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Where's the Twerk in here? FukuaTwerkTeam learns a lesson in git gud

He has a Fortune reference nickname.
He has a Fukua reference nickname.
He mains Filia.
why
 
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Dreamepitaph said:
so Thanks to @IsaVulpes

i unfortunately am going back to focus on Fukua and the new team Fukua/filia/bella

using the assist
M shadow, Updo H, Copter
Oh this team sounds familiar :P (we gonna do some lab work together?)
 
Dreamepitaph said:
i can show you some tech i've found 3 months ago.
word. I also found that for some teams it's better to have fukua 2nd rather then on point
 
Dreamepitaph said:
I know Full well which is why i use filia/fukua/bella for those reasons. its a multipurposed team tbh
that's why I'm starting to use it, although I use french twist with fukua just because filia with french twist assist is ridiculous with her ability to utilize okizima and what not
 
at this point i think i'm stuck now. all the tech all the combos everything i feel stumped. on top of playing good players and bad players. i expect and respect too much as well as disregard options too much.

TL;DR: back to training mode 4ever
 
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<claws>: tbh i'm close to just dropping her
<MrPeck-work>: !!
<MrPeck-work>: I don't find her interesting to use myself
<MrPeck-work>: but that sucks to hear. she's kinda cool
<claws>: if the beta changes regarding upback stays then i might consider it
<MrPeck-work>: ahh
<claws>: my main problem is H shadow
<MrPeck-work>: did you have a lot of projectile frame traps or something?
<MrPeck-work>: right
<claws>: i find no use for it.
<claws>: 30F overhead
<claws>: you either stand block or you upback
<claws>: does the same damage as the other shadows
<claws>: so why use it?
<MrPeck-work>: does it have much frame advantage on block? that's the only advantage i can think of compared to M shadow
<MrPeck-work>: but maybe it's barely noticeable
<claws>: you pushblock and fukua's out
<MrPeck-work>: yeah
<claws>: there's no frame adv to be taken of. but i guess there's that.
<MrPeck-work>: i only mentioned it because it was literally the only thing i could think of that it has over M shadow
<claws>: but that's literally it
<claws>: i believe its +18
<claws>: but i'm frustrated and mad
<claws>: not to mention the game is reduced to low/throw for the most part so pretty fukua acts like double they piss the person off until they do something dumb
<claws>: which is cool.
<claws>: i guess i'll use more tick throws
<MrPeck-work>: i think fukua's definitely a low/throw character
<MrPeck-work>: with some left/right stuff using her air movement if she has an assist
<claws>: but H shadow is not useful cause its so blindingly obvious that if you dash low you STILL can block
<MrPeck-work>: yeah
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<MrPeck-work>: at least she has double c.LK and a low c.MK
<MrPeck-work>: and L shadow
<claws>: i'll take that.
<MrPeck-work>: so she has a lot of tools to catch jump outs
<claws>: but i'm just annoyed my 50/50's require meter
<MrPeck-work>: but she's really really heavily low/throw
<MrPeck-work>: yeah
<MrPeck-work>: spending meter to convert from command throw is rough
<claws>: that's where i'm stuck.
<MrPeck-work>: you could just take the 2000 damage and zone afterwards
<MrPeck-work>: but that might not be great
<claws>: but zoning got nerfed too
<claws>: just a bit though
<claws>: its enough that people get in on fukua easier so that's ok
<MrPeck-work>: yeah
<claws>: at this moment i think fukua is O.k
<MrPeck-work>: what's her meter gain like in the beta?
<claws>: her meter gain is Ok.
<claws>: its enough to see
<claws>: but not enough to be like "Oh mai gawd, just 2 more fireballs"
<claws>: most times you're zoning is strong at mid range not full screen"
<MrPeck-work>: ah ok
<MrPeck-work>: I mean, if she had really good meter gain
<claws>: she has like......
<MrPeck-work>: you could treat her command throw like how peacock treats her HP bangbangbang
<claws>: a little above average meter gain i guess.
<MrPeck-work>: only use the meter to convert it into argus (or lenny>argus for a combo) if you have a lot of meter or you can kill. otherwise just take the 2k damage and keep getting more meter
<MrPeck-work>: that might be kinda bad for fukua though
<MrPeck-work>: she might not do great with that gameplan
<claws>: if fukua had sliding knockdown it might be wise to use fireball
<claws>: but that got taken out
<MrPeck-work>: I used to love doing that in retail
<claws>: and the oki thing is weaker
<MrPeck-work>: cmd throw > fireball, then oki at zero undizzy
<MrPeck-work>: yeah
<claws>: cause most times you're limited to low/throw
<claws>: you try to overhead in a 1v1 situation and they will upback or mash
<MrPeck-work>: yeah
<claws>: and forget H drill.
<MrPeck-work>: yeah, that's not great either
<claws>: like i could careless about invincibility
<MrPeck-work>: to be honest this sounds dumb, but if i still played fukua I'd spend my time trying to get *really* good at low/throws with her
<claws>: i might have to.
<MrPeck-work>: trying to use staggered double c.LK to bait early pushblock attempts and stop the pushback, or catch upback etc
<MrPeck-work>: it sounds like it's really hard
<claws>: well it depends on your situation
<MrPeck-work>: but it's basically the main way she lands a hit, aside from zoning hits
