Valentine General Discussion / Social Thread!

Discussion in 'Valentine' started by GHNeko, Sep 3, 2013.

  1. Colossi

    Colossi THE ONE THAT DODGES

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    Air Dash Cancel
     
  2. Hilary

    Hilary Well-Known Member

    Airdash cancel.

    so jump, heavy punch, and airdash after the jHP hits to finish it faster, then jMP.
     
  3. ashxu

    ashxu its time to ape

    Location:
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    ashzu
    Valentine
    Big Band
    Fukua
    Am I missing something about s.HK(2) Call MK Bomber Vial Hazard s.HP Vial Toss s.LP or is it just a tight link?
     
  4. ClarenceMage

    ClarenceMage git gud

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    ClarenceMage
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    ClarenceMage
    Valentine
    Painwheel
    Big Band
    It's a tight-ish link
     
  5. Colossi

    Colossi THE ONE THAT DODGES

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    Fukua
    Cerebella
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    Not THAT tight, but yeah, kinda tight. 3 or 4f, iirc.
     
  6. ashxu

    ashxu its time to ape

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    ashzu
    Valentine
    Big Band
    Fukua
    I noticed you can press the assist button (default macro bindings) and you will get the second hit of s.HK and call assist at the same time. Does bomber have to be called then or earlier than s.hk(2)?
     
  7. Colossi

    Colossi THE ONE THAT DODGES

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    Fukua
    Cerebella
    Unknown
    It depends. Do you want your OTG?
     
  8. ashxu

    ashxu its time to ape

    Location:
    down under
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    ashzu
    Valentine
    Big Band
    Fukua
    Not really
     
  9. HodgyHype

    HodgyHype New Member

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    Parasoul
    Filia
    Fukua
    This is something small but idk if it's just me, when I try to do combo cHP jLP jMK jLK, the jLK doesn't come out. It used to before and it crossed up, but now it doesn't work, or at least for me. Did they change this?
     
  10. Fedora_Ninja

    Fedora_Ninja Never asked for this.

    Steam:
    Fedora Ninja
    Valentine
    Cerebella
    Big Band
    Are you air dash canceling into j.lk?
     
  11. HodgyHype

    HodgyHype New Member

    Steam:
    HodgyHype
    Parasoul
    Filia
    Fukua
    Well it does work if i ADC, but i swear i never needed to before. Weird.
     
  12. Hilary

    Hilary Well-Known Member

    If you're referring to the sHK + bomber part, I usually set my A2 Macro to HK+MP for this and some Filia/Double things. HK A2 = sHKx2+Bomber

    If you're referring to the Load during bomber > sHP, it's always been kinda rough for me. I've only ever gone for raw sHP if a vial was loaded prior to starting the combo and undizzy's already working against me.

    If you're referring to the vial link, Vial > sLP takes some practice but is still much easier than Vial > cLK. I usually focus on watching Val's throwing hand on the return to idle and time it based on that.
     
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2015
  13. Colossi

    Colossi THE ONE THAT DODGES

    Location:
    Brazil
    Steam:
    Colossi
    Fukua
    Cerebella
    Unknown
    How often do you guys s.hp during neutral?
     
  14. Fedora_Ninja

    Fedora_Ninja Never asked for this.

    Steam:
    Fedora Ninja
    Valentine
    Cerebella
    Big Band
    If I know the opponent loves pressing buttons in start the start of round, I sometimes throw it out to fish for counterhits. Used it in match against Twerk's fortune once. Beat out a IAD j.hp(? that's the one where she crosses her arms right?) on reaction. Caused her to whiff and I got a CH. I don't throw it out as much as I want to.
     
  15. Colossi

    Colossi THE ONE THAT DODGES

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    Fukua
    Cerebella
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    Wins against some low throw stuff, against some mashed stuff. I've been using a lot, and I can get a combo with lnl.
     
  16. ashxu

    ashxu its time to ape

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    Valentine
    Big Band
    Fukua
    Anyone know a good way to convert off of air throw that doesn't use assists? Or uses L Extend.

    Also preferably doesn't use j.MP right away. So far I've either got Scalpels -> j.MP or Scalpels -> Bypass -> j.MP, there also exists a way to convert with bomber but that uses an assist that isn't L Extend.

