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Bella has nothing amazing up-close? She has a potent low/throw game, with two meter-less grounds grabs that you can not tech, both doing a lot of damage on their own + the follow-ups. Do you want to hold up? Well, better hope she doesn't hit you with a low into combo. If you're playing Bellas...

You're better off spending that meter on triple Argus Agony.

What's the current lock-out (in frames)?

I'm all for longer lock-out for hitting assists in general instead of nerfing three individual assists, to be honest. That actually seems like it has a chance of making it into retail at some point.

If you give those assists blue bounce, I think they would need to put the opponent in a hit-state similar to landing a sweep. But then you run into a problem where there's no reason to fear getting hit by a DP assist as the attacker at all (1k damage and distance vs potential to land a hit and...

Notice the note Mike made in the update comments? Don't expect this to last for more than a day or two, lol. I think it's more of an attempt to prove a point at this stage. Also, it's the beta where things like this can happen. But I'm positive that even if every single player loves it, it...

How? I would think these changes barely affect her game plan. She still has good AA/defensive assists that she can convert off of with Argus.

Multi-hit attacks. Also, if we're going to suggest increasing lock-out, I don't think the strength or type of attack should matter (makes it confusing).

The risk of a double snap\overall damage vs a bad defensive assist call (i.e. mashing assists without attempting to block properly, leading to the move never coming out) is enough at this point. The assist game is fine imo, it feels like we're at the point where it's really just a matter of...

People still play on xbl? =/

Hey, take any victory you can get. :P

Can we get a diligent moderator to come in here and clean up, please?

To be fair, some characters have better options when they focus more on staying grounded (Bella, Parasol, Peacock, Big Band), it's just that most players love spending all their time in the air. So, not every character's optimal position during neutral is in the air. As far as AA is concerned...

Except the excellent pressure of head-less and ability to attack with a puppet while the body can move separately? Head-less is still a good puppet character, it's just not the only version of Fortune worth using anymore. At least, that's how I see it.

Eh, I lost interest in the tier aspect of this thread around page 1. I figure the match-up/character weakness portion of the thread is still good, though.

Yeah, sneeze is the Head-less dp now. The way to play it now is going to be find a good time to get the head off (i.e. with space to cover it as the body, or during your own pressure), otherwise play Head-on until you can. Nice to see that Head-on matters now for things besides damage.

I think Peacock's main issues now are shitty standing poke normals and relatively poor reversal options. She can do everything else well enough (good grabs, good overhead, M SOID called with space and held is basically a free in for her). I don't think being unable to keep up pressure without an...

Peacock's conversion off of DP assist is fine, that's what H SOID xx Argus is for. It's not a meter-less combo, but it's still a solid conversion back into her optimal position. With the way she builds meter, you shouldn't have a problem capitalizing on those hits.

May be best to get threads like this locked earlier? So we don't have five pages of the same thing spanning months?

The main aim of every competitive player should be to "git gud", not just new players. It's about making a serious effort to adapt and improve instead of complaining about how things are. It's only negative if you're not interested in competing, I guess. Also, it helps that when that's said and...