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Why do experts taunt beginners?

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Well I didn't make the thread but I posted before what my intentions of posting were. Guess I'll go ahead and do it one more time.

I'm just trying to make the people who do this kind of thing aware that its a really pointless thing to do and its only hurting the game you all have taken the time to get good at by driving away potential players. You're better than us, we get it. So much better in fact that I'm basically just a training dummy when I play against you. In a game like this, fighting people better than you basically doesn't even let you play the game. You get stuck in long combos or rapid high/low/left/right/throw mix ups that people like me just can't deal with. And that's fine, I'm not mad at you for being better than me. I just simply want to get on to my next game, and you should to. I still cant figure out what the difference is if I let go of the stick and let you kill me or if you hit me with a blindingly fast mix up. Either way you're insanely better than me, either way I'm going to lose the fight. If you didn't stop around 1% health to check and see if i was still trying or not you'd have no idea I'm up getting a drink instead of watching your combo exhibition. So just end it, why not? Go fight someone else that is worthy of your time and let me get back to having fun fighting random baddies. I'm not upset you're better than me, in fact i congratulate you. Seems like a very hard game to get good at and if you are good at it you must have worked hard.
 
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I think I should change my previous statement from the community being anti-beginner to more being anti-casual. That was probably the main vibe I got from this thread, some people gave suggestions and I took them, but a lot of people continued to post often hateful posts seemingly only intended to drive me out of the community and away from the game purely because my post suggested I wasn't willing to dedicate myself to improving at the game, never considering that players exist who can enjoy a game with out needing to see constant improvement.

As for the goal of the thread, other then the initial goal to simply learn what the thought process was of players who wouldn't just finish me purely from a curiosity point (cause I really didn't, and still to some degree, don't understand the reasoning) I suppose I continued to post in the thread with the goal of making it clear that if you're running away from me or stopping to attack me, you're not "encouraging" me at all, you're only frustrating me, pushing me away from the game, and wasting both of our time. It was never that big of a frustration in game, as I mentioned previously after it happened a few times I learned to keep a book near by to read so they were probably more frustrated then I ever was, but seeing sooooo many people respond so negatively to this post was kind of frustrating and apparently encouraged me to want to better explain myself with the hope of clearing up whatever confusion could have lead to such reactions. I don't really feel I succeeded with anyone, but I did end up making some new friends through the thread and learned about the change to quick match I wasn't aware of, so overall I'm still happy with what I got out of this thread, even if it wasn't entirely what I aimed to get out.
 
Oh and I should add that I wasn't talking to anyone directly. So if you read my post and thought "WELL I DON'T DO THAT" then I wasn't talking to YOU, just in general since no one can ever seem to figure that out.
 
So does that mean the argument can be over? I mean you got what you want (sorta).

I'd say as long no one else for posts this will slowly fall into the abyss.

So 'bout we just do that eh?
Sounds like a plan (even though I sort of instigated this, sorry.)
 
Yeah I mean I don't know if the thread needed to be responded to at all really. Really just kind of needed people to read it and go "oh ok, that makes sense, maybe I shouldn't do that." Instead we're treated like we're just completely insane and get this:

dhocke said:
One final thought: I really can't believe that practically no one has said something along the lines of "yeah that's really shitty there's some real assholes in this community but don't let it discourage you."

Instead what we get is:
U DUN LIKE IT DONT PLAY DA GAME
STOP WHINING
GET BETTER NERD U SUCK
IM POSTING OFF TOPIC BULLSHIT INSTEAD OF JUST AGREEING BECAUSE THAT WOULDNT BE VERY ELITIST OF ME

And then you've got this guy talking about "you don't want to be part of the community." HM I WONDER WHY?? I'd come check back in a year to see if any of you have changed your tune but you'll probably have killed this poor game off by then.

So yeah if this type of thing keeps happening when I play I'll probably just be done with it. Like I said I don't care enough at all to FIGHT THRU IT N GIT GUD, thats not even what the problem is. But beware, community on life support! You could be driving away players that COULD care enough to go further than me. One new player in a game like this is like what a 10% increase in players? Don't drive them away!
 
I kinda wanted it to end in:

"What a swell plan!" but that's good too.
 
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I want it to end in one of your SO CUUUURAZY and SO RANDUM off topic images or youtube songs. Do that for me? I'll give it an official Chuck Norris/Keyboard Cat stamp of TOTALLY EPIC approval.
 