    Kinda jelly that most other characters have a good air throw but Valentine's requires meter to follow off of most of the time and also scales the combo to shit.
     
  17. agent13

    agent13 h. osiris spiral is dumb

    Location:
    Toronto/Ottawa
    PSN:
    Rawalpindiblues
    Parasoul
    Eliza
    Valentine
    I think in the beta vial now does that??? but i'm not sure since i don't have it
     
  18. ashxu

    ashxu its time to ape

    Location:
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    ashzu
    Valentine
    Big Band
    Fukua
    What do you mean? I recall Duckator using Dead Cross to convert but as far as I remember it only worked on low heights but that was Retail.
     
  19. Fedora_Ninja

    Fedora_Ninja Never asked for this.

    Steam:
    Fedora Ninja
    Valentine
    Cerebella
    Big Band
    scalpels, air dash j.mk j.hp, land, j.lk j.hk adc j.mp j.hk into whatever. Usually go for a reset by then.
     
  20. cloudKing211

    cloudKing211 King of White Puffs

    Location:
    New Jersey, United States
    Steam:
    akiraxion
    PSN:
    cloudKing211
    Valentine
    Unknown
    Double
    Air grab - scalpels- ad j.mk/call beat extend - hp/hk loops depending on character weight
     
  21. Colossi

    Colossi THE ONE THAT DODGES

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    Colossi
    Fukua
    Cerebella
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    Here's a list of the characters that allow you conversions with L toss j.lp s.lp c.hp in the corner without wasting meter or air dashes.

    Big Band
    Eliza
    Peacock
    Painwheel
    Parasoul
    Double
    Beowulf
     
  22. cloudKing211

    cloudKing211 King of White Puffs

    Location:
    New Jersey, United States
    Steam:
    akiraxion
    PSN:
    cloudKing211
    Valentine
    Unknown
    Double
    Anyone know if val's level 3 actually scales by 3 hits, or is it similar to bella's showstopper, scaling wise?
     
  23. Spec ops Grunt

    Spec ops Grunt New Member

    Steam:
    specopsgrunt
    Valentine
    Peacock
    Filia
    Anyone got any advice on how to get in on zoning Robofortune? I swear her stuff seems harder to get past than peacock's wall of projectiles.
     
  24. cloudKing211

    cloudKing211 King of White Puffs

    Location:
    New Jersey, United States
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    akiraxion
    PSN:
    cloudKing211
    Valentine
    Unknown
    Double
    Just superjump.

    In all seriousness, use a combination of j.mk AD j.mk, j.hk AD j.mk, and J.hk AD j.mp to control the screen. Depending on assists, you have to play more conservatively (namely rush punch, beat extend, pillar, hk twirl, butchers blade, copter) otherwise go nuts
     
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  25. バナナの弟

    バナナの弟 New Member

    Squigly
    Ms. Fortune
    Cerebella
    val's hot. also reallyy good. better than shit caracters like peacock
     
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  26. IFC-Reign

    IFC-Reign New Member

    Location:
    Orlando, FL
    PSN:
    T4rz4n202
    Valentine
    Big Band
    Eliza
    I'm a greenhorn in this game and was wondering what the preferred assists for Val with BB/Eliza would be.
    I keep c.MK for Val, if she's ever not on point. And I'm having trouble deciding between Beat Extend, Brass Knuckles, or even Take The A Train for BB, and either Osiris Spiral or Butcher's Blade/Carpenter's Axe for Eliza.
    And what would be the pros and cons of each assist?
     
  27. Lex

    Lex Skill pending

    Location:
    Scotland, UK
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    Lex
    PSN:
    Ilexyellowdog
    Valentine
    Filia
    Double
    Val has terrible reversals without meter so Beat Extend would be brilliant for covering that. Brass Knuckles would probably be better if you like to play keep away Val (though it can be useful for getting in). Both of those would make for good alpha counters as well. Dunno about A Train.
    Osiris Spiral would be great for Val as it accentuates her already great mixup game. Butcher's blade also does this but at the cost of meter (more range and it has hyper armour though so it can be used as an alpha counter). Dunno about Carpenter's Axe.

    I personally would recommend Beat Extend and Osiris Spiral.
     
