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USA [Jul 11, 2014] Skullgirls Encore EVO 2014 Official Side Tournament (Las Vegas, NV)

mcpeanuts said:
How come no one in favor of 2/3 posts reasons why it's a better format? Everyone is always "well there's no reason to change it". The advantage of 3/5 is obvious, you get to play more games and watch more games. The advantage of 2/3 is ???????
I agree.
@POS_Industries
Considering i play like 50+ fighters competitively, I can safely say that SG goes by the fastest. Injustice was switched to 3/5 because people wanted more games and more exciting matches. Same with Doa. Also they felt inj went by too quickly. Tekken is slow as DIRT, and often holds up schedule. Yet it stays 3/5. Idk y lol.
I had talked with ken before too and its pretty much, SG goes insanely by too fast. Sure there will be a few matches that are down to the last seconds but I mean, its more fun this way. It gets a better experience, more gameplay, and allows players to adapt. @render is there any way to add a poll stating both claims?
 
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@mcpeanuts The advantage of 2/3 is that the tournament will CONCLUDE at some point.

Top 16 at UFGTX ran long (45+ min long!) despite Tournament Mode existing and most people being present immediately when they were needed. [edit] It was 2/3.
I don't particularly care if you and your opponent agree during pools that you'd like to do 3/5, but anything we have our hawk-like eyes on will be 2/3.

We will not be adding a poll. This is not a point that was up for debate, people. :^|

I'm gonna compare match lengths from UFGTX to 3s and MvC2 in a sec here. Yay an assignment that requires watching games!
 
POS Industries said:
Easier tournament scheduling so you don't have to worry about things running too long. 2/3 allows for a cleaner, more concise means of determining a winner while still allowing competitors to readjust aspects like character and assist choices in order to avoid a player merely losing to a matchup disadvantage if it were "one and done." It may be less fun for some players and viewers, but it makes things easier on TOs and streamers, particularly at events where there's expected to be a larger turnout like Evo.
Mike_Z said:
@mcpeanuts The advantage of 2/3 is that the tournament will CONCLUDE at some point.

Top 16 at UFGTX ran long (45+ min long!) despite Tournament Mode existing and most people being present immediately when they were needed. [edit] It was 2/3.
I don't particularly care if you and your opponent agree during pools that you'd like to do 3/5, but anything we have our hawk-like eyes on will be 2/3.

We will not be adding a poll. This is not a point that was up for debate, people. :^|

I'm gonna compare match lengths from UFGTX to 3s and MvC2 in a sec here. Yay an assignment that requires watching games!
It seems hard to make the case that 3/5 would take too long, given that there are games that use 3/5 that take longer than Skullgirls.
 
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I say keep it 2/3 this year. Because...

-NEC
-ECT
-Winter Brawl
-SCR(?)
-NCR(?)
-UFGT

Were ALL 2/3 format. Seems kinda silly to experiment and "switch things up" with the biggest shin dig of the year. Lets do 3/5 at Summer Jam fuck it.
 
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keninblack said:
I say keep it 2/3 this year. Because...

-NEC
-ECT
-Winter Brawl
-SCR(?)
-NCR(?)
-UFGT

Were ALL 2/3 format. Seems kinda silly to experiment and "switch things up" with the biggest shin dig of the year. Lets do 3/5 at Summer Jam fuck it.
Im ok with this!
 
mcpeanuts said:
It seems hard to make the case that 3/5 would take too long, given that there are games that use 3/5 that take longer than Skullgirls.
You said yourself that many TOs still make those games 2/3, because it's easier for the TO.

That's the trade. 3/5 means more gameplay but harder to run, 2/3 means less gameplay but easier to run. Both have advantages and disadvantages that make themselves preferable to different people depending on their priorities.
 
keninblack said:
I say keep it 2/3 this year. Because...

-NEC
-ECT
-Winter Brawl
-SCR(?)
-NCR(?)
-UFGT

Were ALL 2/3 format. Seems kinda silly to experiment and "switch things up" with the biggest shin dig of the year. Lets do 3/5 at Summer Jam fuck it.
Sounds good. I'm running Skullgirls at GUTS 3 so I'll make that 3/5 too assuming Summer Jam goes well.
 
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@render - There wasn't a spot to put down for the Darkstalkers VSav tourney, so just thought I'd mention I'll be probably entering that just in case it happens to be at the same time or whatever. :)
 
mcpeanuts said:
It seems hard to make the case that 3/5 would take too long, given that there are games that use 3/5 that take longer than Skullgirls.
Here's some key differences of longer sets:
  1. Longer sets skew results toward "set" players instead of "encounter" players. Basically, players who can't adapt in 2 games are given an advantage over players who can. If you'd prefer adaptability to not be one of the qualities of your ideal winner of the tournament, you want longer sets.
  2. Longer sets and more elimination brackets will better determine the "true" best player. Basically, it benefits the players more (you could run a ft7 every set quad-elimination bracket if you really wanted to find the ultimate SGE champion I guess) but it harms spectators due to length and a significant reduction of upsets. Would Winnie have been able to beat Duck in a ft5? How many times does somebody win the first 2 fights only to lose 3 in a row?
  3. Longer sets enable counterpick experimentation to the point where altering an opponent's momentum with rapid team switches becomes a legitimate strategy. Many would argue that this isn't cool or exciting.
  4. Ultimately, in accordance with the end of point #2 and a rant I had on Smash sets a while back, how many times does the first player to win a game take the set? I argue in favor of 2-stock Melee because 85% of the time whoever takes the first stock wins and the remaining 6 minutes of each round are decorative.
  5. At which point in the tournament should we switch to 4/7, if that should be a thing at all?
I believe, personally, that 2/3 during the early brackets is great for being quick, enabling new and interesting strategies to make it out of pools, not being so incredibly random (a la Quick Match) as to allow gimmicks to power through, and still rewards skilled and intelligent play (adaptability being one aspect of this!) while being satisfying to TOs and spectators. 3/5 is great for later brackets because in those sets you want things to be less gimmicky/random than the initial qualifying gauntlet. I'd be okay with making Top 8 3/5 (or Top 16 in a 128+ man tournament) but anything more is pushing it.
 
