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No. When half the replies are one-liners about nothing and actually keep the topic from turning into something fruitful, they go.

It's not like I didn't think they were funny, but they don't actually do anything for the topic. I deleted my own shit too. It happens!

(Alternatively, you can shitpost harder so discussions don't happen that are real so we can lock the thread faster!)
(Alternatively, take screenshots next time. Shift+F2, "screenshot --fullpage" in Firefox does this for you)

That being said, please keep up with the discussion, I love y'all in a way that is entirely platonic and ensures no sexual advancement.
You deleted a bunch of posts I liked and left a lot of posts I thought were really boring. Whatever you think you're accomplishing by deleting posts, it's not making the forums more interesting to read, at least not to me. And I know there are other people who feel the same way. A lot of people who I personally like and whose content I enjoy have left the forums specifically due to issues with the moderation. I keep having discussions with people, as recently as last night, where they'll say something like "man I regret posting on Skullheart, that wasn't a good idea." I'd like to have a place to talk with people who play Skullgirls competitively but I feel like I can't do that here when conversations frequently get erased. I don't want to have to create an offsite forum and further divide the already small community we have, but I'm starting to not see an alternative.
 
I'll talk to moderation about it. I do realize moderation is pretty tight around these parts. There's a lot of viewpoint here to worry about, as well, but when half the shit is just treating what is actually turning into discussion into piss, then what's the difference between this, IRC and stream chat?

I'll give you this thread and return all the posts back to normal, but I promise not much else if the thread turns into a shitpile!
 
You deleted a bunch of posts I liked and left a lot of posts I thought were really boring. Whatever you think you're accomplishing by deleting posts, it's not making the forums more interesting to read, at least not to me. And I know there are other people who feel the same way. A lot of people who I personally like and whose content I enjoy have left the forums specifically due to issues with the moderation. I keep having discussions with people, as recently as last night, where they'll say something like "man I regret posting on Skullheart, that wasn't a good idea." I'd like to have a place to talk with people who play Skullgirls competitively but I feel like I can't do that here when conversations frequently get erased. I don't want to have to create an offsite forum and further divide the already small community we have, but I'm starting to not see an alternative.
Firstly, I had nothing to do with deleting posts here (EDIT: referring to the original thread these posts were in). I might be able to shed some light on the moderation thing, though.

If you go back in time to SH v1 and v2, everything was pretty chill. As soon as we migrated to skullgirls.com after the long downtime, though, people started acting differently, shitposting and abusing each other a lot more. The number of users logging into the forums and posts they made were steadily dropping. I suspect that part of the reason for that is that there's no point putting effort into a site if you think it will just go down again in another month. Whatever the reason, it happened.

Fast forward to about 6 months ago and we were hearing the same complaint everywhere we went: "There's no point posting there, nobody actually talks about the game. They're more interested in talking shit and posting memes". We tried a number of things to get this under control, eventually even begging people to not deliberately derail threads if there was something actually worthy of game-related discussion in there. None of it worked, in fact the more we tried to stop it the worse it got. That's why in March we eventually decided that things needed to change, and so we updated the forum rules (news post) and started policing derailment in a much more deliberate way. There were complaints but that was to be expected and the user stats started to recover, which I accepted as confirmation that things were improving. At least people could talk about combos and matchups now.

And that brings us to today. I know I can speak for all the mods when I say that we don't want to stop people from talking about whatever they want. So far, the only threads we've been deleting content from (aside from stuff that would be deleted any way for being offensive/spam/etc.) have been those that are for somewhat-serious discussion about the game and have devolved into one-line jokes. At least, that's the rule of thumb I use.

None of us are trying to dictate down to people what they should have threads about, we're just trying enforcing the rules we've got because it's currently the system that works and for the most part people aren't complaining. We've tried the approach of not interfering with threads unless they were reported - and believe me that would drastically reduce our workload - but it hasn't worked. Is it possible we're being too harsh? Sure. But we're in a bind where moderating threads gets complaints and not moderating threads... gets complaints.

