would they even know? How do they tell when a person is gay/trans/etc. when they enter the shop? Should gay/trans/etc. people be shopping at these places? Usually no.

1. They are together in a touching way??? I guess, or something like holding hands.

2. Someome is stocking/ or hears them and knows they're in a relationship or close close them in away.

I also live in Indiana and homosexual. Yes, I'm *to young* to understand this so help me out here if that's a thing in this particular situtation. And anither thing, I disagree with this amendment or something. So I'm in this thread now, so yeah!11!
 
I can see so many problems coming from this bill.
I just hope many people in Indiana just ignore the bill.
this really isn't something they can enforce.
just allow to be abused.

IsaVulpes said:
Nah, I forgot this
eh, I've heard that spiel before. I still believe in my faith.
it's cool that you don't. XD I was just trying to be funny.
 
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tbh, I agree. in my defense, i was making a dumb reddit joke. my bad.
I really hope this bill will be rejected and taken down real quick.
it's also a shame since a lot of my family loves the fighting Irish, and now all this hate towards the state... or at the very least the government of said state.
 
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