<MrPeck-work>: yeah
<claws>: if you're in the lead you're fine
<claws>: but if you need to do damage
<MrPeck-work>: pretty much
<claws>: you can't even do c.lk, H shadow
<claws>: i'm debating even mentioning whether H shadow is a good tool to use.
<claws>: in the guide i'm writing
<MrPeck-work>: I'd start treating it like cerebella pummel horse or something
<claws>: ...wait...
<MrPeck-work>: only use it when your opponent is concentrating *hard* on something else entirely, and isnt even remotely considering it
<claws>: wait....
<MrPeck-work>: pummel horse is 26f startup, i think
<MrPeck-work>: if that's what youre going to say
<claws>: you have a point...
<claws>: holy fuck......
<claws>: H shadow allows a bit more damage if you use it and doesn't use up OTG
<claws>: ....
<claws>: oh my god
<MrPeck-work>: wait what, how does that work
<MrPeck-work>: oh
<MrPeck-work>: does she recover early enough that you can combo out of it without using otg?
<claws>: s.hp, j.hp,j.hk, c.mp,c.hp, H shadow, s.mk, j.mk, j.hk> ground string, ender
<claws>: and yes peck
<MrPeck-work>: ahhh ok
<MrPeck-work>: that sounds good
<MrPeck-work>: wait
<MrPeck-work>: s.MK, j.HK?
<MrPeck-work>: how does that work
<claws>: whoops
<claws>: s.mk, s.hp
<MrPeck-work>: ohh ok
<claws>: hmmm
<claws>: talking to you made me realize how i should work with this fukua.
<MrPeck-work>: awesome
<claws>: ok. peck thanks man.
<MrPeck-work>: np, good luck with fukua stuff!
<claws>: now i have to ask mike whether this change is final.
<claws>: cause then i can re-write the guide.
<MrPeck-work>: nice
<claws>: Thanks again peck. one day hopefully i can get to play you without lag
<MrPeck-work>: are you going to evo or combo breaker?
<claws>: i can try to make it to combo breaker
<MrPeck-work>: im trying to go to both, almost definitely going to combo breaker
<MrPeck-work>: nice
<claws>: no 100%
<claws>: but i CAN try
<MrPeck-work>: awesome
<claws>: i will be going to a smaller tourny which is winterbrawl
<MrPeck-work>: well if you can make it, I'll see you there!
<MrPeck-work>: ahhhh ok
<MrPeck-work>: i didnt realise they were running SG there
<claws>: yeah one of my friends is running it.
<claws>: so yeah we got skullgirls.
<MrPeck-work>: nice
<claws>: i still use your fukua tech to this day
<MrPeck-work>: that's awesome
<MrPeck-work>: she has so much fun stuff
<MrPeck-work>: I love fighting game characters that have cloned art
<claws>: yeah i should stop crying and actually learn the new beta game.
<claws>: she's still fun.
<MrPeck-work>: and feel like they have to have all sorts of weird gameplay stuff to make up for it
<MrPeck-work>: cant wait to see what sort of weird bullshit robo fortune has
<claws>: i'm setting myself up for disappointment
<claws>: just like i did with beo and eliza(this character.........no)
<MrPeck-work>: i hated beowulf at first, then they added his 8 way tackle thing right at the end
<MrPeck-work>: and it basically makes the entire character
<claws>: tbh
<claws>: i was hoping for command run
<claws>: like el fuerte
<MrPeck-work>: I love command runs
<claws>: then i got tackle
<claws>: so i'm like "aw man"
<claws>: but yeah if i didn't talked to you i was probably going to drop the character
<MrPeck-work>: whoa
<MrPeck-work>: well if you still dont like her after trying her out again you should totally drop her. no point playing a character you dont like
<MrPeck-work>: but it's worth giving it another shot, i guess
<MrPeck-work>: it took me a couple of tries before I liked cerebella
<MrPeck-work>: but that was back in SDE
<claws>: i just...
<claws>: liked the character for her flexibility
<claws>: the ability to control how my opponent reacts
<claws>: and how my opponent plays is great
<claws>: as opposed to my usual "i'm in your face, i can and will mess you up"
<MrPeck-work>: that's my favourite aspect of fukua
<claws>: yeah that's what i liked about her
<claws>: and somehow other fukua players save sage just bastardized her
<MrPeck-work>: people kinda just jumped on a few moves that have obvious, easy uses
<MrPeck-work>: j.MK, air fireballs etc
<MrPeck-work>: j.HK*
<claws>: but that annoyed me.
<MrPeck-work>: like how when squigly was new, most players were just divekicking all over the place
<claws>: truth be told the reason i picked her up was because in the trailer armor grab beat SSJ
<MrPeck-work>: I love everything about that trailer
<claws>: i do too
<MrPeck-work>: it reminds me of when mike was first demonstrating double in late 2011 or whenever it was
<MrPeck-work>: on the gametrailers reveal video
<claws>: it was just great
<MrPeck-work>: and he did catheads and went ham
<claws>: loved the music
<MrPeck-work>: yeah, that's great too
<claws>: overall i think i can still make fukua work like i envisioned her.
<claws>: its just i need to really really really need to start thinking of my options and why i use them
<MrPeck-work>: yeah
<MrPeck-work>: just need to try and work out a solid gameplan that relies on her beta tools
<claws>: ...
<claws>: i keep forgetting about fireball into bff
<MrPeck-work>: it's really good for oki or combos
<MrPeck-work>: bff is untechable, right?
<claws>: i autopilot that too much
<MrPeck-work>: i could be wrong
<MrPeck-work>: yeah, same here
<claws>: and yes it acts like snipe shot
<MrPeck-work>: nice
<claws>: i just focus on damage instead of oki
<claws>: which is isn't right i should actually play the oki like bella
 