  28. Colossi

    Colossi THE ONE THAT DODGES

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    For Eliza, I'd go with Carpenter's Axe because mixups.
    For Big Band, Beat Extend, always.
     
  29. Fedora_Ninja

    Fedora_Ninja Never asked for this.

    Steam:
    Fedora Ninja
    Valentine
    Cerebella
    Big Band
    just use L beat extend.

    H Osiris Spiral: good lockdown, does crazy amount of chip, builds good meter. Doesn't have the horizontal range like Cerecopter tho.
    Butchers Blade: Hyper Armor, great horizontal range, good lockdown. Costs some meter and has some start up.
    Carpenter's Axe: Hyper Armor, OVERHEAD (val doesn't have those), good horizontal range. Costs meter and has some start up.
     
  30. ClarenceMage

    ClarenceMage git gud

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    ClarenceMage
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    ClarenceMage
    Valentine
    Painwheel
    Big Band
    L Extend is better for Val than Brass or A-Train by a long shot - The only thing H Brass gives you is a bridge to get in their face and rush them down. . But, Val isn't Filia or Beowulf so her up close mixup isn't ridiculous. She is better when playing & baiting at neutral, and L Extend is great for that. Edit: She also gets assist whiff punishes but the damage on their assist and the damage on H BRass from them punishing it results in an inconsistent gameplan - it is better to whiff punish assists with air shuriken to lock them out then get to L Extend range.

    For an Eliza assist, I would say Butcher's blade is best for your team composition since it can open up lockdown situations for Val to get a mixup or prep a needle while they have to block, as well as giving Big Band a useful assist to make his Beat Extends, Brasses and A-Trains safe at closer spacings.

    Unless you were looking specifically to use c.MK to get meaty low assist on your oppponent's wakeup with Eliza and Big Band's slide knockdowns, I would say use HK Savage Bypass to give you an option to play better fullscreen game with Eliza & Big Band, like a quasi fireball, and potential pickups from things like after big band's SSJ. It also pushes your opponent back on block so if you want to play more of a spacing game with Eliza & Big Band that is a good assist to use on pressure.

    fucking use backdash airdash j.MP/j.LK/j.HP you fkn
     
    Last edited: Aug 19, 2015
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  31. gllt

    gllt Dedicated

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    Valentine
    Cerebella
    Big Band
    I'm actually kinda lit, so I can't make the long winded post (EDIT before posting NEVERMIND LOL) I want to on this because I'm not even gonna be assed to read everyone else's (I glanced, hi ClarenceMage!)
    I'm also usually the advocate for LOL BUT THIS ASSIST IS COOL-

    LBeat, just do it. I'm also the advocate for mid/anchor Val and all that nonsense.
    Point Val + DP = Good, LBeat = Best DP. Roll with it, trust. A-Trains let you do some vial load stuff but Excellabella is the real gimmick assist to run for that all day if you're really gonna do that. Though... A-Train has that armor.. I forgot that. Nice.

    I'm sure Val/Brass is OK but it's not my style. HBrass is always a good assist though, somewhere right below LBeat in the terms of 'best assists in the game' (IMHO) NICE Big Band. Countercalls HURT.

    I agree with Val/Butcher because lockdowns are nice for Val, and she can also regain the meter in-combo for the butcher assist! I've tested it/done it before... sometime somewhere.
    I also think it's also one of the crappier lockdowns for her though, and ur like, lol wtf its butcher have u seen that armor, but it does have startup time (all sekh assists, well, all two of them that matter) and my issue is the scaling and that I honestly feel I get more from like, bomber (scaling isn't as bad, good carry) and hairball (scaling probably is as bad, but this is still a good armor breakign assist and it comes out much quicker than butcher). You DO get some crazy alternative things though, like, MIDSCREEN vial load combos. I would reset after them, though, into the vial + load another if you need to (with the assist) and then I guess reset again, that scaling is.. yeah.

    I dunno about Val/Axe but BB/Axe is DUMB, LOL and I think you should try it/do it. I dunno if it's dumb on offense or w/e but in terms of damage in the corner lmao at BB/Axe, seriously. All about this.

    Spiral is a godlike assist (mixups on hit and block vs ground or air that are good, chip, the hitboxes, the lockdown) still and if you can call it right A++ so give it a shot but my tldr is

    Val cMK/BB LBeat/Eliza Axe

    cMK is a pretty decent low/lockdown and I dunno how BB benefits from that, but Eliza should like it, in my experience with Eliza/Squig cHP. BB might can do Val cMK + instant overhead jMK?
    LBeat because reasons above, this DP is the God
    Axe because lol that damage and it's overhead and armored, it has some nice anti mash setups with other characters, I bet Val/BB could work that too, but you need to learn how/when to call it specifically

    Val has HBypass but I'm not a HUGE fan of BB/Bypass or Eliza/Bypass (yet) but its a high damage one hit combo extender that can also help with long range confirms (on the characters I like it with, again, no clue about BB or Eliza in regards to that)
    Val has Throw and honestly that throw is godlike but I am terrible at throw assist (Taluda please help us all)
    sHP is actually an underground Val assist (lmao underground, im terrible, please) that some people like and it's cool and I dunno how to tell you why or what it's good for, might be crap
    ??? I think that's it and that's why cMK is your Val assist. Mort drop probably is real.. some.. how. (I'll lab it ayy lmao)

    I think I covered all bases. Don't let people buy you free liquor.
     
  32. IFC-Reign

    IFC-Reign New Member

    Location:
    Orlando, FL
    PSN:
    T4rz4n202
    Valentine
    Big Band
    Eliza
    I didn't expect a reply so quickly, but thank Zeus you guys are on it. Thank you everyone for your inputs. I'll lab it up with all these suggestions to see what seems to work. But I'll also try it out in the heat of matches to really be sure. I'm glad to see the SG community is really friendly and generally want everyone to grow together. It's amazing to see what can be done when everyone supports one another.
    I'm really looking forward to learning about this game.
    Also, I can't get enough of this Fortune emoji. :PUN:
     
  33. gllt

    gllt Dedicated

    Steam:
    gllt
    Valentine
    Cerebella
    Big Band
    I like you, but I'm really sad that emoji is now the default choice over emoticon.

    Oh god, I'm becoming old.

    afk
     
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  34. Ninjapls

    Ninjapls I got a BALHD head.

    Location:
    Louisiana
    Steam:
    Ninjapls
    PSN:
    ninjagoon
    Valentine
    Eliza
    Double
    Hey this my first post on Skullheart (YAY!!!). Main pieces are Val/Robo/Eliza currently (Side chicks are Painwheel and Ms. Fortune). I wanna know if its okay to post a video here in this thread. I want someone to analyze my gameplay and see what i can improve on if that's okay.
     
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  35. Colossi

    Colossi THE ONE THAT DODGES

    Location:
    Brazil
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    Colossi
    Fukua
    Cerebella
    Unknown
    I think that creating a training diary for yourself might be better, since you may want people analyzing your Robo and Eliza performance as well.
     
  36. Ninjapls

    Ninjapls I got a BALHD head.

    Location:
    Louisiana
    Steam:
    Ninjapls
    PSN:
    ninjagoon
    Valentine
    Eliza
    Double
    thats a better idea. Thank you.
     
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  37. The toast

    The toast DONT WORRY IM HERE

    Steam:
    Burnt Freaking Toast
    Beowulf
    Big Band
    Peacock
    MY GOD, MAI VALENTINE FROM YUGIOH, THEN CAME MAI SHIRINUI AND FINALLY NURSE VALENTINE.
    THE TRINITY OF BOOBS IS COMPLETE.
     
  38. Receita Federal

    Receita Federal 300ms Member

    Location:
    Brazil
    Steam:
    receitafederal
    Valentine
    Double
    Big Band
    Do you guys still think L Beat Extend is better for Val? I see few reasons to run that instead of M Beat Extend
     
  39. Fedora_Ninja

    Fedora_Ninja Never asked for this.

    Steam:
    Fedora Ninja
    Valentine
    Cerebella
    Big Band
    with my team, I run M extend to better compliment Bella, and in stare downs M gives me more time to press buttons after Band assist is blocked.
    Once you get used to the slight timing difference between L and M extend, I don't see a blaring reason to go back.
     
  40. Receita Federal

    Receita Federal 300ms Member

    Location:
    Brazil
    Steam:
    receitafederal
    Valentine
    Double
    Big Band
    yeah i also went from l to m, was just looking older posts and thinking if people still think l be is the way to go for val
     

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