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Welp. Not in the clear yet apparently. The ArcSys rep said he's having issues taking down the strikes as he was not he one to do it himself.

I reeeeeeally hope he comes up with a solution cause, uh, I have 6 days left before it's ALL DELETED.

UPDATE: CHANNEL RESTORED. STRIKES REMOVED. ALL SKULLGIRLS VIDEOS DELETED. I'M SAFE. JESUS.
 
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At least it was all only story mode videos? That's the only not terrible angle I can see on this. It'd be really bad if this happened to tech/tutorials/gameplay footage.
 
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Welp. Not in the clear yet apparently. The ArcSys rep said he's having issues taking down the strikes as he was not he one to do it himself.

I reeeeeeally hope he comes up with a solution cause, uh, I have 6 days left before it's ALL DELETED.

UPDATE: CHANNEL RESTORED. STRIKES REMOVED. ALL SKULLGIRLS VIDEOS DELETED. I'M SAFE. JESUS.

It stinks that they all got deleted but honestly, Arc System Works can go fuck themselves. I am never buying any of their games ever again. I had to remove over 100 Blazblue videos because of that asshole Takashi and his company.

The good news is that I only did the official US version that was released by the guys and not the Japanese version. ASW can seriously and I mean seriously go screw themselves. It's sad really but I'm happy you got your channel back man.
 

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Glad your channel's not completely banned, but they still made you get rid of all your Skullgirls videos, even the English ones? That's still incredibly fucked up, Arc.
 

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Glad your channel's not completely banned, but they still made you get rid of all your Skullgirls videos, even the English ones? That's still incredibly fucked up, Arc.

It is screwed up. I personally feel and hope that the guys behind the game sever ALL ties with ASW if they're going to do this.
 

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We haven't heard anything from Arc yet.

Keep us updated Mike_Z whenever possible.

In my honest opinion, you guys should just sever your ties with Arc. Having Arc in only brings in legal crap that many YouTubers who don't have the power, money or resources can deal with. Made worse is that they can take down footage relating to your game even if they don't own the publishing rights towards.

Arc only has the publishing rights to release the game in Japan only whereas you guys have it for everywhere else like US and Europe, except Japan.

Just saying because if things keep up, many people may end up getting hit with legal bs that they don't want to contend with. Believe me, I have been a victim of it and that was because they have the legal right to issue takedowns. Here, they can if it is the Japanese version but not the English version which they don't legally own the rights to.
 

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If random matches or tournament vids get axed, ima be pissed. I can sorta understand hitting story mode stuff. That's legit IP (though technically not theirs, but that's another can of worms). If they try and hit non-story mode stuff, then we open an entire crate of worms over international fair use.
 

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If random matches or tournament vids get axed, ima be pissed. I can sorta understand hitting story mode stuff. That's legit IP (though technically not theirs, but that's another can of worms). If they try and hit non-story mode stuff, then we open an entire crate of worms over international fair use.

It is another can of worms.
 

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Has Arc had a history of doing this to their other games on youtube?

Yes. They do.

I was a victim of it as was many others because I uploaded story mode and arcade mode footage of Blazblue. They own the game franchise as it is in their right to legitimately do so.

I had no choice but to remove all footage relating to Blazblue as well as Persona 4 Arena Ultimax in hopes I never ire their wrath again.

But the fact that they're now doing it to a game that isn't theirs (they only have the publishing rights btw) is just outright wrong. Heck, they even took down videos of footage from the English version, the version they DO NOT LEGALLY own the rights to. That is ILLEGAL.
 

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From what I've gathered, the last time this happened was when Chrono Phantasma came out. Also I found a comment on Goodbye's video that said and I quote "No idea, but it's most likely due to the people leaking Blazblue act 3 stuff and other things like guilty gear. "

That might be in play with this but I'm not sure. It's up for everyone else to decide.
 

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From what I've gathered, the last time this happened was when Chrono Phantasma came out. Also I found a comment on Goodbye's video that said and I quote "No idea, but it's most likely due to the people leaking Blazblue act 3 stuff and other things like guilty gear. "

That might be in play with this but I'm not sure. It's up for everyone else to decide.

I was somewhat guilty of that regarding Central Fiction Act 3. They never got me but I had to delete stuff relating to Blazblue CF. Hell, I had to remove everything related to Arc all together. Either way... I feel that their management is in need of being replaced.
 

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In my honest opinion, you guys should just sever your ties with Arc.
In my honest opinion, and I'm only going to say this once, you shouldn't voice an opinion like this if you only have a very narrow view. It will just do things like piss off the person you're talking to.