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<IsaVulpes>: clk shk hshadow, if they late pushblock they get a backdash and perhaps get hit by the shadow, if they mash some button it whiffs and you punch them, if they pushblocked they are stuck blocking the hshadow, if they mashed super you are perhaps out of range
 
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<claws>: man wing i'm kidding
<claws>: besides she's not even worth learning or picking up anymore LMFAO
<daveosaur>: i liked fukua a lot more when she could spam fireballs like crazy
<claws>: i liked fukua when she had real shadows
<daveosaur>: tk fireball > ground fireball *n
<claws>: ^
<claws>: that too
<claws>: but japan
<claws>: -_-
<daveosaur>: to make it fair
<claws>: look
<daveosaur>: parasoul should have a tear minigun
<claws>: if he wanted to make a statement that fukua sucks ass
<claws>: he achieved that then.
<wingzero>: who?
<Midiman>: http://www.hitbox.tv/Midiman vs someperson
<claws>: who else? mike.
<wingzero>: pffft
<Midiman>: heh
<daveosaur>: i liked it more when
<Luweewu>: Midiman: pls ruin this gimmick team he's got
<daveosaur>: it took the entire community bitching to remove something (see: vanilla buttslam)
<daveosaur>: rather than just a couple people
<claws>: i'm not even gonna start.
<Luweewu>: wasn't that an exec decision?
<claws>: i'm still surprised people want to pick up fukua tbh
<claws>: time to refer them to fortune
<Midiman>: I can see fukua being useful for having a huge amount of control, period, imo

