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I really hope Ridley ends up being a playable character rather than a stage hazard. ;_;
 
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bring back L cancels plx sakurai
 
If I'm being completely honest I always felt shield cancels were always shallow and only served to get rid of any purpose landing lag had in 64 or Melee. That's one of the few exploits I don't mind Sakurai fixing in Brawl with auto-canceling.

Wavedashing I'd like to see again though. Modified.
 
with the way air dodges work in brawl i doubt we'll ever see wave dashing again, which is fine. But L cancels basically make the whole game, air moves are important to every character and if you can't do them near the ground whats the point.
 
I'm not saying they should make air moves impossible to use near the ground, I'm just saying that having to do an arbitrary cancel to make the move possible to use close to the ground is stupid when the option exists to just get rid of landing lag.
 
but then everyone would just do a jumping move then grab you during hitstun/blockstun like in smash64

the l-cancle was an elegant solution but i guess he could just make landing lag shorter on the average
 
(geeze, let's hope we can get to all those pages like last time)

Insanely excited for SSB 4, the amount of cool stuff in there already is blowing my mind, I just hope we can get some character reveals really really really soon. Luigi and Olimar were great, but the Ridley fans are apparently tearing each other apart at the seams since that stage screenshot.
In? Not In? Stage Hazard? They're dying to know.
 
Much as I like Chrom, he'd better not replace Ike or I will salt all over the place :mad:
 
Nap1400 said:
I'm not saying they should make air moves impossible to use near the ground, I'm just saying that having to do an arbitrary cancel to make the move possible to use close to the ground is stupid when the option exists to just get rid of landing lag.
A lot of people disagree with l-canceling, even in the Smash community. However, I agree with it because to me it's the equivalent to learning how to link in Street Fighter 4 or really do any complex combo in any fighting game. You need to learn the timing of l-canceling by practicing just like learning the timing of links which also makes the possibility of "dropped combos" giving the chance for the defending player to punish.

The thing is that l-canceling timing differs depending on your attack, whether you whiff, land a successful hit, land on a hard shield (less lag), or land on a light shield (more lag) which adds to the complexity of how you need to react to the game. To be honest it kind of reminds me of the timing with pushblock guard canceling in this game because you need to practice the timing which differs depending on the properties of what the attacking player is throwing at you.

Nap1400 said:
If I'm being completely honest I always felt shield cancels were always shallow and only served to get rid of any purpose landing lag had in 64 or Melee. That's one of the few exploits I don't mind Sakurai fixing in Brawl with auto-canceling.
L-canceling (or shield canceling as you incorrectly called it) is not a bug/exploit. It was intentionally programmed into the game. Wavedashing was also not a bug, but I would consider it an exploit since originally it was made to fulfill the case when a directional air dodge encounters the ground, not for mindgames, smoother movement (move to new positions to maintain combos and pressure/stage control/ledge control), and mid-attack reversals (wavedash out of shield). The metagame basically just took these mechanics to their limits to essentially create a completely different game that Sakurai didn't expect. It really shows how beautiful and elegant the game is because even after 12 years the community is still finding new things in the game even though the game doesn't even support patching! Even with this the game is still surprisingly relatively balanced, especially if you're looking around the top 8-10 characters.

Also auto-canceling is in Melee and Brawl. Not sure if it's in 64 though. I don't know what you mean by Sakurai solving l-canceling with a feature that's in both games?

Rance said:
but then everyone would just do a jumping move then grab you during hitstun/blockstun like in smash64

the l-cancle was an elegant solution but i guess he could just make landing lag shorter on the average
In Smash 64 l-canceling negates all landing lag, whereas in Melee it only cuts it in half. Even with 0 landing lag l-cancels in 64 shield grabs aren't that common unless you're playing with bad players since it's solved with good spacing and pokes. You just have to properly control your jump arcs so you either don't go too deep into their shield or just go for a crossup. If anything the 0 landing lag makes it harder to shield grab people, yet in Melee shieldgrabbing enemies isn't that common in the current metagame since everyone knows how to poke well or just play Fox and Falco where you can just shine to make most of your aerials relatively safe.
 
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First got interested in SG over at Smashboards when the EVO thing was going on so I think I'm gonna like this thread

I don't expect Ridley to get in honestly :<
Unless there's another interesting character I'll probably play Dedede and Link again.
 
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I just need Diddy to return or bring in Dixie or someone similar in play style
Gotta love my Skiing
 
Just a question, but what exactly happened at the smashboards?
 
Welp. Guess that goes to show how much I know my stuff about Smash. :confused:

I do think simply decreasing landing lag overall would be a better solution than l-canceling though. The thing always felt really arbitrary.
 
Heads up, gents!
Tomorrow is going to be a Pokemon-centric Nintendo Direct.
We might get a veteran, or a brand new character.
It's unlikely, but hey, September started, we're due for a new character, yes?
 
Ooooooooooh it feels SOOOO good to be back.

What's up ladies and gents? Back! Finally eh? Jeez. Anyways, so many screenshots I've wanted to talk to you guys about but never had the chance to because europe. So out with it, what have you guys been doing while the board was in a coma?
 
Rellek said:
Ooooooooooh it feels SOOOO good to be back.

What's up ladies and gents? Back! Finally eh? Jeez. Anyways, so many screenshots I've wanted to talk to you guys about but never had the chance to because europe. So out with it, what have you guys been doing while the board was in a coma?
Freaking out about Luigi being revealed.
Looks good.
Also I like the fact Villager's balloons can be popped one by one
 
Jutsei said:
Also I like the fact Villager's balloons can be popped one by one
images

Hehehehehehe

Anyway, Yeah Rellek! It's good to finally be back! I feel like I've missed a whole lot, but then I remember that so has everyone else....
 
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At first I was kinda sad Viridi didn't make the cut, but Reset Bomb stage? Pretty awesome and worthwhile bonus in exchange. Can't wait to see what that will actually do to the level.

Can't decide if I'm dreading that Pilotwings one or not though - the constantly moving stages are pretty disorienting, lol.
 
Why would you freak out at the reveal of Luigi? Of course he's gonna be in lol. And it was around the release of Dream Team wasn't it? Notice a connection there? Any games coming out this month we should be aware of?
(I'm calling that a pokemon related character is being revealed in October. 95% certainty)

And those balloons might not function as awesomely as we hope for them to be. I imagine that each balloon absorbs a single projectile, but if a single move is within all three or two balloons, that it will pop all of them making poor villager scream down to his doom. I think that's a good way to balance that.

ALSO! I am not well traversed in a bunch of video games. What was the stage that had Bowser and Samus charging as well as Link slashing while Kirby's in the bg? This one:
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It was a Metroid Other M stage. Apparently it's the place that Samus fought Ridley and had that infamous scene.
 
I knew it was metroid related. I'm sorry but for a moment (minus the lava) it look right at home in a dead space type environment :P Same type of setting really, minus space zombies...

But yeah, awesome! I'm glad luigi's taunt still spikes.
 
SunnyRei said:
At first I was kinda sad Viridi didn't make the cut, but Reset Bomb stage? Pretty awesome and worthwhile bonus in exchange. Can't wait to see what that will actually do to the level.

Can't decide if I'm dreading that Pilotwings one or not though - the constantly moving stages are pretty disorienting, lol.

Oh yeah, sorry for a possible double post but I felt the need to respond to this in some way. I think it looks really fun. I bet it flies through various parts of the islands... What do you think? Flying into the volcano would be pretty cool :P
 
People are still freaking out about the Pyrosphere Stage.
It's mostly if he's playable, a stage hazard, or a boss.
Someone pointed out the dent in the wall in the first image is shaped like his head, so he couldn't have come out of it, though.
So it's more than likely DURING the fight.
 
Jutsei said:
People are still freaking out about the Pyrosphere Stage.
It's mostly if he's playable, a stage hazard, or a boss.
Someone pointed out the dent in the wall in the first image is shaped like his head, so he couldn't have come out of it, though.
So it's more than likely DURING the fight.

It's ok man... I'll be your crying shoulder when Ridley is inevitably a stage hazard and not a character... My arms are always open.
 
No I don't really care either way.
All my fav characters are already in and aren't likely to be dropped.
I'm just saying the Ridley fans are having a tough as shit time.
 
But BC(Before Coma) you were the loudest advocate for Ridley as a playable character... At least I'm pretty sure that was you... Well whatever then...

So the possibility of Mewtwo being in is looking even better and better. Now that we have Megalutions we also have a potential final smash for him. And what a killer smash that would be.
 
Ndayday said:
First got interested in SG over at Smashboards when the EVO thing was going on so I think I'm gonna like this thread

I don't expect Ridley to get in honestly :<
Unless there's another interesting character I'll probably play Dedede and Link again.

NDAAYY YOU PLAY SKULLGIRLS.

add on steam plz.
 
I want some E-shop representatives for the 3DS version, like Mallo (pushmo), Patricia Wagon (Mighty Switch Force), Dillon, and maybe even Shantae (I wish)
 
Was I?
I'm just saying Ridley would be boss in this game.
I'm not nearly as a diehard supporter as some of the Ridleys on Smashboards.
Those poor guys have been holding out on him since before Brawl.
And now they're getting torn apart by that image.

Either way, like I said, I don't really mind who gets added at this point, because I'll like them. All my fav characters (Wario, Mr Game & Watch) are already in. Smash can only get better.

THough I do hope we get King K Rool.
Or at the very least Dixie.
Since she's in Tropical Freeze I see no reason not to.
 
GHNeko said:
NDAAYY YOU PLAY SKULLGIRLS.

add on steam plz.
!!
I've been caught

Sanoblaze said:
Patricia Wagon (Mighty Switch Force), Dillon, and maybe even Shantae (I wish)

The pain is too much to bear. I know it's completely impossible but mannnn
 
Jutsei said:
Was I?
Either way, like I said, I don't really mind who gets added at this point, because I'll like them. All my fav characters (Wario, Mr Game & Watch) are already in. Smash can only get better.

THough I do hope we get King K Rool.
Or at the very least Dixie.
Since she's in Tropical Freeze I see no reason not to.

There's gotta be Dixie in there. They've got the resources and reasons to put her in. Though there's gotta be a distinct difference between her and Diddy if she is getting in. My fav character is already in: Wii Fit Trainer.
 
Duh. What did you expect? It's all about pokemon right now man. No one cares about smash right now.
 
Ndayday said:
!!
I've been caught



The pain is too much to bear. I know it's completely impossible but mannnn
Ndayday said:
!!
I've been caught



The pain is too much to bear. I know it's completely impossible but mannnn
I know its impossible but... maybe just one... or two? Patricia and Mallo would be more than welcome in Smash! ;A;
 
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