This site is for you all. If you want something different, feel free to make a suggestion or tell us how we can do better. I've never just ignored a PM or a post asking for something about the forums (sometimes features aren't possible, but I'd at least give an explanation why), but those messages are very few and far between. If I'm hearing nothing, I can only assume that people are happy. If I get suggestions/complaints, I'm more than happy to do what I can to improve the site.
 
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Vad, thanks for taking the time to respond to my post. I'm not gonna quote your whole post because it's huge but basically here is my whole deal:
So far, the only threads we've been deleting content from (aside from stuff that would be deleted any way for being offensive/spam/etc.) have been those that are for somewhat-serious discussion about the game and have devolved into one-line jokes. At least, that's the rule of thumb I use.
I have two issues with this.

First off, the scenario you're describing - where everyone is making one line jokes and no one is having any serious discussion - had not happened in this thread at the point where posts started getting deleted. I can appreciate the hypothetical scenario where there are so many people shitposting that it's impossible for anyone to have any kind of serious discussion. However, given how few posters there are on this forum, and even fewer who post in the gameplay related forums, you don't get the situation where people who want to have a serious discussion can't do so because of a billion people posting dumb meme shit. That wasn't happening in this thread, and it wasn't happening in any other threads where I complained about posts getting deleted.

Second off, even if a thread was just jokes, I am actually kind of partial to jokes? Again I can appreciate that you want people talking about gameplay in the gameplay forums, but as a reader of forums the thing I want is good posts. People enjoy jokes and you start seeing jokes in these threads because there isn't really another place on Skullheart for the jokes to go. Like you can say "well that should go in off topic" but I don't really want to go into off topic; I wanna talk about Skullgirls gameplay just not always in a super serious fashion.
 
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First off, the scenario you're describing - where everyone is making one line jokes and no one is having any serious discussion - had not happened in this thread at the point where posts started getting deleted. I can appreciate the hypothetical scenario where there are so many people shitposting that it's impossible for anyone to have any kind of serious discussion. However, given how few posters there are on this forum, and even fewer who post in the gameplay related forums, you don't get the situation where people who want to have a serious discussion can't do so because of a billion people posting dumb meme shit. That wasn't happening in this thread, and it wasn't happening in any other threads where I complained about posts getting deleted.
I see your point here. I can't comment on this thread because I arrived after Midiman restored it. From a quick look at the first few pages, there isn't much that I would have removed. The mods don't permadelete posts unless it's clearly spam, so you should always be able to get them back if you can convince the mod that they've gone too far (which happened here), and do let us know if that's the case. We've got a huge long thread in the mod-only section of the site where we talk about threads that need to be dealt with, but even then most stuff doesn't get discussed between us because then the thread would be even huge-er so it's left up to personal judgement and mistakes get made. I'll be talking with all the mods to try to decide what should get deleted and what shouldn't, and hopefully we can find a suitable middle-ground.

Second off, even if a thread was just jokes, I am actually kind of partial to jokes? Again I can appreciate that you want people talking about gameplay in the gameplay forums, but as a reader of forums the thing I want is good posts. People enjoy jokes and you start seeing jokes in these threads because there isn't really another place on Skullheart for the jokes to go. Like you can say "well that should go in off topic" but I don't really want to go into off topic; I wanna talk about Skullgirls gameplay just not always in a super serious fashion.
I agree, especially that you shouldn't have to go to a completely different part of the forum just to make a joke. The real problem is that as mods we need to be consistent somehow. Assuming that you agree that a) there's no place for cat gifs in the valentine combo thread and that b) there should be threads that we moderate in a far more relaxed manner, how would you want us to manage the distinction? Would you want us to have certain threads in each section that the mods just don't deal with unless it gets offensive, and rule everything else like now? Would you rather have all of the character sub-boards policed heavily but Gameplay General be more relaxed? Or something else?

ALSO: Just a heads up that I'll move these posts to another thread in bit.
 
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I see your point here. I can't comment on this thread because I arrived after Midiman restored it. From a quick look at the first few pages, there isn't much that I would have removed. The mods don't permadelete posts unless it's clearly spam, so you should always be able to get them back if you can convince the mod that they've gone too far (which happened here), and do let us know if that's the case. We've got a huge long thread in the mod-only section of the site where we talk about threads that need to be dealt with, but even then most stuff doesn't get discussed between us because then the thread would be even huge-er so it's left up to personal judgement and mistakes get made. I'll be talking with all the mods to try to decide what should get deleted and what shouldn't, and hopefully we can find a suitable middle-ground.
This works for me.