<Midiman>: I can see fukua being useful for having a huge amount of control, period, imo
<claws>: what control?
<claws>: i mean. i guess?
<Luweewu>: Midiman: nice
<Midiman>: ty
<Midiman>: explainin' after this thing
<claws>: is this some sort of ft 10?
<wingzero>: I honestly don't think she's as bad as mike lets on Claws
<wingzero>: but that's my opinion
<Midiman>: its just to whatever
<Midiman>: oh I shouldnt press the button so fast, ok NEXT time
<claws>: the thing is wingzero he think he finally achieved what he wanted.
<claws>: i'm suprised that sage didn't drop fukua yet
<wingzero>: he achieved?? Making her bad??
<claws>: *I think he achieved
<Midiman>: I feel like Fukua is still real nice but you need to make calculated smart setups
<claws>: your setups are the following
<Midiman>: you get the benefits of having a fireball, a lo/hi/mid shadow ( hi omf 2097 ) and cmdgrabs
<claws>: low, throw. so what its worth
<claws>: if you get hit by H shadow
<Midiman>: you can't do anything off shadow even if you link with assist or?
<claws>: infact let's talk about why H shadow isn't anything to worry about.
<Fizzxwizz>: dunno if I've seen a smart fukua
<claws>: ^
<Fizzxwizz>: it'd be interesting to see tho
<claws>: i would agree
<claws>: so H shadow.
<Fizzxwizz>: there used to be people that would do a bunch of chk crossunder grab things
<claws>: what's good about it? oh its a high.
<Luweewu>: Fizzxwizz: there's one guy that's been doing that recently
<claws>: what's bad about it? its telegraphed(wait for it) and it comes out in half a second.
<claws>: i guess since its slow it would allow the zoning to keep going.
<claws>: but you chicken blocked and now fukua is pretty much in a dangerous zone.
<claws>: infact all of her shadows are chicken blocked before you can even deploy another shadow and god forbid you whiff a fireball
<claws>: fizzxwizz the c.hk crossunder grab you'd be better off taking that
<Fizzxwizz>: fukua is 4 nerds
<Fizzxwizz>: four of them
<claws>: cause she uses meter
<claws>: not much to boot from there.
 
<claws>: man wing i'm kidding
<claws>: besides she's not even worth learning or picking up anymore LMFAO
<daveosaur>: i liked fukua a lot more when she could spam fireballs like crazy
<claws>: i liked fukua when she had real shadows
<daveosaur>: tk fireball > ground fireball *n
<claws>: ^
<claws>: that too
<claws>: but japan
<claws>: -_-
<daveosaur>: to make it fair
<claws>: look
<daveosaur>: parasoul should have a tear minigun
<claws>: if he wanted to make a statement that fukua sucks ass
<claws>: he achieved that then.
<wingzero>: who?
<Midiman>: http://www.hitbox.tv/Midiman vs someperson
<claws>: who else? mike.
<wingzero>: pffft
<Midiman>: heh
<daveosaur>: i liked it more when
<Luweewu>: Midiman: pls ruin this gimmick team he's got
<daveosaur>: it took the entire community bitching to remove something (see: vanilla buttslam)
<daveosaur>: rather than just a couple people
<claws>: i'm not even gonna start.
<Luweewu>: wasn't that an exec decision?
<claws>: i'm still surprised people want to pick up fukua tbh
<claws>: time to refer them to fortune
<Midiman>: I can see fukua being useful for having a huge amount of control, period, imo

