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Ok, now that I've done some more testing... I think I understand what was going on. The sliding knockdown time determined if the command grab was meaty or not, meaning the same motions as a point character should create a meaty on squigly, eliza, fortune, painwheel and val. With a possibility...

Arise dead thread, arise! This shows the basic concept. An easier setup (I could set up a dummy in 2 tries usually) is LnL(mash assist) (hold up forward) when you land kara MGR. Tested to work on Fortune Cerebella and Valentine.

cross-posted in general gameplay. The last bit's the working setup against Fortune.

So I'm playing around with meaty setups, and I came across this intersting situation. Against Fortune this timing is perfect since the grab hits meaty and the assist hits before she leave prejump. The other characters are also interesting though. Double recovers too slowly for the grab's...

This time using chair assist since that has more neutral game uses I think. Setup only tested on val but has consistent timing. Reflect for delay timing, dash (call assist now but not on the same frame as the dash) dash again, kara c.mp or hk into qcb+LK+LP. As a bonus, the chair makes a...

Proof of concept, I'm sure there's way better setups than this.

Jump in corner only meter burn combos ftw.

I was actually thinking of this one.

oh, it doesn't work like excellabella? if not then I guess excellabella+summon grab might be neat.

So has anyone experimented with bigband antiair grab+eliza's summon grab? I haven't played anyone since the patch but in my head it sounds gross.

Isn't divekick summon the safe on block option? It was like +13 when I checked.

Disgusting noclip mixups incoming.

wouldn't that mean if you don't do KK on the same frame she starts her moves which she can't cancel?

It also feels tough to time for me. It might be easier if it worked by holding kicks and when recall becomes possible it does it, but that might be a bit easy mode.

I think by herself these mixups aren't too flash, since you'll probably lose pressure if you don't hit on the first try, but being able to do a 50/50 that beats reversals as pretty nice anyway. The real nasty stuff is with assists. You can't call during sekhmet attacks, but depending on the...

Battle butt while calling MP sekhmet assist is some dumb stuff.

So many moments that had my mouth gaping. Fantastic.

I just tried out qcb+mp as an assist. Definately a powerful choice, I think it would blow through all the current top tier assists even if it isn't an optimal lockdown.

ankhor?