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I wanted to make this thread because we all loved cartoons as kids and I know some of us still do.

So the cartoons I've seen lately and enjoyed are....
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and of course...
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Legend of Korra. So what cartoons do you all enjoy or what cartoons are you looking forward to?
 
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Gravity Falls and Legend of Korra are the only things on TV I've watched recently, aside from Toonami. Hyped for LoK season 2, and the eventual Gravity Falls Season 2.
 
About The Legend of Korra. Am I the only one that feels that the first season ending kind of ran itself into the ground?
Everything was awesome at the beginning and middle but I feel like it had a bad ending. I won't go into detail about it yet but when I do I will keep it in spoilers.
 
Denizen said:
About The Legend of Korra. Am I the only one that feels that the first season ending kind of ran itself into the ground?
Everything was awesome at the beginning and middle but I feel like it had a bad ending. I won't go into detail about it yet but when I do I will keep it in spoilers.
I personally liked the ending, but I know what you mean. Some people I know felt that the ending was rushed, but that's because the season only had 12 episodes.
 
I'll give my reasons for why I didn't like it in a little while. But don't get me wrong, I LOVE The Legend Of Korra.
 
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I greatly enjoyed all of Legend of Korra, the love triangle didn't bother me.
The ending though, I liked it a bunch.
People think it could've led to Korra relearning all the elements, but that already happened.
The entirety of The Last Airbender was about it.
 
Denizen said:
About The Legend of Korra. Am I the only one that feels that the first season ending kind of ran itself into the ground?
Everything was awesome at the beginning and middle but I feel like it had a bad ending. I won't go into detail about it yet but when I do I will keep it in spoilers.

Story spoilers:
I have no complaints about it(other than the dumb love triangles), and in fact felt the ending was perfect up until the final scene, but I see a HUGE missed opportunity by giving Korra her bending back. It would have been far more interesting if Aang showed up to her and simply informed her that in order to get her bending back she would have to learn energy bending herself, but in order to do that she must go on a spiritual quest of some kind and then meet Aang on some island during the solstice(something along these lines). It would have set up the scenario for season 2 well, and would have given her an excuse to make good use of her newfound airbending!
 
Get ready this is a long one.
Here are the things I disliked about Avatar: The Legend Of Korra, along with some saving graces.
Please remember that I absolutely love Avatar, I just want to express my feelings about last season.
My dissapointments in The Legend Of Korra, in order of importance.
When I was watching TLOK for the first time I realized that Amon was one of my favorite villains of all time. To both Me and Korra, Amon was the personification of pure fear. Very few characters have that effect on me, Sephiroth is one of them. But I also really admired Amon because in a world of Benders, Spirits, Superhumans, and Monsters, Amon was just a man who could take all of that power away.
When I saw this scene I thought "Wow this says so much about the potential of human willpower, that Amon could just force his way through Tarrlok's bloodbending is incredible and really puts the concept of power in perspective." I thought the overarching theme of this season was that size doesn't matter and that the concept of strength is relative.
But it was all ruined when Amon was revealed to be an extremely powerful bloodbender who was just using his followers to get revenge. I felt cheated at the end, I felt like the writers were laughing and saying "Haha you actually thought that humans could beat benders? You're pathetic!"
Therefore the season ended without any real lesson. An amazing character was just a sham and the good guys won without any casualties.
The saving grace was that death scene at the end, that was intense.
I never really liked Korra's character. Sorry. I'm not sure what it is about her but she doesn't feel all that interesting. I think it's because I liked Aang so much more. I think it's because Aang feels so much more like an actual Avatar While Korra feels like a Waterbender who just happens to be able to bend all the elements. The reason for this is that Aang was the last of his kind while Korra wasn't, so he didn't really feel like he belonged to any one nation, placing him above them. Korra still feels like just a water tribe girl, not an Avatar. I always focused more attention on other aspects of the story besides her as a result, which is difficult because she's the main character.

In comparison, Asami Sato is one of my favorite characters. She's completely original, strong without any powers, and she has an exciting story that revolves around the conflict between morality and her own father. She doesn't let romance, family, or enemies distract her from what she knows is right. With Mako out of the way I can't wait to see what kind of a badass she can become next season.
Is it just me or do a lot of TLOK characters seem like clones of TLA characters? Korra, New Iroh, New Bumi, Lin, Mako, are all very similar to older characters (Katara, Zuko, Bumi, Toph, Zuko again, respectively). This can be explained away by ancestors and decendants but it feels way to close. Also this addition of a love triangle feels unneeded. Putting Korra and Mako together almost feels like the creators of the show are trying to make up to the fan base for not hooking Katara and Zuko up. Especially near the end it feels like the writers were taking tips from fan fiction. I'm totally exaggerating but I wouldn't be surprised if storyboard meetings went like this
"Hey how can we ship Katara and Zuko together in a new show?"
"Make two characters that look just like them!"
"Great now what twist ending should we give to this bad guy?"
"Make him actually a bender and he's a brother to another antagonist!"
"Cool, cool now how do we give everyone's bending back and return to where we started?"
"I dunno Avatar spirit."
It just felt kind of like they took the easy route.
When the show first started everything was AWESOME, then over time it kind of skied downhill.
Skiing is loads of fun but you have to leave the top of the mountain to do it. It was about to fall off the slope entirely, but then they made some bold plot decisions that made the story actually gripping. But it was a little too late, they were already halfway down the mountain. I hope next season they can climb back up.