"Please Mike, you should sever ties with the company that was willing to put enough money behind the game, on faith, to pay for Japanese VO and print physical copies including Limited Editions with OSTs and artbooks. You should sever your ties with a company that easily has the ability to test lobbies on console with an entire lobby of testers and devkits, which Lab Zero does not otherwise have. You should sever ties with a company that was willing to put their own money into marketing and promotion for Skullgirls in Japan. You should sever your ties with a company that, who knows, might be willing to discuss doing all that again for SG2 if that were to ever happen."

Nope. One does not burn bridges that fast.

Yes, Arc handles giving out copyright violations on YouTube poorly. Very poorly. Exceptionally badly, in fact, according to US standards, including overstepping their bounds. And we don't really know why, which is the other part of the problem. But we are talking to them about this specific issue, on which we will take a VERY STRONG stance because, as mentioned lots of times, it's bad. However, that's the extent of our problem with Arc.

Even setting all that other stuff aside - instead of us just giving up, wouldn't you rather we try to get them to change how they handle this, so that people don't continue to have this problem in the future with other Arc games?
 

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In my honest opinion, and I'm only going to say this once, you shouldn't voice an opinion like this if you only have a very narrow view. It will just do things like piss off the person you're talking to.

"Please Mike, you should sever ties with the company that was willing to put enough money behind the game, on faith, to pay for Japanese VO and print physical copies including Limited Editions with OSTs and artbooks. You should sever your ties with a company that easily has the ability to test lobbies on console with an entire lobby of testers and devkits, which Lab Zero does not otherwise have. You should sever ties with a company that was willing to put their own money into marketing and promotion for Skullgirls in Japan. You should sever your ties with a company that, who knows, might be willing to discuss doing all that again for SG2 if that were to ever happen."

Nope. One does not burn bridges that fast.

Yes, Arc handles giving out copyright violations on YouTube poorly. Very poorly. Exceptionally badly, in fact, according to US standards, including overstepping their bounds. And we don't really know why, which is the other part of the problem. But we are talking to them about this specific issue, on which we will take a VERY STRONG stance because, as mentioned lots of times, it's bad. However, that's the extent of our problem with Arc.

Even setting all that other stuff aside - instead of us just giving up, wouldn't you rather we try to get them to change how they handle this, so that people don't continue to have this problem in the future with other Arc games?

Noted.

I respect your opinion. I feel that they should start changing how they give out copyright violations on YouTube. Something has to be done because Japan basically has like a closed mind. They don't see things the way we do and how we people in countries like America do. Japan sees it as old fashioned and yes, they want to protect their copyright. That I can understand but when they just go in and strike down people who upload stuff just for fun... well it kind of hurts. I can understand stuff like Story Mode. That I learned the hard way because I was hit by it more than a month ago. But when it comes to a game they only own the publishing rights towards and the fact that they can do it to another version that they don't legally own the rights to... that's kind of crossing the line.

There needs to be a median, a middle ground where both sides can at least agree on. Somewhere where both Arc and Lab Zero can have a compromise like "Sure you can upload footage of Skullgirls 2nd Encore but it can't be from the Japanese version as Arc doesn't like it" or something.

If that was ever in place, all of this could have been avoided and people can let out a sigh of relief instead of Arc just coming in, taking down videos of Japanese version of Skullgirls and even English versions, ones that they don't own the rights. It's a reason why stuff like YouTube and copyright are scary. Scary because one minute things can go okay and the next, boom, gone. Everything can go away in a flash.

When it comes to Blazblue, they have the legal right to do so because it's their property and they want to protect it but for other games that they publish like Skullgirls, there should be a median to it all.
 

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If random matches or tournament vids get axed, ima be pissed. I can sorta understand hitting story mode stuff. That's legit IP (though technically not theirs, but that's another can of worms). If they try and hit non-story mode stuff, then we open an entire crate of worms over international fair use.
I doubt they would take down online matches and they almost certainly wouldn't touch tournament footage. Only thing I can think of apart from story mode that might be at risk is other single player content like challenges and trials, but I think that is probably unlikely (unless they have a history of taking down non-story mode content, not just story mode then saying "yeah, take everything else down as well" but specifically targeting other single player content).
 

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I doubt they would take down online matches and they almost certainly wouldn't touch tournament footage. Only thing I can think of apart from story mode that might be at risk is other single player content like challenges and trials, but I think that is probably unlikely (unless they have a history of taking down non-story mode content, not just story mode then saying "yeah, take everything else down as well" but specifically targeting other single player content).

