Question regarding lower level players in versus modes

[docmudkipz]

Wanted to ask this question to more experienced players regarding finding lower level and maybe even stark beginning players in something like quick match or even just a lobby: What's your take on this once you find them. Body them? Go no holds barred and simply combo and reset them without any regard on if they actually want to learn or play the game in a competitive mode? Or do you do you hang back a bit and give them a chance, maybe add them and give them pointers? I bring this up because I found a Beowulf one day on quick match who was different than the others that simply let me do my neutral game attempt before swatting me down and not letting up until they won. This one was different, he destroyed my Parasoul before he simply let up and did little jabs at me, as if prompting me to try something out. I seriously appreciated this guy did for me and showed me that not everyone that's better than you will indirectly tell you to put down the controller and close the game. So that's the first one.

I also have a question regarding the Cerebella BnB in the compendium and just timing the j.hp after the j.lp. About how high up from the ground should I be before hitting the j.hp? I would also enjoy having a higher level sparring partner to figure out what I need to improve on other than what is obvious to me.

 

[mcpeanuts]

I don't really join beginner lobbies. If for whatever reason I find myself playing a beginner, I would normally use something other than my main team, but I would still play seriously aside from that.

Mr Peck made a helpful video on how to do that part of the Cerebella BnB:

 

[Fumako]

Go all-out start of the match, if they got absolutely wrecked go scale down a bit. If they keep getting caught by something keep doing it as if saying "What you're doing is bad, this thing beats your thing; try something else." Worse case scenario they don't understand and get killed and add you so they can say that you're killing potential members of the community; best case scenario they add you to insult you and you help them or you add them and help them, yay!
If the connection was good add them, give them pointers, maybe play a set with them using a pocket team. It's win-win, they learn stuff, you get experience with your lesser used characters. ^^

Go no holds barred and simply combo and reset them without any regard on if they actually want to learn or play the game in a competitive mode?

lmao, that's no fun

About how high up from the ground should I be before hitting the j.hp?

[the video used to be here but mcpeanuts posted it first and now it just takes up unnecessary space.]

edit: damn it mcpeanuts, stop being helpful

 

[ShakyFingers]

I haven't played against randoms in quick match or lobbies in a long time, but when I would, I'd just play the same as always. Because of the way I am, I don't hold back on people I play against because, if I knew somebody went easy against me, I'd be unhappy, but that's just me. If you tell me to tone it down a bit, I would out of respect. If not, I play against any average Joe the same as I'd play against a top player. People have taken that as me being mean to them in the past, but I've never meant any ill will; I only want the best for people. I'm not one to add people unless they send the friend request, and I don't give advice unless asked for. Maybe it's because, back when I started fighting games, I didn't have anybody to help me out like people do nowadays. I worked from the ground up by just learning what I could in matches and in training mode, and in videos. And when I got to a level I thought I could help people, I only got negative responses when I tried, so I gave up on helping people unless they take the first step. Even after I came to SG and NEEDED people to help me improve, I'm still like that. I'm a little jaded in that regard, and I'm working on changing that. I'm also very shy, so it's difficult for me to speak up about things unless somebody says something first. Don't be like that, though, because you may miss some people who want serious help but are just too shy to ask, or don't know what to ask.

That being said, my best advice would be to just ask questions. If you wreck somebody, ask them what they want from you. To hold back a bit, to give advice, tell them what they're doing poorly, what they're doing well, so on and so forth. That way you don't upset anybody by going easy on them when they don't want you to, or just mopping the floor with them when they want you to go a little easier on them. And if you get wrecked by someone, don't be afraid to just ask something. You may run into some prick who laughs at you and says you suck. You may run into a bunch. Who cares? All it takes is one player better than you to give you some advice to change things for you.