I am ready for any and all criticism.
 
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Denizen said:
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I don't think they could have made it work without a good explanation for why Amon had so much power, And I thought the backstory behind Amon and Tarrlok was fine and made you care somewhat for both of them, so no complaints here.

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Opinions, whatever. I didn't want an avatar repeat, I didn't get an avatar repeat. Good.

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Zuko=Iroh was done purposely. Other than that the only similarity I see is Bolin trying to be the new Sokka. The team avatar this time around felt much different from the old one. Also, Lin WAS NOT a copy of Toph. Perhaps its only because of their age difference, but Lin was not tomboyish, humorous, or detached, and did not have a bunch of "secret" love interests at once. The only similarity is that they were both really headstrong, and are female earthbenders.
 
Crayolan said:
Counter-arguments.
I think they totally could have made it work. I speculated with a friend about it once and one of my main theories was that Amon somehow managed to enter the spirit realm and learn how to take away bending. Uncle Iroh managed to enter the spirit realm, so why couldn't he. Also I feel that people overestimate a bender's strength. Forget Amon for a moment, two Equalist grunts were able to easily beat Korra and Mako in the beginning, so Amon could definitely take on benders if he was human.

As for the backstory, I would have been OK with it as long as it didn't destroy Amon's character, which it totally did. Amon was no longer the foreboding powerful man he used to be, he was just another bender out for revenge, the same as Tarrlok. Plus the backstory didn't really succeed in making me sympathize with them. At least not until they died.
I just wish Korra, the main character, was a little cooler. She's got nothing on Asami and Sokka.
You're right the Lin and Toph comparison was bad I shouldn't have done that. But I still can't unsee the Zutara/Makorra similarities and the fact that New Bumi IS Old Bumi. Like Aang wasn't related to Bumi at all, why did he have a kid just like him? Also just because Bolin is a comic relief it doesn't make him similar to Sokka. As for New Iroh I feel they went a little too far by giving him the EXACT same voice as Zuko.
New team avatar is definitely different from the old one, but the way it was handled still feels really fan-fictiony
 
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Denizen said:
About The Legend of Korra. Am I the only one that feels that the first season ending kind of ran itself into the ground?
Everything was awesome at the beginning and middle but I feel like it had a bad ending. I won't go into detail about it yet but when I do I will keep it in spoilers.

I felt the first season was a bit rushed. I get that Korra was originally a mini-series but I wish they has given themselves a lot more episodes to work with. Korra could have hugely benefited from having world building filler episodes like the previous series.
 
Night Phyre said:
God damn it. I was gonna talk about cartoons :p
Don't Worry! He renamed the section to Anime, Manga, AND Cartoons!
 
WELL THEN.

Of the cartoons I've watched in the last couple years:

- I enjoyed Adventure Time immensely
- I didn't care for regular show enough to keep watching
- Venture Bros is always top notch
- Can't believe they're doing a rock opera movie for the last bit of Metalocalypse, I hope it's good
- I only just found out about Boondocks season 4 in this thread. I thought they called it quits, but I guess not. Sweet.
- MLP was... not for me.
 
Jutsei said:
They did a Rock Opera episode for Pickles
And it was one of the best episodes ever.
Right, right, but a whole movie? I'm sure it'll be great, I was just expecting another full season.
 
Night Phyre said:
Right, right, but a whole movie? I'm sure it'll be great, I was just expecting another full season.
Well we're basically at the ass end of the plot anyway.
I think a movie is basically the best possible way to wrap everything up.
 
How well was the new Thundercats show doing in Toonami? It sucked that CN canned the show just when it beginning to hit it's stride. I'm hoping the toonami run is successful enough for the show to rise from it's grave
 
Night Phyre said:
- Venture Bros is always top notch.

That's because it has the greatest writing duo to ever grace our presence, Jackson Publick & Doc Hammer.

Their writing is gold.
 
I LOVE Adventure Time and it has the BEST gifs.
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Denizen said:
I LOVE Adventure Time and it has the BEST gifs.
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Stuff like this was the primary reason I liked AT and not MLP. AT had an incredibly sad subtext running throughout, and it filtered those issues through the lens of a child's eye, whereas MLP had no subtext that I could see at all. I felt that it really was just a kid's show.
 