I agree, especially that you shouldn't have to go to a completely different part of the forum just to make a joke. The real problem is that as mods we need to be consistent somehow. Assuming that you agree that a) there's no place for cat gifs in the valentine combo thread and that b) there should be threads that we moderate in a far more relaxed manner, how would you want us to manage the distinction? Would you want us to have certain threads in each section that the mods just don't deal with unless it gets offensive, and rule everything else like now? Would you rather have all of the character sub-boards policed heavily but Gameplay General be more relaxed? Or something else?
I think having one thread in Gameplay that isn't moderated as heavily could work. I don't know if you even need to have one such thread for every subforum, you could try having one thread in gameplay general and see if that works. I think the combination of

1. Occasional off topic posts and funny joaks are allowed in gameplay threads as long as they aren't overwhelming serious discussion, and

2. One specific thread where it's okay to make gameplay related but less serious posts (the OP of this thread being a good example)

would be enough to placate me.

ALSO: Just a heads up that I'll move these posts to another thread in bit.
That's fine, I was thinking the same thing.
 
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@Vadsamoht Here's what I want: a Technical Gameplay Discussion board. Rules:
- A post must contain more than just a joke.
- No image or video response jokes.
- No complaining. No mentioning that something is broken and Mike needs to fix it.
I'm sick of this community not having the word "adapt" in its vocabulary. I want to talk about defensive options against Filia, not that her rushdown needs to be nerfed.

I.E. If somebody complains that something is OP, then someone WILL post a facepalm macro, or something similar, and that is a fine form of expression since it's obvious from the original post this thread wasn't going to be super serious. It would hence be in the more relaxed general gameplay board.
 
Ok, new thread. I'm not going to act on this stuff straight away because I want to get as many opinions as possible and I need to make sure that the mods are all on board with whatever is decided.

Also, post from @Skarmand that I couldn't move because it was mostly related to the other thread:
What if the OP can select a level of seriousness for the thread, and moderators have to respect that decision even if it's in the gameplay section.
For people who are wanting a serious discussion of match ups without shit posting or "lol this thread myy sididesxxXXDDD11!" (Which happened in this thread 4 separate times because apparently game play discussion and discussion of mix ups is hilarious) they can just select serious mode.
 
- No complaining. No mentioning that something is broken and Mike needs to fix it.
Problem is, for a lot of relatively new players this is how they start out before they get 'git gud' drilled into them. If this was a thing, the people posting semi-regularly would need to take it on themselves to inform the players who are just frustrated while laughing at the trolls. If you're upset enough about something in a game that you've made an account on their site to complain about it (however valid that complaint may be), you're probably not in a frame of mind where having mocking images posted in response is going to help.
 
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What if the OP can select a level of seriousness for the thread, and moderators have to respect that decision even if it's in the gameplay section.
For people who are wanting a serious discussion of match ups without shit posting or "lol this thread myy sididesxxXXDDD11!" (Which happened in this thread 4 separate times because apparently game play discussion and discussion of mix ups is hilarious) they can just select serious mode.

Is it possible to have tags for thread OP's to designate? I used to go on Smogon's Forums quite a bit (don't make my mistake) and for a certain period, their off topic board they had a "Serious" tag an OP could designate or could probably even be added retroactively if needed. It was understood that those threads wouldn't allow joke responses and that threads without it would be more lax. It was really to make sure threads about religion or a sensitive issue were kept in good taste, but maybe its applicable here.

I'm not sure how many sub forums on Skullheart would need that designation or how hard it is to add that functionality to Xenforo but maybe that's a possible solution.
 
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I'm not sure how many sub forums on Skullheart would need that designation or how hard it is to add that functionality to Xenforo but maybe that's a possible solution.
There are tags for Europe/USA in the "Local Tournament" stuff, so I figure it's not too hard.
I am not sure whether this is necessary, though.

