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I actually like Fortune, and don't really run into her that often, aside from my sparring buddies who use her. Kinda wanna pick her up for my team :)
Wondering about headless stuff too. I feel like it's like learning a second character, so I'm doing the Elda Taluda thing for now.pickin this kitty up for a little bit :) @KhaosMuffins what would you suggest is a good route to learning her?
right now I am just kind of practicing mobility with head on and getting a sense of some normals (and a simple BNB, of course, with some simple reset opportunities within it), but what is a good way to ease into the head stuff?
I completely missed this somehow, sorry.pickin this kitty up for a little bit :) @KhaosMuffins what would you suggest is a good route to learning her?
right now I am just kind of practicing mobility with head on and getting a sense of some normals (and a simple BNB, of course, with some simple reset opportunities within it), but what is a good way to ease into the head stuff?
So will you revise your statement that Fortune vs. Bella is a 7:3 matchup?"Zoning" Fortune before Encore was just "I'm gonna keep throwing zoom > something at you and laugh when you hit the head because then I can just do it all over again while I dance around at fullscreen with Fuber." Now it's just "Haha what am I doing why can't I move my head why do I have to go near Cerebella now I don't want to I should just play Peacock gah damn".
I think it's 6:4 since the update.
Let's play headless, it's fun.
Headless tips: if you are trying to apply pressure with the head and the head is on your side, use raw nom instead of headbutt, if they block it then it will bring the head closer to you and even if they pushblock you have an opportunity to hit the head out of cooldown.
You know they are going to want to punish the head, so make the first move. Don't ever stay at full screen with the head right underneath them, it gives them time to think and press a few buttons. You can't play braindead fortune anymore, as soon as you see the head on the other side of the screen you have to change positions, you don't react to the head being punished, the default assumptions is that they will want to keep the head in hit stun. If they read your aggression and don't instantly punish the head then congrats you can play a few seconds of SDE fortune. Until then though, even if they only have to commit to the head for a second, that's still where there focus is. A huge part of footsies and neutral game is knowing where your opponents focus is, or where its most likely to be. I'm fine sacrificing a little bit of health on the head (its still like 2 resets into death anyway) to know where their eyes are looking at for 1-2 seconds.
Meterless ground throw conversions! Yay! All sorts of headless combo things that are great to have. Learning all these is easier than learning neutral game and having a solid grasp of her technical aspects will give your neutral game some bite.
So the worst position fortune can be in is when the opponent is about to get in your face and they already passed the head, its on the far side of the screen and you can't get it over to you before you are already under pressure, they don't really need to be afraid at this point because we lost invincibility on fiber. How about we figure out what our options are in that situation? I'll list off two things that come to mind. Preemptive fiber to go over them, or pbgc at the end of the blockstring to go over them. Even match up specific options are welcome. Spitball some things, try them out in matches (preferably against decent players). Lets elevate this sub-forum to something more constructive.
i understand that. what i'm saying is that when you go headless you pretty much either keep the head midscreen or a few feet ahead of you. if the head is away from you just zoom to cat call and then kick if possible. otherwise you might as well start blocking.Well I already prefaced that you can't get the head over to you in time, and that isn't an uncommon situation to be in if they have already gotten passed the head. The head isn't midscreen, its full screen on the opposite side where zoom nom isn't even far reaching enough to make the head relevant. The point is to think about the options your body has when you have been completely isolated from your head and they are in a position to go on the offensive.
well most prominently noted is the lack of JHP which is a great tool in neutral. to get around you use. with headless you approach changes. while you're in the air you have to know every single head moves' range is and when to use it. along finding conversions from every situationMy solution to losing headless Fiber Upper is to run Beat Extend :)
Zooming your head toward the opponent right after slide/El Gato or anything else connects to make it safe is something you should get in the habit of doing. By biggest issues with headless Fortune atm is actually GETTING hits with her.