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Team Building Guide + Feedback

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Skullgirls Team Building Guide

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Feedback:

I want to use this thread to gather feedback and for people to suggest changes. I hardly got any feedback on the old guide, with some things just floating around all the place on Discord, so I decided to make a designated spot for these things instead. There is a Feedback Page in the guide itself to help give an idea of what I'm looking for.

Things I'm really looking for:

  • Video clips - Preferably Youtube, Discord, or Streamable videos (with a REGISTERED ACCOUNT so they don't disappear after a week). Twitter videos are at the mercy of the user getting locked/banned/deleted so I want to avoid them if possible.
  • Pros/Cons in the character sections - There's probably a bunch of important things to note that I did not list because I don't play these characters. Let me know of these important things.
  • Synergy ratings - The initial synergy tier list discussions died off pretty fast and there was no real cross-character discussions (EX: Some Beowulf players thought he was a better partner than some lists gave him credit for). The synergy spreadsheet was linked at the top, so post here and discuss if there are some ratings you highly disagree with.
  • Duo Assessments - I feel pretty good about what points I used to determine if a duo was good or incomplete, but these were all just my own opinions. If you think I was really unfair or even too forgiving of a duo, let me know.
I'm not really planning on making any changes to the overall structure, whether it's adding or removing sections.

Current needs/concerns:

  • Umbrella's Team Building Page - It's being worked on by Hamie96 with help from Oddberry and Nope at the moment, but any tech that people wanna drop here would be appreciated
 
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Where are the replies to this?? If you still need some video clips of Annie all i have are some Vods from the Brazilian community that I know of

*CaioLugon vs PME with Annie + Bella:
*Kumite CaioLugon:
Mwisk (Val/Filia/Annie)
Vineko (Peacock/Parasoul/Annie)

Idk if this really helps but i sure hope it does
 

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Annie's page and her corresponding partner section on the other character's pages is now complete. Feel free to drop tech or feedback here, as I'm sure there's a lot of things I've missed.

 
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Annie pw shell just murders people but it needs a neutral assist behind them

two dmg engines + easy tag combos from Annie to pw + safe dhc for Annie mash



5hp tag to pw anywhere but corner is very strong

I think with band behind them it's a top tier team, much harder to justify pw without band on the team but Annie wheel + double or fukua or Eliza or para are all strong imo
 
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In your section about evaluating a player's team you ask if a team has 2+ characters who share a bad match-up, and if so, how players want to address it. I think it's a great point, but since I'm getting back into this game for the first time since 2014, I have no idea what characters do well against who.

Is there a match-up chart / sheet that I could reference anywhere? Or is that too complicated to summarize?
 

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Is there a match-up chart / sheet that I could reference anywhere? Or is that too complicated to summarize?
Here's one that the Brazilian community made.
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Here's one that the Brazilian community made.
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If I'm reading this correctly, my team of Filia, Robo, & Parasoul has a Fortune problem. Still, ty for the link!
 

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Here's one that the Brazilian community made.
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This chart is fascinating! Does the Brazilian community have its opinions on who is like, Top 2 and Bottom 2? I'm curious how it compares with NA

Asking cause of that kinda negative peacock matchup spread
 
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This chart is fascinating! Does the Brazilian community have its opinions on who is like, Top 2 and Bottom 2? I'm curious how it compares with NA

Asking cause of that kinda negative peacock matchup spread
We've been meaning to re-do it actually, annie was still in beta then so it was a pretty long time ago. But I can tell you the consensus currently is definitely that peacock is top 1.
 

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Here's one that the Brazilian community made.
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i must say that this chart is really outdated, from the early stages of the annie beta cycle i think, so take this information with a grain of salt
 

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Is this a good thread to ask for team building advice / criticism / tech or should I make a new thread for that?
 

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Is this a good thread to ask for team building advice / criticism / tech or should I make a new thread for that?
I'd say it's better to make a new thread for that.
 
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Would you be okay if I made a "Team Building General" thread and included your Guide/ spreadsheet as a resource in the OP?
 

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Would you be okay if I made a "Team Building General" thread and included your Guide/ spreadsheet as a resource in the OP?
Yeah, I'm cool with that.
 

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Umbrella's section is being worked on now with some help from others, and I would greatly appreciate it if y'all Umbrella Urbans could share some info or tech in this thread to help make writing the sections much easier.

The character section template below hopefully explains what I'm looking for. How does [character] benefit from having Umbrella assist them, and vice-versa? Interesting tech videos - preferably Youtube or Streamable videos and not Twitter videos - are also appreciated.

