Valentine General Discussion / Social Thread!

Discussion in 'Valentine' started by GHNeko, Sep 3, 2013.

  1. gllt

    gllt Dedicated

    Steam:
    gllt
    Valentine
    Cerebella
    Big Band
    I don't get the mentality that if a reset is reactable, it's bad. I don't get it at all.
     
  2. Shin ATproof

    Shin ATproof I BRZ I Shin ATproof

    Location:
    Metallicana, Judas
    Steam:
    Shin_ATproof
    PSN:
    Shin_ATproof
    XBL:
    Shin ATproof
    Valentine
    Neither do I really. Technically speaking, most resets are reactable; main reason they are generally effective is that you're opening up the weakness in an opponent's defenses. But I digress, my success rate of resetting using j.LK midscreen & corner is pretty consistent though so I see it as far from useless. I've found that all of Val's normals have some practical application depending on the situation but if I had to choose which moves I use the least, it'd have to be s.MK and c.HK as I don't incorporate them into my gameplan as much.
     
  3. Colossi

    Colossi THE ONE THAT DODGES

    Location:
    Brazil
    Steam:
    Colossi
    Fukua
    Cerebella
    Unknown
    I've used more for fake crossunders and to start corner air chains, since the first hit deals more damage than j.lp.
    I also have been giving up on Val and learning Fukua, tho I'm not sure about it.
     
  4. Effay

    Effay Active Member

    Steam:
    Effay
    Valentine
    Parasoul
    Eliza
    I play Val because her pressure and okizeme are ridiculously strong for how good her neutral game is (and her neutral is one of the best in the game with proper assists IMO). She's obviously no Milia but Milia doesn't have Val's j.HK lol

    Her only real weakness is her average damage off of a random hit isn't as high as a lot of the rest of the cast, but her combos generally lead to corner carry and a knockdown which is valuable enough that I think the tradeoff of slightly less damage is fine.
     
  5. Colossi

    Colossi THE ONE THAT DODGES

    Location:
    Brazil
    Steam:
    Colossi
    Fukua
    Cerebella
    Unknown
    corner val is so boooooring
    midscreen val feels so more fun, jumping around, crossing up, crossing under, bypassing errythang...
     
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  6. Fedora_Ninja

    Fedora_Ninja Never asked for this.

    Steam:
    Fedora Ninja
    Valentine
    Cerebella
    Big Band
    I honestly don't know how to keep corner pressure going cuz I want my crossups.
     
  7. Effay

    Effay Active Member

    Steam:
    Effay
    Valentine
    Parasoul
    Eliza
    it might be 'boring' but it's really strong IMO, to the point where my entire strategy involves backing my opponent into a corner and pressuring them endlessly with double butt and j.mp xx airdash whatever, going for resets into more pressure (or just killing them if they're low enough)
     
  8. Colossi

    Colossi THE ONE THAT DODGES

    Location:
    Brazil
    Steam:
    Colossi
    Fukua
    Cerebella
    Unknown
    idk, continuous pressure seems anti-fun.
    I don't play to be the very best or something. I just want to do air chains and play with people in the air and reset them early.
     
  9. Effay

    Effay Active Member

    Steam:
    Effay
    Valentine
    Parasoul
    Eliza
    *shrug* whatever works for you. For me i see repeated pressure and okizeme as my reward for playing the neutral game right and getting my hit in.
     
  10. /V/ice~

    /V/ice~ Member

    Location:
    Venezuela
    Steam:
    Mr. Vice or something like that
    Valentine
    Parasoul
    I never liked cornering with Val. I usually like to be on the middle because I feel there is no limit of movement
     
  11. Caleb

    Caleb Savage Bypass

    Location:
    Argentina
    Steam:
    Von_Kalev
    PSN:
    caleb_madsen
    Squigly
    Valentine
    Valentine is awesome. Usually my main teams are Valentine/Cerebella and Valentine/Squigly, I think they complement very well to each other.
     