<Midiman>: I can see fukua being useful for having a huge amount of control, period, imo
<claws>: what control?
<claws>: i mean. i guess?
<Luweewu>: Midiman: nice
<Midiman>: ty
<Midiman>: explainin' after this thing
<claws>: is this some sort of ft 10?
<wingzero>: I honestly don't think she's as bad as mike lets on Claws
<wingzero>: but that's my opinion
<Midiman>: its just to whatever
<Midiman>: oh I shouldnt press the button so fast, ok NEXT time
<claws>: the thing is wingzero he think he finally achieved what he wanted.
<claws>: i'm suprised that sage didn't drop fukua yet
<wingzero>: he achieved?? Making her bad??
<claws>: *I think he achieved
<Midiman>: I feel like Fukua is still real nice but you need to make calculated smart setups
<claws>: your setups are the following
<Midiman>: you get the benefits of having a fireball, a lo/hi/mid shadow ( hi omf 2097 ) and cmdgrabs
<claws>: low, throw. so what its worth
<claws>: if you get hit by H shadow
<Midiman>: you can't do anything off shadow even if you link with assist or?
<claws>: infact let's talk about why H shadow isn't anything to worry about.
<Fizzxwizz>: dunno if I've seen a smart fukua
<claws>: ^
<Fizzxwizz>: it'd be interesting to see tho
<claws>: i would agree
<claws>: so H shadow.
<Fizzxwizz>: there used to be people that would do a bunch of chk crossunder grab things
<claws>: what's good about it? oh its a high.
<Luweewu>: Fizzxwizz: there's one guy that's been doing that recently
<claws>: what's bad about it? its telegraphed(wait for it) and it comes out in half a second.
<claws>: i guess since its slow it would allow the zoning to keep going.
<claws>: but you chicken blocked and now fukua is pretty much in a dangerous zone.
<claws>: infact all of her shadows are chicken blocked before you can even deploy another shadow and god forbid you whiff a fireball
<claws>: fizzxwizz the c.hk crossunder grab you'd be better off taking that
<Fizzxwizz>: fukua is 4 nerds
<Fizzxwizz>: four of them
<claws>: cause she uses meter
<claws>: not much to boot from there.
 
Posting this for subscription purpose. Ill attempt useful feedback in the morning.
 
I like beta Fukua. I've been playing her as a anchor character (Bella/Val/Fukua) and even against good players that usually wreck me (a.k.a. @noaa) I've been able to do comebacks frequently.

Maybe it's because retail feels so different from beta, at least for me.
 
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Yes, that's what I said.
 
Colossi said:
I like beta Fukua. I've been playing her as a anchor character (Bella/Val/Fukua) and even against good players that usually wreck me (a.k.a. @noaa) I've been able to do comebacks frequently.

Maybe it's because retail feels so different from beta, at least for me.
i Like beta fukua too. HOWEVER I FEEL that she has problems that once people actually are smart you'll realize she's not even good just mediocre, i dare say kinda terrible . i'm willing to talk it over on mumble @Midiman or skype @Colossi or @CaioLugon but my stand on Fukua is one of mixed feelings. if i could talk to someone directly on how i feel about fukua i can hopefully clear the confusion.
 
Dreamepitaph said:
you'll realize she's not even good just mediocre, i dare say kinda terrible .
I had a talk with @CaioLugon recently and that's basically what I said. I wanna say she's alone in the bottom tier, but talk like that is meaningless. She's a cool character and stuff, but alongside the rest of the cast she feels so... naked.
 
noaa said:
I had a talk with @CaioLugon recently and that's basically what I said. I wanna say she's alone in the bottom tier, but talk like that is meaningless. She's a cool character and stuff, but alongside the rest of the cast she feels so... naked.
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if there was EVER a straight forward character that's as transparent as glass. Fukua would be it. And at this moment i would NEVER recommend fukua as serious character to pick up
 
upon trying to use H shadow i seem to get hit out of it. upon successfully using it. it just allows the person to chicken block and advance as if fukua had no real way to make the enemy scared of blocking. L shadow gets rather predictable and trying to do mixup becomes monotonous and futilie. It mostly depended on the opponent fucking up for some unknown reason and not because fukua is a "good" character" she reminds me of double with a fireball at some lengths
 
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