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I like 3/5 because it gives me or the opponent one more chance to come back in case you make very silly mistakes, and it also shows who is the better player a little bit better than 2/3.
Less gimmicks more time for adapting to your opponent?
I guess for the same reason we do FT10 and FT7 to see who is better instead of 2/3.
I don't know anything about tournaments though, maybe it will take too long.
render said:
The SG tourney at EVO 2014 will be 2/3 unless a ton of people would rather have it be 3/5.
Mike_Z said:
@mcpeanuts We will not be adding a poll. This is not a point that was up for debate, people. :^|
Uh oh.
 
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IsaVulpes said:
This just in: 30 second timer FT1s are better for people good at adapting to their opponent than FT10s are.
That's not default settings, argument destroyed.
 
For the benefit of people who aren't the type to respond with worthless arguments of absurdity: The concept of 2/3 is to achieve a balance between "gimmicks win" and "perfect consistency wins" during the early portions of a bracket. The reason why we don't do FT1's is because it's bad in the opposite direction. Fancy that, achieving a grey area between 2 extremes!
 
Broken Loose said:
How many times does somebody win the first 2 fights only to lose 3 in a row?

Most of the time I play people in casuals I'll lose two of the first three games whether I go on to win the next 2,000 in a row, or lose the next 2,000 in a row (ft2,000 or bust.) I'd prefer at least 3/5 tournaments so I can feel at least a *little* less pressure and nerves during tournament matches :(
 
There's a lot of advantages to 2/3 as a TO, but the advantages to a player may be less apparent:

  1. You are in Las Vegas. How many video games are you really trying to play.
  2. The faster the whole tourney wraps up, the faster you get into casuals where you actually get better at the game and generally have way more fun.
 
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So I coughed up the money.. I'm am SO nervous about going.. Like, the jitters kind... I've never been.. But I really want to meet everyone, and the dev team too boot! Expect to sign my cleivage!


... fuck can't believe I even posted that. You're not signing there >.> Anyways. I'm gonna get bodied (mainly by Eyoel and a few others) but I'm gonna be excite!
 
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render said:
You're gonna have an awesome time. EVO is a total blast.
What everyone says, and I believe it. Just.. scared a lil. Never been to som'in so hype and huge like this. Kind of afraid of the energy I guess. I'll be there though!
 
Kit Ballard said:
What everyone says, and I believe it. Just.. scared a lil. Never been to som'in so hype and huge like this. Kind of afraid of the energy I guess. I'll be there though!
Yay more people! See you there!
 
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Mike_Z said:
render is nice and wants to be your friend. I am not, and I don't care about being your friend, I care about running the tournament on time. It's 2/3.
B-But I want to be your friend : (
I'm sorry.
 
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Mike_Z said:
render is nice and wants to be your friend. I am not, and I don't care about being your friend, I care about running the tournament on time. It's 2/3.
Entire way through, or something like "Top8 is 3/5", "Losers/Winners/Grand Finals are 3/5", similar?
 
I vaguely recall not finishing pools on the first day last year as well, right? It's all a blur.
 
No, we finished. Someone in here already stated it, but we did all pools on Friday, then top32->top8 Saturday afternoon, then top8 Saturday night.
 
render said:
No, we finished. Someone in here already stated it, but we did all pools on Friday, then top32->top8 Saturday afternoon, then top8 Saturday night.
And then Render passed out from exhaustion.
 
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SG causals are the best. Can't wait to meet more of you guys and gals in person.
 
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I'm so going to get as many autographs as I can =3 This is som'in I've looked forward too for many many years. Just never was good at any fighting games.. Skullgirls is the closest I've came to being "Good". Hoping this can put me to the test of how good I really am.
 
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render said:
We now have over 70 entrants. Keep it going! Smash has over 10x that! Wish I could convince SRK to post our signups link. =/

I sent them the links too through the "submit news" shit I don't get what the fuck the problem is :(
 
I don't mean to imply that we should try to compete with Smash. I mean for Smash's impressive numbers to inspire us to help get the word out.

Posting on Smash boards, wherever those are, is not a bad idea.

EDIT: Apparently the "smash boards" are literally just smashboards.com. Derpderpderp
 
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Elda Taluda said:
Going from what I counted we have 72? Guess that means I make 73...

SEE YOU ALL IN VEGAS
RIP everyone else
 
mcpeanuts said:
RIP everyone else
Don't worry, some of us have contingency plans for just an occasion.
 
Pikmario said:
Dude wtf, we can't let them know about the guillotine.
Guillotine? Nice job Pikmario for planning your OWN contingency plans. Truely, at least one of them will work. Or some.
Hopefully, ALL
 
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