As for a higher level training partner, the best player I know says I'm one of the strongest Peacocks, and ranked me top 4 as a Bella player(initially he put me in top 3, but I argued. I still don't agree with top 4). Though I don't agree with him, I'm no slouch. I'm basically always free for matches if you want to ask me. Unless I don't have access to the TV, I rarely turn down a set. I only have PSN, however. If you have free time on Saturdays, there is a Skullbats group that runs a PSN tournament every Saturday at 8PM EST. Every round is 3/5, and there's no elimination, so there's absolutely no pressure in entering. We have a buncha different players of varying skill levels, and there are plenty of people who are willing to help you improve. This group is a large reason as to why I started out only an okay player in SG to a much better one in only a year; they can help out a bunch. If you're interested, here's the thread to join.

Sorry in advance for the wall of text. Shy as I am, I'm very wordy with my advice. Sorry again in advance if I misunderstood anything you said. I had trouble sleeping today, so I'm pretty out of it right now.

 

[skull person]

Body them? Go no holds barred and simply combo and reset them without any regard on if they actually want to learn or play the game in a competitive mode?

Well, first of all you said Quick Match so I'm just going to discuss this from a QM point of view.
Quick Match is for finding a player at any skill level and trying to beat them.

Usually I just do simple effective things.
If I am jumping constantly and jHP as Parasoul / Beowulf is hitting them and they can't deal with it, I'll just use that move until the round is over.
If I'm going to purposely turn down my level of play, it should be teach along side winning.

Also, if the player doesn't want to learn or play the game in a competitive mode, they should go to beginner lobbies.
I will assume people are in QM to get better, so I'm not going to stop doing what's working just to "give them a chance" because that is infuriating when you are trying to improve.
When I started out I was as bad as everyone else, it was my first fighting game and people were way better than me. I still took my losses and learned from them.
If someone is going to reset me to oblivion and never let me breath, fine, I need to learn how to play against it anyway.

Or do you do you hang back a bit and give them a chance, maybe add them and give them pointers?

I will still give any player pointers and help if they want it.
If I trap someone across the screen doing nothing but Napalm Shot H.
(I won't stop doing it until I win because it's working)
I'll send them this for example.

he simply let up and did little jabs at me, as if prompting me to try something out. I seriously appreciated this guy did for me

That sounds pretty annoying to me.
I improved a lot faster when I was losing every round and they were doing more than little jabs.

Indirectly tell you to put down the controller and close the game. So that's the first one.

Not the right attitude.
Combos, resets, good neutral, doing what works... those are not things that tell you to put down the controller and close the game.
That's just playing the game, it's a fighting game.
You do what makes you win until they learn how to fight against it, and then you adapt, and they adapt, and then you adapt...

It's up to you if you want to quit and give up, or get better and learn to overcome obstacles.
Not the opponent.

 

[docmudkipz]

Also, if the player doesn't want to learn or play the game in a competitive mode, they should go to beginner lobbies.
I will assume people are in QM to get better, so I'm not going to stop doing what's working just to "give them a chance" because that is infuriating when you are trying to improve.
If someone is going to reset me to oblivion and never let me breath, fine, I need to learn how to play against it anyway.

It's seemingly impossible to find such lobbies on steam, the last time I joined a lobby marked "beginners" it was a person who knew combos on five different characters and the result was the same as if it were quick match. To me, at least, it's a lot harder to improve if I don't know what exactly that I'm doing wrong other than "everything". It would be nice though to see proper friendlies lobbies filled with legitimately new players.

I will still give any player pointers and help if they want it.
If I trap someone across the screen doing nothing but Napalm Shot H.
(I won't stop doing it until I win because it's working)

I feel like that's an example of something good, yet kind of annoying for the other person until they figure it out, thing to do. I played Peacock for a little bit against a friend and he always got frustrated at the zoning that was happening.

Not the right attitude.
Combos, resets, good neutral, doing what works... those are not things that tell you to put down the controller and close the game.
That's just playing the game, it's a fighting game.
You do what makes you win until they learn how to fight against it, and then you adapt, and they adapt, and then you adapt...