  12. Colossi

    Colossi THE ONE THAT DODGES

    Location:
    Brazil
    Steam:
    Colossi
    Fukua
    Cerebella
    Unknown
    Not so sure about Squigs, but I just play Bella because she works wonderfully with Val.
     
  13. joshb911

    joshb911 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Virginia
    Steam:
    joshb911
    Unknown
    Unknown
    Unknown
    I don't know if its just my OCD kicking in but does any one else get annoyed by the fact that when you switch sides with Val. her eye patch moves from her left eye to her right eye
     
  14. CaioLugon

    CaioLugon It's an alpaca Gameplay Mod

    Location:
    Brazil
    Steam:
    CaioLugon
    PSN:
    O3366-2020O
    Ms. Fortune
    Cerebella
    Big Band
    val has an eyepatch?
     
  15. joshb911

    joshb911 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Virginia
    Steam:
    joshb911
    Unknown
    Unknown
    Unknown
    Yeah you never noticed lol
     
  16. Colossi

    Colossi THE ONE THAT DODGES

    Location:
    Brazil
    Steam:
    Colossi
    Fukua
    Cerebella
    Unknown
    Don't think it should be called an eyepatch. More like a bandage or something.
     
  17. joshb911

    joshb911 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Virginia
    Steam:
    joshb911
    Unknown
    Unknown
    Unknown
    ok well the eyepatch/ bandage thing changes eyes lol
     
  18. Colossi

    Colossi THE ONE THAT DODGES

    Location:
    Brazil
    Steam:
    Colossi
    Fukua
    Cerebella
    Unknown
    But also Squigs missing eye and all the other things.
    The only one that has a reason is Parasoul, that has an animation of her hair changing sides.
     
  19. joshb911

    joshb911 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Virginia
    Steam:
    joshb911
    Unknown
    Unknown
    Unknown
    ohh maybe I should complain about those too lol. jk jk it was just an observation
     
  20. Colossi

    Colossi THE ONE THAT DODGES

    Location:
    Brazil
    Steam:
    Colossi
    Fukua
    Cerebella
    Unknown
    Beo's s.lk hits low
    When will Val's s.lk hit low too?
     
  21. nzm

    nzm New Member

    Valentine
    Unknown
    Unknown
    Who's the best Valentine player? That's on youtube?
     
  22. Colossi

    Colossi THE ONE THAT DODGES

    Location:
    Brazil
    Steam:
    Colossi
    Fukua
    Cerebella
    Unknown
    idk, nobody plays val anymore.
     
  23. ashxu

    ashxu its time to ape

    Location:
    down under
    Steam:
    ashzu
    Valentine
    Big Band
    Fukua
    if you're looking up high level valentine play, look up duckator, specifically the kumite he participated in

    don't really know any other high level valentines that have findable footage
     
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  24. Colossi

    Colossi THE ONE THAT DODGES

    Location:
    Brazil
    Steam:
    Colossi
    Fukua
    Cerebella
    Unknown
    And people dare say she's top tier.
     
  25. nzm

    nzm New Member

    Valentine
    Unknown
    Unknown
    Sweet thanks. Yeah the only person I could think of was duckator too.
     
  26. CaioLugon

    CaioLugon It's an alpaca Gameplay Mod

    Location:
    Brazil
    Steam:
    CaioLugon
    PSN:
    O3366-2020O
    Ms. Fortune
    Cerebella
    Big Band
    Try cloudking and shademoneh, they're ok
     
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  27. Fedora_Ninja

    Fedora_Ninja Never asked for this.

    Steam:
    Fedora Ninja
    Valentine
    Cerebella
    Big Band
    Best val player..... idk anymore. I woulda said Duckator... but who knows where he is now. Haven't seen any footage of him post EVO 2014.

    Outlaw Spike is a decent solo player, as is ShinAtProof. Cloudking is pretty good although his Val combo routes are pretty advanced/unorthodox and not for beginners.
     