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Umbrella's sections are done.

Some parts admittedly feel pretty barebone to me, and it does not help that she's a new, yet relatively unpopular character so it's been difficult to find discussion on Discord, along with her Skullheart threads being non-existent. So for talking about Umbrella as a partner, I could only largely only find "Use Cliffhanger, Salt Grinder if you're a resource character." If you have good things to say about any of her other assists such as Cutie Ptooie or Wishmaker that make them seem appealing enough to pick over Cliffhanger/Salt Grinder, PLEASE tell me about it, talk about it with others, etc. For Wishmaker especially, is the mix it provides really good enough to make up for the neutral/damage of other assists, and is the mix really that much better than anything the character can already do?
 

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Hello, I'll mention that you can DHC into both Robo Magnet by doing Rush > 236MPHP > Magnet DHC and Band's SSJ in the corner by doing Rush > Reflector > SSJ.

As for assists, Hungern Rush is superb except for the fact it doesn't have a hitbox. It's the middle point between 6HP and Salt Grinder in terms of resource assist duration and ease to combo into. In neutral and pressure it's still a DP and a hitgrab which is amazing but its hitbox is really small so it has a tendency to whiff. In the corner, it gives Robo either 2 heads or access to headloops, and it's stellar. Here they are.

Despite its problems, it still remains super strong as a combo assist and it's super super hard to deal with for some characters, like Eliza, Bella, Band and Beo.

One other fun thing, if it lands when you're playing a fast character like Robo, you can pick off and combo from basically anywhere.

Lastly, Annie can call Rush, Arm and combo afterwards. Idk if that's great or not but Vineko hit me with it the other day.

I also know you can do Reflector into SSJ midscreen and it could combo but I don't remember the exact setup, I'll test it later today.

Also Beat Extend isn't bolded in the Big Band part.
 
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Just labbed this Umbrella > Big Band midscreen DHC, don't think I've ever seen someone do it before, but it's probably not undiscovered. I think it's important enough to mention since this makes the duo really really flexible with their rotation.

There's also this, which while it isn't as big a deal since it needs correct spacing (and you can always just Reflector after the 3rd hit), it still looks cool at least.
 

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If you have good things to say about any of her other assists such as Cutie Ptooie or Wishmaker that make them seem appealing enough to pick over Cliffhanger/Salt Grinder, PLEASE tell me about it
I had a talk with Hyggend earlier today about Cutie Ptooie, since I've been running with it for quite a while, so here's my two cents. It covers roughly the same arch 6HP does, but it takes a long while to cover the same space, while 6HP fills the screen with hitboxes in little time. It's also worth noting that L bubble is a lot safer for umbrella herself, due to the very small hurtbox and short recovery. I treat it much like an L George assist, and if the opponent doesn't keep an eye on it for the next few seconds it's an easy way out of a combo.
I find it to be an incredible fit for Parasoul because it covers her deadzone for a long time with one assist call.
 

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Heyo, Magemoe and I noticed something.

H North Knuckle doesn't enable the 4-way reset, H Crescent Cut does.
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Also, uploaded the DHCs from Band's section to Youtube (wanna upload full combos but I'm kinda messing them up rn lmao)

Reflector > SSJ

SSJ > Slurp

UTW > SSJ

And onto Fortune, is this good? I know people play 5HK sometimes so if it's not a meme assist it's pretty good i think lol
It also sets up for 6HP.
 

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Heyo, gonna upload this and a low version to Youtube later, but Parasoul's H Pillar gives Umbrella access to meterless two touches.

I'm still testing what I can do with L Shot in terms of combos and resets, since it's a bit wonky because of the side switch and tear explosion, but I'll see if I can get it to be meterless.
 
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I think this is it. I've done it. Umbrella can 2 touch meterlessly with almost any assist in the game (L Shot). (if goku is too loud i can rerecord it)

Here's the low option (1 bar, don't think 0 bar is possible.)

High route Napalm Pillar.

Low route Napalm Pillar.

also fuck it here's a meterless two touch with H BEAM.

I don't think we need to mention an assist gives Umbrella meterless two touches anymore lmao.

(If any of the combos waste UD that's because I did the reset too slowly, and if they don't use the corner correctly that's because all these combos are MIDSCREEN ROUTES)
 
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With regard to Umbrella and Big band Synergy,
Wish maker assist still exists for the two. If Umb gets to overstuffed and tags into band, he gets an incredibly ignorant lingering hitgrab assist. Though it isn't as strong as it used to be, it still adds to the synergy between the two.