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So does that mean the argument can be over? I mean you got what you want (sorta).

I'd say as long no one else for posts this will slowly fall into the abyss.

So 'bout we just do that eh?
Sounds like a plan (even though I sort of instigated this, sorry.)
Agreed, if anyone wants to debate this matter further for whatever reason, feel free to PM me directly, but this will be my last post in the thread (I'm heading to bed anyway).

As a final thought, I'd like to emphasize one more time what dhocke mentioned earlier. You may not understand casual players, you may not like casual players, but it would behoove you to stop saying "git good or GTFO" to every player who makes a post suggesting they're content with where they're at and have no desire to improve, because if a casual player plays a game long enough, they tend to naturally transition into wanted to improve, but if you force them out while they're still casual with rude forum posts and in game taunting, they're probably never going to reach that point before they lose interest and quit. Thats not good for any community, but its especially bad in a small one.
 
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I'm gonna give it to you in advance, just promise you'll actually post one. I know you're good for it.

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Nah but on a serious note a lot of you guys seem really dumb and I can't believe you could miss our points so consistently and so thoroughly. Like you should just be homeless. How do you even function?

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Your points all seem to be "we can't do anything anyway so why should we bother, everyone's already good why wouldn't they want to win without effort when that's all that'll happen anyway".

You think good players like to see their skills go to waste? "Oh now I can pull off a tough reset that they won't see coming let's see how well it works in battle, sweet it's working! Oh... wait they're not even pressing anything this is pointless." Does that not make sense to you? There is physically no reason for you to stop, this isn't a matter of you getting good, this is a matter of you actually playing the game. I don't go in multiplayer to play single player.

If you're actually complaining about experts going into beginner lobbies then yes they're idiots, just stand there and waste their time, if they back off and wait for time out then consider that waiting time their punishment, stand there tea-bagging the entire match for all I care that lot don't really deserve respect. That isn't, however, what seems to be getting the complaints (not that I've wasted my time reading through all 6 pages of "they're too good so I stop playing", some of which may or may not be irrelevant reaction images from both sides), instead it sounds like you're all playing in quick match and getting beaten up, in which case it's just dumb.

Again with yet another parallel; why would anyone good at Mario want to play it if all they had to do was hold right on the d-pad to finish the level? They may memorise every jump's timing but they play it anyway, it doesn't make it any less challenging, it's just a level of challenge that they are accustomed to. If you don't want to potentially play tough opponents then make yourself a beginner lobby or get some friends with the game to play with you, it's not difficult. I'd like to say the same for people who are good at the game and want to play with other people who are good but evidently many beginners seem to feel expert lobbies are where they belong.

As for the comments that you should play another game, those were directed at a hatred for combos. You're not going to be able to enjoy this game if 3 hits is your optimum combo count because a typical beginner BnB is a least 10 without the use of any super. As soon as they've played the game for 10 hours they are likely to be pumping out significantly higher numbers for their combos. If you don't like meaty combos and you don't like stuff too fast for you to react to then Skullgirls is not the game for you and you should probably look elsewhere for your fix of fun.
 
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Dan, if you consider the time you spent typing comments here over the span of 1 month, you could have learned some BnB combos by then. then maybe an opponent might do the same to you for which you complain about here. I hope you'll finish them gracefully by then.

much less frustrating than arguing here.

I have complaints with the game too but I avoid going so far as to overanalyze things, especially for things where nothing usefull comes out of it. I just post about the short problems that bother me and cant grasp at first glance.

I play casually too. Meaning I owned 3S for years (Dreamcast) yet cant do a single advanced combo with any character. I marvel at the players who can do that stuff and I feel as if all these years I lived in another dimension.

All that trend about endless training, online play, reading guides and watching videos never got into me. Followed it for 2 years to cover the lost ground. But when I reached a stage where I had to devote more time and energy to level up I stopped and now I play with what I can remember.

I prefer slower fighters like SS2 and SF2 (no turbo version)
 
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PJBottoms said:
There's a difference between playing a game and just outright not having fun at it, then in turn ruining it for others. Then coming into a forums and when people try repeatedly to explain it to you, you ignore the facts being laid before you and continue to complain like a broken record with lame excuses.

Let me sum this thread up pretty much:

OP: I am no good at the game therefore I give up.

Forum: here's how you get better

OP: But I don't wanna do that or feel I can't.

Me: Then tough shit, move on to something else.

/Thread

This right here. Time to close the thread, gg people.
 