Seeing those combos and neutral can be really overwhelming to a new player, especially new to the genre. I feel that the attitude can be and usually is person to person, for example, I can put up with it just fine because I'm starting see some of the things I am doing wrong(Like failing to react to high/low mixups and block accordingly). However, especially with the steam sale, I feel like there may be an influx of players who simply get tired of getting bodied even if they're in a lobby marked for beginners. I also kind of worded the phrase wrong. A lot of people would feel like they're being told that. They're just not used to helpful and polite communities instead of the now extremely intoxicated ones.

That being said, my best advice would be to just ask questions. If you wreck somebody, ask them what they want from you. To hold back a bit, to give advice, tell them what they're doing poorly, what they're doing well, so on and so forth. That way you don't upset anybody by going easy on them when they don't want you to, or just mopping the floor with them when they want you to go a little easier on them.

As for a higher level training partner, the best player I know says I'm one of the strongest Peacocks, and ranked me top 4 as a Bella player(initially he put me in top 3, but I argued. I still don't agree with top 4). Though I don't agree with him, I'm no slouch. I'm basically always free for matches if you want to ask me. Unless I don't have access to the TV, I rarely turn down a set. I only have PSN, however. If you have free time on Saturdays, there is a Skullbats group that runs a PSN tournament every Saturday at 8PM EST. Every round is 3/5, and there's no elimination, so there's absolutely no pressure in entering. We have a buncha different players of varying skill levels, and there are plenty of people who are willing to help you improve. This group is a large reason as to why I started out only an okay player in SG to a much better one in only a year; they can help out a bunch. If you're interested, here's the thread to join.

Sorry in advance for the wall of text. Shy as I am, I'm very wordy with my advice. Sorry again in advance if I misunderstood anything you said. I had trouble sleeping today, so I'm pretty out of it right now.

I actually wish there was some type of text chat in at least the steam version considering recent players doesn't show anyone fought in lobby or QM. I don't believe there's a way to get a direct link to profile either. I actually plan on picking up the PS4/Vita version once the Vita version is finalized and on the store. Although I might pick it up early to take you up on that.

And to Fumako and mcpeanuts, thanks for that too. I feel kind of stupid now that I remember watching that a while ago, guess i forgot it. I can actually pull off the combo now though. Plus thanks for answering because this has been on my mind for a while.

 

[Meow-Professor]

It's seemingly impossible to find such lobbies on steam, the last time I joined a lobby marked "beginners" it was a person who knew combos on five different characters and the result was the same as if it were quick match. To me, at least, it's a lot harder to improve if I don't know what exactly that I'm doing wrong other than "everything". It would be nice though to see proper friendlies lobbies filled with legitimately new players.

The best way to find players like this is to make a beginner lobby yourself. A small size would be best.
Play with whoever joins, and if they aren't at the level you're looking for, just kick them. Repeat this process until you find someone at your level, and perhaps send them a friend invite so you can play them later.
Check out this thread, as well. You can find people to play with, and it also lists some beginner groups you can join to help you find people to play with.

 

[Kyugetsuki]

If I body a beginner in quick match, I switch to solo or a different team the next time I face them and do repetitive things and hope they learn, such as the same reset over and over or the same counter hit set up.

I will however punish you for tagging during resets.

 

[Lex]

I actually wish there was some type of text chat in at least the steam version considering recent players doesn't show anyone fought in lobby or QM. I don't believe there's a way to get a direct link to profile.

I'm pretty sure that people you play against on the steam version of Skullgirls do show up in recently played. They definitely do for me.

 

[Receita Federal]

I will however punish you for tagging during resets.

I would like to do that against TJ

 

[Sparties]

tbh, most the time i bump into beginners, i do not hold back. they usually add me before i can add them.
why? because i'm trying to improve too, and even though they're beginners, they might have already developed a play style. it's an opportunity for everyone to learn.
i do give pointers to beginners when they add me. every now and then, i try characters i'm genuinely trying to get good at like big band, so the match isn't over as quickly as it would be using my main team.