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  28. Camail

    Camail Well-Known Member

    ShinATproof and omniscythe are also names to remember.
     
  29. ashxu

    ashxu its time to ape

    Location:
    down under
    Steam:
    ashzu
    Valentine
    Big Band
    Fukua
    Every time I'm not playing Valentine I wish I was playing Valentine

    Damn this character's run speed is so slow
    I wish I could do better cross ups
    Boy I wish I had Scalpels
    This air approach is too linear, I want to go higher
    My lights are too slow and short, if I were playing Valentine I could easily punish that
     
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  30. Colossi

    Colossi THE ONE THAT DODGES

    Location:
    Brazil
    Steam:
    Colossi
    Fukua
    Cerebella
    Unknown
    Man, I learnt how to play Parasoul and she is fun as fuck, but GOD DAMMIT where is her mobility? I feel like playing with a pretty and elegant snail full of mixups.

    Can't play anything without double jump. Not even Filia.
     
  31. ashxu

    ashxu its time to ape

    Location:
    down under
    Steam:
    ashzu
    Valentine
    Big Band
    Fukua
    Mash IAD j.HP as Filia when in doubt :^)
     
  32. Hilary

    Hilary Well-Known Member


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  33. Hilary

    Hilary Well-Known Member

    Mobility is more than just having tons of movement options. She has limited movement, but what she does have is super fucking quick and generally leads to long/disjointed/fast options.
     
  34. cloudKing211

    cloudKing211 King of White Puffs

    Location:
    New Jersey, United States
    Steam:
    akiraxion
    PSN:
    cloudKing211
    Valentine
    Unknown
    Double
    Float is sooooo good. Keeps her above everyone and is like "hey want some, here have a really safe unless you chicken block j.hp, or get faked out and proceed to get bodied". Except peacock, but thats just how it is
     
  35. Effay

    Effay Active Member

    Steam:
    Effay
    Valentine
    Parasoul
    Eliza
    Yeah I agree. The only other character I really like to play is Eliza, since she has a similar air dash. No double jump though.

    As weird as it is I like Parasoul's movement (and Parasoul more as a character TBH) more than Filia's, i could never wrap my head around playing her besides IAD j.HP/HK lol. With Parasoul I feel like if I can ever get them blocking I can go in and do her crazy pressure and crossups and shit, while actually has a neutral game.
     
  36. ashxu

    ashxu its time to ape

    Location:
    down under
    Steam:
    ashzu
    Valentine
    Big Band
    Fukua
    yeah i was thinking about this picture when I wrote the post, I just didn't know the name of the picture nor could I be bothered editing it.
     
  37. ashxu

    ashxu its time to ape

    Location:
    down under
    Steam:
    ashzu
    Valentine
    Big Band
    Fukua
    Welp since I played Filia so much my Valentine sucks so much now.

    And I need to remind myself to use j.MK more for air to air and rework how I play now since MK Bomber was an important part of my gameplan.
     
  38. HodgyHype

    HodgyHype New Member

    Steam:
    HodgyHype
    Parasoul
    Filia
    Fukua
    I'm looking for somebody to teach me some basic val combos and resets. Finally taking a step to improve my game a little.
     
  39. Hilary

    Hilary Well-Known Member

    sLP sMP sMP cMK cHP
    jHP adc jMP jHK
    jLP jMP jHK
    sLP sMP sMP cMK sHP Bypass x EKG

    basic crossunder reset would be to adc jLK instead of adc jMP in the second chain of that combo.

    basic low/throw reset would be to do everything up to the sMP in the final chain, wait and low/throw instead of the sMP.

    basic crossup reset would be to do everything up to the jHK in the third chain and adc jHP crossup instead of the jHK.

    keep in mind that resets aren't really about the depth/strength of the reset, and more about being in your opponent's head and reading what they want to do.
     
  40. HodgyHype

    HodgyHype New Member

    Steam:
    HodgyHype
    Parasoul
    Filia
    Fukua
    dunno what adc means
     

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