I was also ordered to take down arcade mode footage as well as they say I can't upload that either.
 

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Being honest, what Japanese publisher doesn't have backwards views on fair use policies? I'm being serious, I can't think of one.
 

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Being honest, what Japanese publisher doesn't have backwards views on fair use policies? I'm being serious, I can't think of one.
Bandai Namco? At least with the souls games, there's an entire industry of youtubers who just make lore videos using content from the game
 
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For as much shit as people give Nintendo, all they give is copyright claims on like, stuff shown off in promos and trailers. Other than that they're fine.

I don't need ad money - I just need to not have my channel forcibly ripped from my hands.
 

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For as much shit as people give Nintendo, all they give is copyright claims on like, stuff shown off in promos and trailers. Other than that they're fine.

I don't need ad money - I just need to not have my channel forcibly ripped from my hands.

Nintendo just files content ID claims. At least they don't take down videos.
 

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Y'know... sometimes i think bigwigs at japanese game companies (publishers in this special case) haven't fully grasped the potential positive effects of youtube coverage.

And this is getting out of hand. they're biting the hand that feeds them new possible customers.

Then again, one of the few japanese devs that shouted to everyone that they should follow a more "western" approach in the way they handle their games was Inafune, and the decision is pushing him down faster than he could ever do by himself
 
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Y'know... sometimes i think bigwigs at japanese game companies (publishers in this special case) haven't fully grasped the potential positive effects of youtube coverage.

And this is getting out of hand. they're biting the hand that feeds them new possible customers.

Then again, one of the few japanese devs that shouted to everyone that they should follow a more "wester" approach in the way they handle their games was Inafune, and the decision is pushing him down faster than he could ever do by himself

Agreed. Agreed on so many levels.
 

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Didn't Kojima want to go more western also when it came to games?
 

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Didn't Kojima want to go more western also when it came to games?


Yeah and it gave us Metal Gear Storyless V: The Phantom Third Act
which could partially be Konami's fault, but still

regardless, I've decided to at least re-publicize all Skullgirls, Skullgirls Encore and pre-Japanese Release 2nd Encore videos as they were not hit (only post-Jap release ones were) and I can at least easily counter-claim all of them due to being uploaded before ArcSys owning rights to Skullgirls even in a single country existed.
 

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Yeah and it gave us Metal Gear Storyless V: The Phantom Third Act
which could partially be Konami's fault, but still

regardless, I've decided to at least re-publicize all Skullgirls, Skullgirls Encore and pre-Japanese Release 2nd Encore videos as they were not hit (only post-Jap release ones were) and I can at least easily counter-claim all of them due to being uploaded before ArcSys owning rights to Skullgirls even in a single country existed.

You may want to wait on that because you don't know if they'll attack again. That and I hope that the guys at Lab Zero can at least try to convince Arc to not jump the gun with it. As Mike Z said, they handle giving copyright EXTREMELY poorly.
 

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Imho, I think a lot of Japanese devs and publishers just aren't fans of the single player content being able to be shown off for free on the internet.

Like, I remember when Sakurai was upset over Brawl's cutscenes being uploaded to YouTube. Maybe its just a cultural thing?
 
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Imho, I think a lot of Japanese devs and publishers just aren't fans of the single player content being able to be shown off for free on the internet.

Like, I remember when Sakurai was upset over Brawl's cutscenes being uploaded to YouTube. Maybe its just a cultural thing?

And that was the reason why there's no story mode in Smash 4. Honestly I feel it's for the best.

Which is why I'm passing up on many games that Arc is releasing like Revelator and Central Fiction.
 

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wow just wow... i'm only buying arc games on sale for now on. also i was going make a 10 top video with games i play but i'm not sure now...
 

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No updates on the whole ordeal I guess?
 

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wow, this topic's rather surprising. I mean, I haven't gotten anything for the what.. 100+ videos of Skullgirls lurking my channel and a few BlazBlue videos. *shakes her head* This whole thing's pretty annoying in any light. Luck to LZ in setting the score straight.
 

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wow just wow... i'm only buying arc games on sale for now on. also i was going make a 10 top video with games i play but i'm not sure now...
Mike already said this attitude doesn't help anything. And they published the game in Japan, even paid for the new Voice acting IIRC.

Don't post story mode videos and, if something happens, post here and maybe lab Zero can talk some sense into them.