Will write smth later too lazy right now
 
That's doable. In fact we've already got that in some sections - try going into the regional matchmaking subforum and make a new thread there - you should be able to select a tag for your region that appears next to the thread title. (can someone check this, I hope it's not mod-only)

EDIT: NinjaFoxGod
 
Just feel like adding a tiny bit to the discussion.

There's a lot of people that are afraid to post on Skullheart. When I was a mod, for the short time I was, several people expressed to me how hesitant they were to even post because they weren't sure what was and wasn't acceptable and didn't want to get in trouble/get their post deleted. I am of the opinion that people should be allowed to act how they want to act and have the discussions they want to have, and posts/threads should only be dealt with if they are personally volatile or directly disrupting other people who are actively trying to have a discussion.

Example 'should be moded' posts: "You suck at video games, eat a dick!", "Hey guys, I know you're talking about combos, but here's some art from my blog!", "You're a spammer who has no friends and is also fat with a hairy neck!", and "No I will not stop disrupting the thread, even though I've been asked to bring this discussion elsewhere several times, I want to talk about this other unrelated thing!" Anything else, I personally don't think needs to be touched.
 
You know how sometimes a joke is funny, and then the person who told the joke tells the exact same joke five times in a row, and for some reason it's not funny anymore?

Yeah, I guess that's why they all got deleted.
 
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There were a many members complaining about one liners, macros, meme spewing, etc. in the gameplay forum. They said there was no reason to share and discuss because of this and attitudes of people shitting on each other and not discussing their post. You can tell someone they're wrong without being inflammatory.

Now it's there's no reason to blah blah because we can't turn most threads into one liners, flames and etc. Each character forum has a general discussion for this reason. I disagree that its too strict because it snowballs and then spreads into other threads. I am not okay with people wanting to ruin others enjoyment because they get enjoyment out of ruining things.

If people are trying to help or discuss and someone is just posting nonsense it should be deleted and I'm behind Midiman on his moderation of that thread. I don't care how dumb or helpless you feel the person complaining or asking for help is, don't discourage constructive communication.
 
1st I checked the match making thread, and you can set a region (gonna check again I'm sure you said subform)

2nd I mustve been really blind I never noticed any of this, I'm a go with the flow kinda guy if a thread derails I'll derail until we get serious unless I have something serious to say.

I kinda see the mods point of view being that when you're in a position they are in, it's hard to please everyone. And I see the people's point of view being if they want to joke let em joke. Just like the skullgirls beta we need to try different approaches and see what works best for everyone
 
Every thread doesn't need to serious and every thread doesn't need to be jokes. And honestly, I don't see the people who complained it was too lax before and discouraging posting much. And they probably won't speak up here either so it'll look like it was just something we did one day.

It's not even site wide the moderation is tight, mainly the gameplay section because there were complaints of too many threads turning into nonsense.
 
I am not okay with people wanting to ruin others enjoyment because they get enjoyment out of ruining things.
This is... sort of exactly what you do when you delete posts, though? :x

More generally I just don't agree with the basic premise that the presence of jokes destroys the possibility for civilized discussion. It is extremely easy to not read the joke posts, especially when there's so few posters and so few posts per day forum-wide.
 
Moderators are doing an annoying job for free so they should be rewarded with some perks of petty tyranny
 
I have an idea that could quell the crappy posts, but people are gonna have to hear me out for a minute.

A lot of the threads we see in general discussion that are, for lack of a better term, absolutely god awful and attract the types of posts we are referring to are from new players that are either clueless or frustrated in regards to a certain aspect of the game, example:

1. "Why is Fillia X move so dumb?"
2. "How do I deal with Peacock spam?"
3. "I can't do a throw with Cerebella!"

When we see threads like this, as people who actually play Skullgirls, the video game, our first reaction is to post sarcastic comments because well, its hard to be serious when we see the same exact threads over and over again and they're posted by people with a seeming complete lack of willingness to learn.

An all too common example, taken from a certain Facebook group that won't be named, but it also incredibly common here as well, is the topic of "Peacock spam". A player is frustrated with not understanding how to fight Peacock and wants to figure out how to accomplish this in the best way they know possible: by posting DIRECTLY in General Gameplay discussion.