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Night Phyre said:
Stuff like this was the primary reason I liked AT and not MLP. AT had an incredibly sad subtext running throughout, and it filtered those issues through the lens of a child's eye, whereas MLP had no subtext that I could see at all. I felt that it really was just a kid's show.
I wholeheartedly agree. Lately that subtext has been emerging without the child's eye filter. It's slowly been revealing it's true self as genuinely serious cartoon. For example, who here has seen the episode "Princess Cookie"? If you have seen it I don't need to explain anything else. If you haven't seen it then go watch it now.
 
My favorite episode is still "I Remember You". The feels you get from Marceline and the Ice King throughout the whole episode will hit you hard.
 
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Zeriam said:
My favorite episode is still "I Remember You". The feels you get from Marceline and the Ice King throughout the whole episode will hit you hard.
Oh man, when he sings the Cheers theme song near the end? My wife cried, and I just about followed suite. Took a lot of manly energy for me to keep it together.

"Makin' your way in the world today... takes everything you got..."
 
Also, speaking of Gravity Falls... How about those massive hiatuses?
 
Hawkingbird said:
How well was the new Thundercats show doing in Toonami? It sucked that CN canned the show just when it beginning to hit it's stride. I'm hoping the toonami run is successful enough for the show to rise from it's grave

They played it full through twice, and halfway a third time. I wouldn't exactly call that "when it began it's stride." It just seems like they didn't finish it because the show actually has no ending. It just cuts at what seems like the near-end.

DDB said:
Also, speaking of Gravity Falls... How about those massive hiatuses?

Talk about 2 weeks.
 
While were talking about Adventure Time(which is also a really good cartoon I forgot to mention) there is a new show made by Rebecca Sugar the animator of Adventure Time called Steven Universe. I believe they took the pilot down, but it looks like the show could be good(better than Uncle Grandpa).

A fun fact I learned was that before leaving to create Steven Universe Rebecca's last episode of Adventure Time she worked on was Simon & Marcy(which is my favorite episode).
 
Zombies8MyLeg said:
While were talking about Adventure Time(which is also a really good cartoon I forgot to mention) there is a new show made by Rebecca Sugar the animator of Adventure Time called Steven Universe. I believe they took the pilot down, but it looks like the show could be good(better than Uncle Grandpa).

A fun fact I learned was that before leaving to create Steven Universe Rebecca's last episode of Adventure Time she worked on was Simon & Marcy(which is my favorite episode).
It's fun that all those guys go and do their own cartoons. I also like Bee & Puppycat and Bravest Warriors.
 
Night Phyre said:
God damn it. I was gonna talk about cartoons :p
Yeah, sorry. I'm not trying to say that Cartoons=Anime - This is how the section was before SH went down and it keeps things a little neater because people were posting separate threads for individual cartoons before.
 
Night Phyre said:
It's fun that all those guys go and do their own cartoons. I also like Bee & Puppycat and Bravest Warriors.
Yeah Bee & Puppycat is awesome and I hope they make that into a full series. I haven't seen Bravest Warriors though.
To YouTube I go.
 
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I don't know what to feel about Bee & Puppycat. The writing and the voice acting felt really weird, It was as if they were trying to force how "This Generation" talks nowadays. This leads to... uh how do I put it?
Just really awkward speech patterns.
As for Bravest Warriors, I like it but it's hard to actually get into. I've seen a few scenes here and there but I never got around to actually following it. It sort of feels like starting over again with Adventure Time. Maybe if I take the time to watch it episode by episode I will really like it.

Catbug is the best thing about that show.
 
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One of my all time favorite shows is definitely Megas XLR.

The best thing about this whole show is the way it takes none of it seriously. It doesn't even take ITSELF seriously. The characters are likeable, but are often the objects of this series' humor as much as the pop-culture references are. Coop (voiced by David DeLuise) is a good-hearted but easily-distracted doofus who'd rather spend his time playing video games or tinkering with old cars than saving the world.

Jamie (voiced by Steve Blum) is a self-centered, slightly cowardly slacker who is sort of like Shaggy from "Scooby Doo" crossed with Randall from "Clerks." And Kiva (voiced by Wendee Lee) is stuck-up and disdainful of her two erstwhile partners, despite (or maybe because of) being the smartest and most competent member of the trio.

Their odd character clashes and brief asides (especially Coop's, who often has "Family Guy"-like flashbacks to his many screwups, like putting squeezy cheese into a power coupler that looks an awful lot like the Autobot Matrix of Leadership) help keep "Megas XLR" from being just another lame anime parody, and instead transform it into both a satire and a loving homage to everything that's cool to people of my generation.

I leave you now with a lovely memoir that shows just how great this show is.


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Denizen said:
... Bee & Puppycat. The writing and the voice acting felt really weird, It was as if they were trying to force how "This Generation" talks nowadays. This leads to... uh how do I put it? Just really awkward speech patterns.
My wife actually really likes the voice over in B&P, she says it feels less, "voice actor-y." I don't know if I want every show to go that route, but I like how it works for this show.
 
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