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DanTheMeek said:
Agreed, if anyone wants to debate this matter further for whatever reason, feel free to PM me directly, but this will be my last post in the thread (I'm heading to bed anyway).

As a final thought, I'd like to emphasize one more time what dhocke mentioned earlier. You may not understand casual players, you may not like casual players, but it would behoove you to stop saying "git good or GTFO" to every player who makes a post suggesting they're content with where they're at and have no desire to improve, because if a casual player plays a game long enough, they tend to naturally transition into wanted to improve, but if you force them out while they're still casual with rude forum posts and in game taunting, they're probably never going to reach that point before they lose interest and quit. Thats not good for any community, but its especially bad in a small one.
You can just find someone around your level to play with, rather than playing in an environment where everyone else seem 20x better than you and all you can do is let go of your controller. I think a few beginner Skullgirls group exist on Steam.

Also, to put things in perspective, when people spam teabag, they are taunting. When they stop moving because you stop moving, that's not taunting.
 
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DanTheMeek said:
Agreed, if anyone wants to debate this matter further for whatever reason, feel free to PM me directly, but this will be my last post in the thread (I'm heading to bed anyway).

As a final thought, I'd like to emphasize one more time what dhocke mentioned earlier. You may not understand casual players, you may not like casual players, but it would behoove you to stop saying "git good or GTFO" to every player who makes a post suggesting they're content with where they're at and have no desire to improve, because if a casual player plays a game long enough, they tend to naturally transition into wanted to improve, but if you force them out while they're still casual with rude forum posts and in game taunting, they're probably never going to reach that point before they lose interest and quit. Thats not good for any community, but its especially bad in a small one.


My last input on this thread just because it needs to be said.

I AM a casual player.

I AM NOT great at the game...

You have the nerve to ask people to understand "casual players" yet you are making NO ATTEMPT WHATSOEVER to try to understand "competitive" or "serious" players. It works both ways which you can't seem to understand after many have tried (numerous times) to explain it to you.

So keep playing that poor victim card. The community is better off without people with your attitude. I'd rather the community be smaller than be represented by ignorant (and constantly whining) fucktards.

/thread
 
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this thread fails on so many levels its like a skyscraper of fail.... with basement garage.
 
Fighting games are hard games to begin with, getting better skill wise is a goal in itself and is the main reason why we play. In order to become an intermediate skill level, you cannot treat fighting games casually and must dedicate a lot time and practice into this hobby.

It's hard to be nice/polite all the time when people ask for advice because the number of beginners and/or casuals will always over weigh the number of experienced/serious players. People ask for advice all the time for essentially the same thing. How to get better, "how to be good". Improving is an abstract concept with no clear or linear direction and comes from an accumulation of personal experience. You cannot teach someone to be good, per say; only guide them because at the end of the day the player has to: apply what has been said, troubleshoot, retain, then repeat with a new concept. So both the instructor and beginner get frustrated with the slow pace of improvement that negative attitudes develop. Which in this case, is negative comments toward you/beginners.

OP, I understand where you're coming from. Skullgirls is not an easy game, I actually bought it day 1 and didn't play it for about a year because of the large barrier of entry to become "okay" at the game. If it wasn't for Zidiane's Cerebella guide, I honestly wouldn't be a skullgirls player right now. However, improvement is caused from one's self, you don't need to ask much questions when the answers can be found through research and studying of videos: which include tutorials and actual match videos. Eventually roadblocks will occur and the next obstacle to improvement isn't clear. Take a break and come back and view the game with a new perspective of what you aren't doing correctly or not doing at all and then ask for help.

Cliff notes: it's meditation brah
 
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I had a similar situation to you ^ when I went to casuals at my university for AE and one person asked me for advice, when I myself am a complete beginner. I couldn't tell him anything because I suck, I felt bad that I couldn't tell him. I just play lots of fighting games and I guess that gives me some experience over beginners but even I myself don't know how the game works.
 
I recently started playing as well, and I also get my butt kicked in quickmatches.
I find that I've learned really fast playing against "experts" and I appreciate them
sticking around when they see I'm just a nooby.

After a an hour or two of losing, it can get frustrating/disheartening. And I do find myself
feeling the need to stop trying during a difficult match sometimes. Usually the other player
stops as well and let's me try again. (I'm not sure why, but it's nice.)

My advice to you is to not take their "aggression" so personally, since in this game it's
very easy for the tables to be turned on you, and it's mostly out of habit I'm sure.
 
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