Now as people that play this, the video game, Skullgirls, our first reaction to a dude claiming Peacock is actually unbeatable and that what she's doing is simply "mindless spam", or a guy that thinks Cerebella does too much damage because they don't understand they need to neutral jump command grabs, is to be sarcastic. Its really hard not to be sarcastic when we know the person claiming Peacock is a scrub character is just sitting there getting hit by projectiles and making no effort to avoid them, or when a guy is probably getting hit by the EXACT SAME Cerebella command grab setup over and over and over again is complaining that Cerebella the grappler is just doing way too much damage oh boy.

But lets play Devil's Advocate for a second here. We've all been new to video games. Fighting games are intimidating. There's so much information a new player has to consume to even understand what's going on. Its a very daunting task. OK, so why do I bring this up? Because Skullheart is incredibly disorganized when it comes to providing information to players, especially new players in the Gameplay General thread which is the FIRST place people look for information.

When I started playing fighting games, I posted on a site called Something Awful in their games forum. The Street Fighter 4 thread was absolutely wonderful. The OP had everything a new player would need, a glossary of terms, a video by David Sirloin that explained footsies, a link to the footsies handbook, a general breakdown of the characters and how they played, and even a link to a guide on what arcade stick should buy and different grips players could use on their sticks!

It was all there, in one place, and easy to find. It was a great resource to new players and answered many of my questions IMMEDIATELY off the bat.

On Shoryuken, if you go to the OP in any character forum, all the information is right there, in the OP! Everything you could possibly need to know, and the OP is updated so all relevant stuff is in the first page of the thread. On Skullheart, if you want to find burst baits, resets, or optimal combos, you often times have to dig through three or four pages worth of a thread. Its all over the place. My local community and I actually had to start a Google doc to keep track of all the information because it was so all over the place on Skullheart. Yes I know you should take your notes for a fighting game, but lets be real here. There's no reason all this information SHOULDN'T be better organized.

However, even more general in that, in the General Gameplay Discussion thread, which is where the problem lies, has one thread that is actually designed to give new players information. There needs to be more than that, much more. There should be threads that are designed to be as entry level as possible in regards to the information they provide. Why is this important?

Skullgirls has a huge advantage over other fighting games, in that its art style is absolutely gorgeous. So many people are drawn to this game by its wonderful art and characters and then actually want to learn to play Skullgirls, or even more basic than that fighting games in general. When these players want to play Skullgirls, and actually LEARN to play it, when they come to Skullheart to learn the game they just finda massive collection of information scattered all over the place. That's why we have so many threads like "What's a burst bait" and "How do I punch move".

We've all been brand new to a video game and been the guy that asks a very basic question and gets scoffed at for it. The best way to solve this issue is to actually have better stickied threads in General Discussion designed to give people information that are starting from ABSOLUTELY ZERO FIGHTING GAME EXPERIENCE. If you have threads that give basic rundowns of how to play footsies in anime fighters, glossaries of fighting game terms, explanations of Skullgirls combo systems, how assists work and how to call them, how to deal with strategies that a new player is going to find frustrating etc etc then you're going to see a lot less of the type of threads posted in General Discussion that attract the kind of posting you want to prevent.

I feel like this thread is trying to find ways of cutting weeds when the bigger issue is how to prevent them in the first place.

The reason I believe all of what I said is relevant here, and not in another thread, is because I believe there is a direct correlation between low quality posting and the disorganization of information on Skullheart.

If we do a better job of informing players that click straight to General Gameplay Discussion instead of anywhere else by having threads RIGHT THERE for them to read and learn from, we'll have less threads that will only be responded to with memes and sarcasm.

tl:dr New players will post less bad threads in General Discussion, which will result in less silly/sarcastic posts, if the players are better informed from the get-go

Thanks to anyone that actually read through this massive wall of text.
 
Problem is, for a lot of relatively new players this is how they start out before they get 'git gud' drilled into them. If this was a thing, the people posting semi-regularly would need to take it on themselves to inform the players who are just frustrated while laughing at the trolls. If you're upset enough about something in a game that you've made an account on their site to complain about it (however valid that complaint may be), you're probably not in a frame of mind where having mocking images posted in response is going to help.
I'll clarify a little...

