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In that case I wanna challenge @Fuzzy_Snugs. Nothing personal. Wait, yeah it is. Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk

Well "we shouldn't do tier lists" ends the topic while "we should(n't) include assists" directs the topic. That aside, if we decide on common builds for each character as if they were on point we can get started on team based match-up charts. Like peacock/brass is considered a separate...

Ok. If you're so against the idea of having either thing, why post here? It's a match-up and tier thread. The point is to discuss both so they can influence both discussion and understanding of the current meta. We expect them to change, or at least we should. But that starts with...

I have a thought for doing both honestly. But hey, let's start by deciding the optimized build for each character. Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk

Perspective. You already know how other people view the match-up so instead of whining about it you can just ask why you're struggling. Especially if it turns out that you suck at what should be an even or favorable match-up. More importantly, why have a universal match-up thread if we...

A match-up chart brings a one stop reference point for match-ups. If we have universal match-up thread then we should aggregate all of the information from the character specific threads into one spot and come to a consensus on what applies and was/is speculation. We wouldn't be debating if we...

Luv u. Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk

This is the type of conversation we could actually benefit from. This is the type of conversation that could drive team building and in game decision making. What's the point of a tier/match-up thread when it's just vague lists backed by general game plans, assists, and dhc options? How long...

And when they ask why val vs fillia is 6-4 in val's favor, we can discuss a specific match up. Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk

What you said would happen if we do a match-up chart is what happens with a tier list. The difference is when somebody thinks fillia is too high on the tier list because she's no trouble to them we can just tell them to shut up until they prove her match ups are worse than what the chart...

We should be like Negus. If nothing else, to prevent the mcpeanuts scenario. Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk

But it'll be a real tier list based on match-up data and not speculation on how valuable vague qualities apply in general. Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk

Do we even have a match-up chart established? Failing that do we have match-up write ups that establish who beats who and what assists even the odds? Wouldn't that help us better explain whatever tier list pops up and why so and so is A- (or whatever bottom 5 is)instead of S+ because "I've...

No. You'd have to call it at the same time and it'll just a happy birthday waiting to happen. Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk

I can get behind cheers theme song. I know 4 words I'm such a big fan. Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk

We purged a lot of the playlist and there's a skip button. Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk

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So this is the thread that FuLLBLeeD got the Big Band option select from...that's where the DB input came from.

Oh fuck. Why don't you leave that to the rest of us? Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk