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Why do experts taunt beginners?

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I didn't experience this at all haha. In fact quite the opposite... I see beginners even now getting into games like SG and thinking its all about "xx hit combos" without understanding what is actually at play during the game that is allowing their opponents to be all over them, not understanding the concept of proper defense and having little to no knowledge of any kind of spacial awareness or control.

As much as people like to laugh about it, Dive Kick is actually a good method of teaching beginners what fighting games are about. Too many beginners get hung up on the combos and never move beyond that in their thinking, which effectively slows their progress. Look at this thread for example, the one complaint you see in the initial post more than anything else is about combos, not about spatial awareness or defense.
 
As much as people like to laugh about it, Dive Kick is actually a good method of teaching beginners what fighting games are about. Too many beginners get hung up on the combos and never move beyond that in their thinking, which effectively slows their progress. Look at this thread for example, the one complaint you see in the initial post more than anything else is about combos, not about spatial awareness or defense.

Personally I HATE combos, and would love Skull Girls infinitely more if no combo was more then 3 hits long on any character. I find that combos are largely a barrier to the fun, which for me is all about the parts up to and immediately after a combo, controlling space, punishing mistakes, predicting or even training reactions, and just in general being unpredictable. But thats not the route they chose to go, they wanted to be another combo-fighter, and I've come to accept that and love the game for the other aspects of it in-spite of its combos which, at the very least, are much easier to execute then many other fighting games.

But one of the biggest issues with combo fighters will always be that they do tend to feel less accessible to new players. A new player doesn't know your or her character well enough to know what distance they want to keep you at, nor do they know proper punishes or even what is punishable. What they do know is that they hit you 5 times and only got you down to 3/4th of your life, then you hit them once and because of a combo got them down to half their life... and frankly that's pretty discouraging. The beginner whose got a desire for fighting games flowing through their veins may surrender this match but then immediately go to the training room where they work on combos on their own for a month before even stepping foot online again, but the average player is either going to keep losing in a game that seems completely unfair and eventually give up on the game, or find some one who also doesn't know combos and play them.

If they do find such an opponent, maybe they're still losing 19 times out of 20 to this guy who has better spacial awareness, but this isn't nearly as intimidating, the gap doesn't feel as significant even if it actually is, and odds are they feel like they're learning as they play, starting to get down said spacial awareness and the common tactics. Maybe they eventually reach a point where they decide to put in the hours in training mode to get really serious about the game and actually learn combos, maybe they never do, but regardless they've had a blast. This is why its so essential for a combo-based fighting game to have good match making, to make sure beginner players or casual players can get matched together, because doing so allows the game to reach a much wider audience and allows beginners to not be scared off by that very real entry barrier that lengthy combos create.

But I digress. The point I'm making is that while spacial awareness and all that is important to, all that stuff is a lot less visible, and a lot more learn-able, during normal play, then combos, and thus why combos get brought up more by beginners. If I get a bunch of friends together to play, say, soul calibur, and none of them are familiar with the game, we still tend to have a blast for hours even though I'm winning the vast majority of the games do to my superior knowledge of distance and punishes and the like, and usually by the end they've made up some of the gap between us through simply playing the game, but if I try to get a group together to play a combo heavy game like skull girls, the beginners only have fun if everyone's a beginner, the moment some one starts executing extended combos everyone tends to want to play something else. It's not a problem with skull girls, but with combo heavy fighters in general.
 
I'm definitely with you OP. I'm not very good at this myself and I tend to get paired up with people who are just insanely good and destroy me all the time. That's fine, if they're good at the game they should be beating me. But I go up against guys who have combos that go on forever or mix me up so quickly and frequently I can't even react. So at that point I'm just like "welp I'm not winning this one." Usually it goes like you said, they just turn me into a training dummy and don't even realize that I've taken my hands off the stick and I've got my web browser open until they're done. But sometimes they'll realize that I've stopped playing and they'll just stand there and let the match drag on. Then I'll just be like "ok I guess I'll just kill him then" because I just want to get on to the next match and hope I'm more evenly matched with the person. But then they just run away the entire time until its down to 1 second left and its just a big waste of time for everyone involved. If you're so good you make someone give up you need to just beat that person and be on to the next one that might actually challenge you. This community is already so small and I'm just always seeing things from good players that are ensuring it stays that way.
 
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Here's an idea. GO PLAY ANOTHER GAME.

Seriously man... I'm 40, my reflexes/coordination have gone to shit, and I have trouble remembering what comes next after hit 15 in a combo.

And yet I still have fun playing this game. There's nothing wrong with you except your attitude. When you stop fighting and give up you're ruining OTHER people's fun and the fact that you can't even understand that simple fact frankly amazes me. I would expect that of maybe a 15-year old or younger but someone near 30?
Again I say... go play a different game without "long combos" and whatever else you keep whining about incessantly in this thread. Super Street Fighter Turbo HD sounds right up your alley.

Sorry to sound rude about this but seriously... shit or get off the pot already.



You can taunt in this game?

Peacock's taunt is: LK, HK, MP, MP, Up and afteryou do it, the next fully charged Shadow of Impending Doom will always be a Tenrai-Ha.
 
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Going with what the OP said again here, how does us giving up affect anything? People are so much better than us we're basically just training dummies against them. They have no problem doing touch of death 100+ hit combos or mixing us up at the speed of light the entire match but when we have 1% health left and they realize we weren't even playing it somehow inconveniences them? How? I was stuck getting comboed/mixed up for the past 60 seconds straight anyway. As far as quitting this game for another goes, I do play other fighting games. Just because I don't want to take this to an extreme level doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to play it. If its really that bad just do what we're telling you: destroy us (all the way, not down to a sliver of health) and move on to your next fight. Its exactly what we're trying to do as well.
 
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Just because I don't want to take this to an extreme level doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to play it. If its really that bad just do what we're telling you: destroy us (all the way, not down to a sliver of health) and move on to your next fight. Its exactly what we're trying to do as well.

There's a difference between playing a game and just outright not having fun at it, then in turn ruining it for others. Then coming into a forums and when people try repeatedly to explain it to you, you ignore the facts being laid before you and continue to complain like a broken record with lame excuses.

Let me sum this thread up pretty much:


OP: I am no good at the game therefore I give up.

Forum: here's how you get better

OP: But I don't wanna do that or feel I can't.

Me: Then tough shit, move on to something else.

/Thread
 
Here's an idea. GO PLAY ANOTHER GAME.

Seriously man... I'm 40, my reflexes/coordination have gone to shit, and I have trouble remembering what comes next after hit 15 in a combo.

And yet I still have fun playing this game. There's nothing wrong with you except your attitude. When you stop fighting and give up you're ruining OTHER people's fun and the fact that you can't even understand that simple fact frankly amazes me. I would expect that of maybe a 15-year old or younger but someone near 30?
Again I say... go play a different game without "long combos" and whatever else you keep whining about incessantly in this thread. Super Street Fighter Turbo HD sounds right up your alley.

Sorry to sound rude about this but seriously... shit or get off the pot already.


Actually I do quite enjoy SSFTHD, very underrated. But Dhocke made a very good point that I continue to be just as amazed at as you seem to be at me, which is how many members of this already quite small skull girls community would prefer the community get even smaller by trying to talk potential players into quitting, then allow them to concede in a match against some one well above their skill level. Some time this communitty makes me feel like I am 15 as you say and I'm being kicked out of the tree house club cause I cried when some one shoved me and scraped my knee and we can't dare have some one who crys in our exclusive club house. Only tough guys who are covered in scabs and splinters but never complain allowed here. Thankfully you guys don't make up the entire community, but it certainly makes it more difficult for me to want to be a part of said community.

Edit Since you posted more:

And for the record I haven't ignored facts, I may not completely understand players mindsets like yours, but I'm willing to accept you do think that way, so I have since the thread was created spent most of my online time in casual beginner lobbies, fighting CPU AI's in nightmare arcade mode, or just spending time in training mode. When I have played quick matches and been in a similar situation, I've tried practicing my blocking or just continuing to press buttons for moves I know have incredibly slow start ups and tons of cool down frames to encourage punishments. I'm adjusting my play so you guys can feel the joy of completely dominating from beginning to end some one whose obviously well beneath you. That's still no fun for me, but I fun other places, and I don't expect it anymore from quick match now that I know that its not actually trying to match me with some one at my skill level.

Honestly, other then my question as to WHY people did it, that was the biggest thing that was answered for me in this thread, my biggest take away, quick match no longer matches you with similar skilled opponents, so if you want matches of similar skill, lobbies are now your best bet. Despite how you seem to feel, I personally believe we can all play the game the way we want to and enjoy ourselves with out ruining things for each other.
 
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If I may interject, I only do 7 hit combos maximum and I win plenty of matches. I still have fun against someone infinitely better than myself.

The way I see it is you don't want to learn which is fine, but even losing to someone vastly better than you is fun at least they do something flashy to entertain you. I dunno it's all a matter of opinion but I don't see why this should be a valid complaint. If you play the game with friends and they're all terrible like you isn't that enough? I can agree that the matching making system is bonkers but you all seem to ignore the good advice people give and spend the rest of the time complaining. Add other bad players if you have fun with them it's not hard either. I'd gladly teach you how to add them without knowing their names if you want. Just why are you bashing on certain play styles? That's not very nice.
 
HOW is it being ruined for others? As far as what they're doing to us, it doesn't matter if we try to block their mix up or if we just stand there and let it happen. Either way we're GOING to get hit eventually and put into a huge combo or another lightning fast mix up and get killed. We aren't good enough to deal with this so you might as well just let it happen so both you AND your really good opponent can try to get a better fight next time. I personally would like to get a little bit better at this game but not to the level some of you guys are at. But even still I need to be fighting people closer to my level, not people who are just gods compared to me.
 
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When you give up playing the game... you don't want to be part of the community. People here have even offered to coach you and you're still here whining about it. Sorry but the community doesn't need people like you. There I said it.
And that's also the last thing I'm gonna say in this retarded thread as anything else that needs to be said has already been so 10x over.
 
Maybe we don't want to be part of the high level community but we still enjoy playing the game at a lower level. Is it now a sin to want to play a game and not take it all the way to Evo champion status? I can't believe what I'm reading. Again, if fighting us bad people is SO terrible for you, end the match and get it over with. That's the entire point OP and myself are trying to make.
 
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Um I'll just write it down anyway.

It's: hit shift and tab in game and in the "Friends" area you should see "view players" from there go to 'recent games' and then you can go to the profile of that person you enjoyed playing with and you click 'profile' and add them.

I hope that at least helps your gaming experience with Skullgirls.

You're all so blind to your own opinions that you ignore anyone who wants to help so perhaps you won't see this. I tried at least.
 
Yes we all realize that is good advice. We're just saying when we do venture out into quick matches and you get paired up with us, just do both you and us a favor and end the fight.
 
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and I'm just asking to quit being a big whiner and accept your loss by at least trying. :p

We're gonna feel like assholes if it turns out your controller wasn't working at the time. You're just bastardizing kindness and common practices.

EDIT: In all honestly this should just be locked it'll always be stalemate in such a stupid problem.
 
No one is whining. I'm very accepting of my losses. I'm mainly a SSFIV player and there's a lot of dumb things bad players can get away with in that game. So when I play this game and get crushed by a good person I'm glad there's nothing I can do, but I just want to get on to the next fight. As far as the possible unplugged controllers go, thank you for the courtesy, but like I said I've gone against people who actively run away from me when I'm just trying to end the fight and refuse to finish me. Once again, I don't understand how acting like an asshole and dragging the fight on longer than it needs to is something you good people would even decide to do. Why would you not want to end it and fight someone actually worth fighting?
 

I can't say I can vouch for those guys. All I can say is deal with it but that doesn't sound very nice.

Anyway this problem is unsolvable. If you want I can apologize on behalf of everyone but it won't change anything.

Sorry
Love, Every SG player.
 
Well I think the point was to make anyone doing this aware that its a really pointless thing to do and very off putting for new players. I myself don't really plan on taking this game beyond mediocrity (I actually made a post in the beginner forums about this yesterday) but there could be players out there looking to "be part of the community" who are driven away by this kind of thing, leaving an already small/dying game stuck right where it is. So if you don't do this, great, we're not talking to you. If you do do it, you're wasting our time, wasting your time, and driving people away from this game, people who could potentially begin to take it seriously enough to be considered part of the community.
 
Did you at least listen to the song? It was a nice song right? Did you enjoy it?
 
Nah I didn't click it. But see now you're just avoiding everything I said and acting silly about it, so it seems you know I'm right but don't want to admit it for some reason I guess? Anyway I don't come here to often, enjoy killing off your dying game everyone.
 

10 HOURS LET'S GO YOU ENJOYED IT. I KNOW YOU DID.
 
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I think it's time for one of these now.

original
 
I look into this thread and it's still the same scrubs whining. If you don't care about winning and just want to have fun fine. But DONT complain about if your getting beat by people who are working harder than you and are better. The amount of bitching is ridiculous. No more than 3 hit combos? Just, wow, you honestly expect the game should be made to your low levels. I once played megamanDS.

Worst blowup ever.

Got so styled on with the amount of predicting my few moves it wasn't even funny.

You know what I did?

Got inspired.

To git gudder.

Everyday and every match I look at getting destroyed as a learning experience. How can I improve? What do I do to this? That's what playing a game like this is the way it is. Just want to have fun? Fine, enjoy the game as you see fit. Stop crying like a baby though. Grow up.
 
Frankly I agree that this really should be just closed at this point, but to summarize for anyone coming in late to the party:

Why experts taunt beginners?
- They think you're controller is busted, not actually trying to taunt.
- They hate quitters, so they're trying to teach you a lesson, or better yet, hoping to frustrate you into quitting the game entirely as they don't want quitters in their community.
- They take joy not from winning, but from seeing opponents squirm as they dominate you, if you're not squirming, they're not having fun, so they actually feel like you're the jerk.
- They're just jerks in general.

Since none of these type of players are likely to stop doing this that leads us to the next question:

How do I get around this?
- Fake fight back. Some times simply trying to block will be enough to convince them to keep attacking, other times you may need to learn you're characters most punishable attacks and spam those, but just in general do what you can to give you're opponent the false sense that they humiliated some one who was actually trying.
- Don't use quick match, it doesn't actually try to match you with equal skill anymore.
- Instead use casual - beginner lobbies and friend any actual beginner/casuals who join the lobby since experts like to go there too.
- Reach out on these forums to other beginners or kind experts who actually want to see the community grow instead of shrink, like Dime_X, who may give you matches or even training.
 
I look into this thread and it's still the same scrubs whining. If you don't care about winning and just want to have fun fine. But DONT complain about if your getting beat by people who are working harder than you and are better.

I'm not quite sure where you're getting the idea that we're mad about getting beaten. I'm not anyway. I've said multiple times in this thread if someone is better than me they SHOULD be beating me. We're talking about the way people act and treat you if you aren't good. You got beat and wanted to get better? Good for you, that's how I am in other games I play. This game though? I don't care about it enough to take it to a high level, I just want to play it and mess around with a new game. Everyone's argument here seems to be if we aren't trying to win Evo we're the bad guys, its really bizarre.
 
That's a really silly and random post XDDDD Chuck Norris approves of this xDDDD
 
Frankly I agree that this really should be just closed at this point, but to summarize for anyone coming in late to the party:

Why experts taunt beginners?
- They think you're controller is busted, not actually trying to taunt.
- They hate quitters, so they're trying to teach you a lesson, or better yet, hoping to frustrate you into quitting the game entirely as they don't want quitters in their community.
- They take joy not from winning, but from seeing opponents squirm as they dominate you, if you're not squirming, they're not having fun, so they actually feel like you're the jerk.
- They're just jerks in general.

You mind making this side more human? you're kinda demonizing them and that isn't very nice. Try to be civil, guy.
 
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One final thought: I really can't believe that practically no one has said something along the lines of "yeah that's really shitty there's some real assholes in this community but don't let it discourage you."

Instead what we get is:
U DUN LIKE IT DONT PLAY DA GAME
STOP WHINING
GET BETTER NERD U SUCK
IM POSTING OFF TOPIC BULLSHIT INSTEAD OF JUST AGREEING BECAUSE THAT WOULDNT BE VERY ELITIST OF ME

And then you've got this guy talking about "you don't want to be part of the community." HM I WONDER WHY?? I'd come check back in a year to see if any of you have changed your tune but you'll probably have killed this poor game off by then.
 
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You must've ignored my more serious posts. That's exactly what I said. Remember the blindness thing I mentioned earlier? You probably didn't but that's okay. I still love you.
 
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@dhocke

There probably would be something like that but OP made people feel he is condescending toward better players in his first posts, so sorry, no understanding for him. :P I still think there actually were posts like that.

BTW, way to go salty.
 
yeah see? even random guy knows. you just gotta dig.
 
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You mind making this side more human? you're kinda demonizing them and that isn't very nice. Try to be civil, guy.
I was just trying to recall off the top of my head all the arguments I've been given as to why people stopped attacking or even started running away from me in matches over the course of this length thread, in my defense its been quite some time since it was first created. I'd be lying if I said I was impartial and thus could not have possibly put any personal bias into my list, but those were my understandings. The most understandable to me is to think something must be wrong for the other player so giving them a chance to correct it, after that if the others sound "demonized" its only cause that's how the arguments sounded to me, they don't make sense to me so I'm just trying to lay out how I understood things as best I could.

I actively encourage you to improve the list if you wish, maybe I and any who see the thread in the future will better understand the reasoning that way, but regardless again I think this thread really should be just getting closed anyway.

One final thought: I really can't believe that practically no one has said something along the lines of "yeah that's really shitty there's some real assholes in this community but don't let it discourage you."

Instead what we get is:
U DUN LIKE IT DONT PLAY DA GAME
STOP WHINING
GET BETTER NERD U SUCK
IM POSTING OFF TOPIC BULLSHIT INSTEAD OF JUST AGREEING BECAUSE THAT WOULDNT BE VERY ELITIST OF ME

And then you've got this guy talking about "you don't want to be part of the community." HM I WONDER WHY?? I'd come check back in a year to see if any of you have changed your tune but you'll probably have killed this poor game off by then.

It really is a shame how this forum's community seems to come off as I really do love an awful lot about the game itself, but there's no denying at how much of this forum's community seems to be unusually negative and unfriendly to beginners. Don't know what the deal is, but I do want to emphasize that not everyone who posted here was telling me to quit, there are many people in the community who were helpful in this thread and have been nothing but kind and respectful, even encouraging to me, and that's the reason I'm still here or I'd have left this forums for good weeks ago. So I really hope this thread doesn't convince you to quit the game dhocke, I assure there are players here who do know the meaning of encouragement and not just "GTFO".
 
Frankly I agree that this really should be just closed at this point, but to summarize for anyone coming in late to the party:

Why experts taunt beginners?
- They think you're controller is busted, not actually trying to taunt.
- They don't like quitters, so they're trying to give you a chance, or better yet, hoping to inspire you into getting better at the game entirely as they don't want quitters in their community.
- They don't enjoy quitters, but do enjoy seeing opponents actually bother to try as they are being dominated, if you're not trying, they're not having fun, so they actually feel like you're the jerk.
- They're just caring in their own special way in general.

Since none of these type of players are likely to stop doing this that leads us to the next question:

How do I get around this?
- Fake fight back. Some times simply trying to block will be enough to convince them to keep attacking, other times you may need to learn you're characters most punishable attacks and spam those, but just in general do what you can to give you're opponent the false sense that they humiliated some one who was actually trying.
- Don't use quick match, it doesn't actually try to match you with equal skill anymore.
- Instead use casual - beginner lobbies and friend any actual beginner/casuals who join the lobby since experts like to go there too.
- Reach out on these forums to other beginners or kind experts who actually want to see the community grow instead of shrink, like Dime_X, who may give you matches or even training.


Now PC.
 
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So I really hope this thread doesn't convince you to quit the game dhocke, I assure there are players here who do know the meaning of encouragement and not just "GTFO".

The thing is though I'm not really looking to improve. I enjoy the game at the level I'm at and don't intend on getting better, if I do great if not oh well, this is like my 6th string game anyway. But thank you though for being maybe the only rational person in this community and being able to think beyond GIT GUD OR GTFO.
 
I'm kinda curious now, what were you expecting in making this thread? There were countless others trying to help but instead you continued to um... complain? I'm trying not to sound mean but I do anyway. Honestly I'm not sure if consolation would've done anything different. Would you even like the community or the game? (probably but when has any community ever been nice to naysayers?) I just don't understand, there was plenty of help you simply ignored it.

We're both at fault in this, that's for sure.

I'd like a handshake to bury the hatchet (even though I was fooling around the whole time.)
 
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