What I mean is a new subforum with a "Strict rules - READ BEFORE POSTING" sticky. That would at least give competitive players a place for serious discussion that they do NOT want to be derailed. Most importantly, if I come across a two-year-old thread about peacock matchups from a google search, jokes and nerf requests are unhelpful.

But since the thread title is "too much moderation?" my little request here isn't too relevant... :P

Moderating threads by newcomers about complaining is definitely a difficult task that I do not envy you for having to do. The problem is complaining is annoying, and will lead to sarcastic replies, which lead to goofing around. If you want a welcoming environment for new players, then moderation necessary. Though this is a forum for a competitive game, and other forum users aren't going to like having to be super polite to noobs.

edit: never mind, fullbleed is faster and smarter than I.
 
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This is... sort of exactly what you do when you delete posts, though? :x

More generally I just don't agree with the basic premise that the presence of jokes destroys the possibility for civilized discussion. It is extremely easy to not read the joke posts, especially when there's so few posters and so few posts per day forum-wide.

It is hard for me to ignore complaints regarding the gameplay forums such as:

Dime_x said:
But nowadays when anyone talks strategy or teams or anything of that nature, we get trolls talking about everything is theory fighter, nothing will be accomplished etc etc etc

Which is funny when that's the exact opposite of what happened back in the day.

I mean why are people even posting here except to impart knowledge or learn?

It seems that skullheart as of late is mostly a place to troll others for wanting to learn, or to troll others for imparting knowledge.
Duckator said:
Skullheart was never good
View619 said:
Hey look, this thread is being derailed into nonsense already. Can we stay on track, please? Keep the general discussion to the general/off-topic threads please. There are plenty of (too many) threads for non-game play/ competitive discussion on SH already.
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At this point I think maybe we should just make "public" pm? Invite anyone who wants to be in on it. And keep the off trackers from putting us off track.

Being funny and stuff is well and good but there's a problem when posts like the one I'm making now, the one you just made, the one I made before that and so on and so forth make up the majority of this thread. It's 2 pages in and we probably have less than 6 posts concerning the original point of the thread.

But at the same time... No one has been posting there own thoughts on strategy... So maybe sh just isn't a place for general strategic discussions. I can't think of one thread outside of the character specific sections that hasn't been sidetracked by trolls... The tier thread comes the closest and there's still debate on nonsensical issues like how to tier who to tier and whatever...

This forum unfortunately can't be taken seriously at all.

We had to do something about it.

Celsai Edit - just popped in to add quote tags.
 
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Okay, my 2cents
E: Made a bit prettier

Delete posts if:

Anything seems to have malicious intent
- eg thread derailment with the *purpose* of going off topic, base example "I think assists are OP, <reasons>" and then ppl who like their assists and don't want this topic to go anywhere try to destroy it by spamming the shit out of the thread

Serious discussion in a serious thread becomes impossible to hold due to an ABUNDANCE of one liners etc
- eg discussion thread gets started, has some talk, then it devolves into a 20:1 imagemacro:argument ratio, which makes it infeasible to keep a conversation going

Things go from "humorous remarks" to plain spam
- as seen eg in this thread - the first hilary post was witty and added something to the conversation (obv not ontopic, but "makes the forum more fun to read" is adding something) - the followup posts were just annoying; the difference between a single joke and dumb twitch coppypasterino shit

The discussion actually moves from the topic at hand to one of the OT remarks
- eg I posted a smiley face in respose to a Dime post - the single Smiley face does no harm, but if followup posts now proceeded to ignore the ongoing conversation and instead went to "lol he posted a smileyface", "rofl wheres that smiley from its great", "oh from hitbox? yeah i prefer hitbox too" etc, creating a 2nd, non-gameplay-related topic in the Peacock thread, stuff should get removed

Obvious things like violations of page rules etc
- Unprovoked insults, Posts consisting of nothing but slurs, w/e

