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Bros, I made my points, you guys just ignored those parts, idk what to say either lol. Imo painwheel is in a much better spot regardless of losing install damage because she can actually compete with the rest of the cast now and tbh that's all I should leave it at. If we don't agree, cool but...

If we're talking about potential, I'm just gonna be that guy and say that this character has been agreed upon as the worst character in the game for 10 years. Her retail toolset wasn't really potentially changing anything. Install imo has never been her strongest tool, it's just the one...

You're all acting like that's all this character has. Then use her actual level 3? You get 10k if they don't burst your now true burst bait with 6HK after buer overdrive. She is now able to pick up from things you otherwise never could, this means you now get damage you would've never got...

Okay but I've also played this character extensively, so what? This should not matter. I think there's more value to these changes than meets the eye. So again, I urge everyone to keep trying it because it's really good!

And I would say that they've grown rather complacent in only playing Painwheel in the second slot. Patches change gameplans, it happens all the time. Rather than the second slot just being a combo tool point painwheel actually has a chance outside of just that. This consistency allows Painwheel...

I just want to point out that it's been less than a week with these changes, I really want to ask you all to please play this patch for longer before going doomer mode immediately. Please give it a chance, it's way better than you're all thinking, I promise! Also 7f 5LK is a godsend for max...

Painwheel has never been more fun than she is now, other than the 8f rising overhead she now has on jLP (my opinion on this is that remove the rising overhead, keep everything else 6f jLP is awesome for starting pressure) I think you've all done an amazing job at keeping the spirit of the...

Ship this patch.

I don't understand the fear of nerfing the most used assist in the game currently. I thought people wanted more assist viability? If all assists can't get buffed then that would do it. Also regarding Painwheel, I'm really hoping that her flight hurtboxes get fixed so that her foot doesn't get...

Maybe if we ask enough over the years we finally get this lol

I'd just like to point out that Painwheel can already do a conversion like that with uncharged nails which I'm assuming would be the same start up of the stored charged nails. I don't think it'd be that strong. But looking at it now even though I didn't initially want it, I think this would be a...

I would main this character instantly, back when Annie was made Pillar of Creation would delete the opponent's meter and I thought that was so awesome. I LOVE ALTERNATIVE STRATEGIES SO MUCH! I doubt it would happen but I'd love to see it

I do have a few things to say about the nerfs and the buffs and it's mostly the philosophy behind them as even though I don't think the nerfs or buff put the characters in tough positions or too strong (though imo val with function is pretty broken but this isn't here nor there) Here's one...

While we're standardizing normal jump animations, can Bella, Val, Double and robo get the same treatment? Or is this a test to see whether they should be standardized? https://wiki.gbl.gg/w/Skullgirls/Game_Data#First_Airborne_Frame_Hurtboxes Personally I like the change but I think every...

Is there any chance crumple and stagger hurtboxes could be a little more standardized? I understand that they have to match the animation somewhat but I do think it's a little crazy how some crumples low profile and others are roughly standing height, makes it really weird for some niche routes...

Could you extrapolate on that? Part of why I don't agree is that it's very vague and frankly the only hatred buers that would be useful would be the ones that send to corner but the thing is I just don't see much of an improvement for the character because the rest of her tools would still be...

The only thing I'll concede about that is that it gives Painwheel a way to control the secondary effect of hatred guard (which is great) but I'm gonna point out that changing it to what you're suggesting is a huge downgrade for the character in my personal opinion, here's why I feel that way...

So I ended up being too busy to actually document everything, sorry. Painwheel imo is a character that's supposed to be really good at baiting and punishing, at the moment she's not the greatest at that (esp with the powercreep of the DLC, as it stands literally all of them have buttons that...

Hey everyone, I just wanted to say that I don't think speeding up Painwheel's buttons will overall buff Painwheel and I don't want silly gimmicks for this character. I'm in the process of writing a really long paper of what I think Painwheel is and what I'd personally want the character to get...

She did and I'm grateful but I also don't think it's at all where it should be as it was a very hasty testing period. 5[MP] only gets that buff under the limitation that I have to hold the button for an extra 12 frames to my 14 frame button totaling to a whopping 26f, any less and I don't get it...