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Now, I didn't dig through that thread again to see what would be worthy of deletion or whatnot, but following this ruleset and going by memory
- It was not a "serious discussion thread" to begin with, but a bunch of whiny complaining that got 'the appropriate' response, and later *evolved* into a discussion thread. Retroactively deleting stuff because a silly thread evolves into a serious one seems super backwards - the deletions are there to keep a thread from turning into shit, and this thread obviously wasn't in any danger
- Things weren't obviously malicious, nor was it impossible to hold conversation during them, nor was the discussion more focussed on joke posts than the actual topic (as evidenced by.. discussion actually happening) .. or rather, one of the three topics which are discussed in there now (peacock spam, 50/50s, where to place peacock on a team, probably more)
- There were a bunch of spammy/annoying oneliners, but neither were they too abundant, nor were those the main focus of the deletions (there was some guy who, 6 pages in, just posted "holding my sides" - this obv doesn't add anything, isn't funny etc, and I doubt anyone is gonna complain if that got deleted. The stuff by b0nk guy on the other hand was funny maybe?? (I don't know, I'm a german and thus not allowed to laugh) and didn't seem like it detracted from anything, while also making ppl happy, so .. just keep it)
- The only actual insult I remember was "THESE ARE 50/50S YOU MORON" from Broken Loose (funny to see that coming from a guy who cries in my ear that I'm impossible to talk to because I flame people who "don't agree with my opinion")

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TL;DR: I feel there are reasons to delete posts, even many posts, in threads (most notably when they're related to gameplay) - but I don't feel like it was really necessary here, at least not to the extend it happened.

Baseline, if a joke post gets 5+ Likes and discussion is still happening afterwards, it's utmost likely better for the forum climate to keep than to remove it

E: On the "Serious" Tag, I don't think a thread needs that, as it's *imo* rather simple to see.
A post containing nothing but "Peacock OP every noob can play her she got 10-0 matchup against Valentine" won't steer away from snarky remarks with a [Serious] in the thread title (nor should it);
and if I put work into starting a long discussion topic on <X> and the mods think it's a good idea to let four pages of image macros fly because I didn't "tag it properly", they will have to live with the ensuing bloodbath

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On another note: While I don't necessarily agree with the deletions, I don't particularly mind them either. People who don't go to this forum because their "funny one liners" get deleted.. are most likely not users whom I would miss.

In the end, the gameplay section is shit because people don't talk about gameplay - but whether they don't talk at all, or post some dumb image doesn't matter much.
I'd wish that someone like dekillsage posted with more substance and less "lmfao u thought if PBGC DYNAMO p.s. pikmario wats a dhc", but if he doesn't want to do that.. shrug, deleting those posts ain't gonna help either.
 
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Nice essay FuLLBlee
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Two of these quotes are from Dime X
Lets not slip into fallacies. It doesn't make his point any less valid and only strengthen by the likes received on those set of posts.
 
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Now, now... the moderation is kinda good for posterity: imagine trying to find info or tech in a thread 2 years from now and be overwhelmed by jokes, useless info, personal/internal jokes and small accusations, etc. Makes checking it out not worth the effort for anyone who just started SG and is looking for advice.

In a sense, i believe the moderation is trying to prevent topics with info that could help player from becoming "for fun" threads like Smash and pokémon, where people could waste 2 pages with one line jokes n'such.

An alternative is, as suggested, to use tags when you actually want the mods in or out of the thread. something like putting [+mod] on the title if you want all offtopic stuff to be deleted every now and then and [-mod] if you want the mods to delete only critical stuff (porn, illegal and other serious rule violation stuff).

I believe the jokes should be kept in the general discussion forum, the accusations in PM and the fights in a lobby, but to each their own.
 
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Lets not slip into fallacies. It doesn't make his point any less valid and only strengthen by the likes received on those set of posts.
No, it's relevant, like if you're going to say "here's the reason there should be rules against good posts" and cite one of the worst posters on this or any other forum, obviously I'm not gonna find that compelling.

e: In retrospect this isn't really actionable, so, more constructive: the issues that Dime X and View619 and maybe Duckator (although it's less clear what Duck's problems were, his message was much shorter) were having could be addressed by putting people on ignore. The only reason that wouldn't fix it is if the offending messages weren't coming from a select few people but was a forum wide problem. That isn't the case (due to the actions you and the other moderators have taken!), so I feel like for people who have this problem the ignore function should be sufficient. Doesn't work the other way, though; I can't use the ignore function to bring back posts I liked that got deleted.
 
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People who don't go to this forum because their "funny one liners" get deleted.. are most likely not users whom I would miss.
Wow it's like that huh

e: @FuLLBLeeD I read your whole huge post and I like your ideas. I could probably make something on how to fight Peacock since the question comes up so often.
 
On Shoryuken, if you go to the OP in any character forum, all the information is right there, in the OP! Everything you could possibly need to know, and the OP is updated so all relevant stuff is in the first page of the thread. On Skullheart, if you want to find burst baits, resets, or optimal combos, you often times have to dig through three or four pages worth of a thread. Its all over the place. My local community and I actually had to start a Google doc to keep track of all the information because it was so all over the place on Skullheart. Yes I know you should take your notes for a fighting game, but lets be real here. There's no reason all this information SHOULDN'T be better organized.

However, even more general in that, in the General Gameplay Discussion thread, which is where the problem lies, has one thread that is actually designed to give new players information. There needs to be more than that, much more. There should be threads that are designed to be as entry level as possible in regards to the information they provide. Why is this important?

Skullgirls has a huge advantage over other fighting games, in that its art style is absolutely gorgeous. So many people are drawn to this game by its wonderful art and characters and then actually want to learn to play Skullgirls, or even more basic than that fighting games in general. When these players want to play Skullgirls, and actually LEARN to play it, when they come to Skullheart to learn the game they just finda massive collection of information scattered all over the place. That's why we have so many threads like "What's a burst bait" and "How do I punch move".

We've all been brand new to a video game and been the guy that asks a very basic question and gets scoffed at for it. The best way to solve this issue is to actually have better stickied threads in General Discussion designed to give people information that are starting from ABSOLUTELY ZERO FIGHTING GAME EXPERIENCE. If you have threads that give basic rundowns of how to play footsies in anime fighters, glossaries of fighting game terms, explanations of Skullgirls combo systems, how assists work and how to call them, how to deal with strategies that a new player is going to find frustrating etc etc then you're going to see a lot less of the type of threads posted in General Discussion that attract the kind of posting you want to prevent.
I agree with this so much. I have in the past asked every character section in the past to get anyone to make one thread with some info people frequently want instead having to dig through huge threads to find their info. Some did do it like Big Band and Valentine, others had it already like Cerebella and there's still others where the players won't do it like Double or Filia (forgot Winnie's guide). There's a combo thread that says "from page 3 onward". Just make a new thread already or make a new compendium thread lock it so only you can edit and post in it and keep it clean and up to date.

I have seen people on other sites say they tried to learn something in SG but it was hard to find or there was a bunch of old info.

I use SRK, VFDC, DreamCancel and Dustloop and those sites don't have issues with people not wanting to make threads for easy reference and are nicel organize. Here, I'm not sure why? Just take the reins and make a wonderful thread of resources!
 
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I agree with this so much. I have in the past asked every character section in the past to get anyone to make one thread with some info people frequently want instead having to dig through huge threads to find their info. Some did do it like Big Band and Valentine, others had it already like Cerebella and there's still others where the players won't do it like Double or Filia. There's a combo thread that says "from page 3 onward". Just make a new thread already or make a new compendium thread lock it so only you can edit and post in it and keep it clean and up to date.

I have seen people on other sites say they tried to learn something in SG but it was hard to find or there was a bunch of old info.

I use SRK, VFDC, DreamCancel and Dustloop and those sites don't have issues with people not wanting to make threads for easy reference and are nicel organize. Here, I'm not sure why? Just take the reins and make a wonderful thread of resources!
That's another thing, I'd be willing to make something like the Big Band thread for other characters. Probably not like every character because the Big Band one is sort of hard to maintain as it is? Actually I still need to add in there what characters j.LK is an instant overhead against, and put the better corner combos in there and a few other things. But I could do one other character probably.