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Fire Emblem

Apparently, due to how the the systems for avoiding death work, Xander <aka Marx> and Lazward/Inigo will ALWAYS die in the Hoshido game
 
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I'm actually really surprised how well they handle some of the support conversations.
Some are really touching and well written, although some are still stupid (Camilla's)
Marx's S-rank conversation probably does the whole incest thing the best out of all of the siblings.
It's not as much of a matter of "incest is hot wow" as the other ones seem to be.

They seem to be much better then Awakening's so far, which is what I was hoping for, but apparently the A-S transition is still pretty jarring.
 
goddammit just give us an option to choose between platonic and romantic S-Ranks already goddammit
 
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Oh man, if you could have a platonic S-Rank with multiple people in exchange for no kids

time to friendzone everyone in the game
 
except not-Tharja.
her love will always find a way.
always.
and sometimes, her love gets her kids galeforce.
 
Meow-Professor said:
I'm actually really surprised how well they handle some of the support conversations.
Some are really touching and well written, although some are still stupid (Camilla's)

That actually makes me pretty happy. I think I can go into this more enthusiastically now.

I'm the kind of person who doesn't mind skipping over flaws if there's something worth experiencing in a game. I'll play a game with shitty story/music/aesthetics if the gameplay is really great, and I'll play a game with mediocre gameplay if the story/aesthetic/music is really good (assuming playing it is necessary to experiencing the story properly, otherwise I'd just watch a longplay on Youtube).

If the supports and characters are mostly well written and the overall plot is fine, I don't mind just ignoring the parts that are stupid. Gameplay being good is kind of a given. Kind of a shame their adding something dumb to an otherwise good experience, but eh, whatcha gonna do.
 
Squire Grooktook said:
That actually makes me pretty happy. I think I can go into this more enthusiastically now.

I'm the kind of person who doesn't mind skipping over flaws if there's something worth experiencing in a game. I'll play a game with shitty story/music/aesthetics if the gameplay is really great, and I'll play a game with mediocre gameplay if the story/aesthetic/music is really good (assuming playing it is necessary to experiencing the story properly, otherwise I'd just watch a longplay on Youtube).

If the supports and characters are mostly well written and the overall plot is fine, I don't mind just ignoring the parts that are stupid. Gameplay being good is kind of a given. Kind of a shame their adding something dumb to an otherwise good experience, but eh, whatcha gonna do.
I suppose that's true, the gameplay just seems to get more and more promising.
That's really the only reason I'm giving this game a chance. If this wasn't a series that I basically always know while be fantastic in the gameplay department, I wouldn't bother with the stupid stuff they're going to make me have to put up with.

Anyways, yeah, imagine the Awakening supports but done really well. The writing is much more natural and it's a bit more consequential.
I have a feeling it's still going to have a few really, really bad ones, though. Camilla's for instance, again.

So, I suppose I'll ask this again, since so much more has been revealed about each route: which one are you going to buy?
Turns out the E-shop download isn't going to be the both-routes version people were expecting, it's still got the choice.
I think I'll actually settle for Nohr now. While Hoshido's story seems to be a bit more intense, Hoshido kills off a few characters I really wanted, including who I wanted to marry, and I like the Nohr gameplay a bit more.
I know I'll end up buying both, though.
 
Everyone will probably turn out to be alive in the third path.

And there will be a box for all three paths about half a year after the game is out, so I may just wait.
 
I'm sticking with Hoshido because I like that Japanese-ass-lookin' style.
that and because maybe-oni waifu and the second coming of Tharja are also there.
 
Dr.Sanity said:
Okay, look, I know the gay marriage thing is a step in the right direction, but holy shit these character choices were TERRIBLE.
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This is NOT how you introduce different sexualities into a game series people.

The ironic thing is I was just talking about the same sex marriage options the other day with a good friend of mine who is gay. He was pretty excited about the option being there and hope that the character would be a "nice boy who would be kind to his character", much like what everyone would want in any relationship (real or in game). He didn't want someone abusive or an asshole. I feel really bad for him that he is getting the exact opposite of what he wants (or like I said, like anyone would really want).

Back on topic, this will probably be one of those games where I will do multiple runs back to back. I'm going with Hoshido first, Nohr, then neutral. Speaking of the neutral option, that is coming out in JP in July.
 
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theonlypie314 said:
The ironic thing is I was just talking about the same sex marriage options the other day with a good friend of mine who is gay. He was pretty excited about the option being there and hope that the character would be a "nice boy who would be kind to his character", much like what everyone would want in any relationship (real or in game). He didn't want someone abusive or an asshole. I feel really bad for him that he is getting the exact opposite of what he wants (or like I said, like anyone would really want).

Back on topic, this will probably be one of those games where I will do multiple runs back to back. I'm going with Hoshido first, Nohr, then neutral. Speaking of the neutral option, that is coming out in JP in July.


I say both of you are exaggerating. The developer is doing steps in a different direction, and that's already commendable. Frankly, This isn't something that breaks a game plot.

And it's still better than the "everyone is gay for you because you're the main character" route taken in Dragon Age Inquisition
 
Sarja will be fine because she's just Tharja so people will love her just fine.

Other guy is interesting and just because he's a sadistic asshole on his job doesn't mean he's like that to his lover.

There are tons of examples of people in games who are cruel but wonderful to their loved ones.
 
DukeMagus said:
I say both of you are exaggerating. The developer is doing steps in a different direction, and that's already commendable. Frankly, This isn't something that breaks a game plot.

And it's still better than the "everyone is gay for you because you're the main character" route taken in Dragon Age Inquisition
It really doesn't matter if it breaks a game plot, it's more "does it create a negative image" kind of thing. And while it seems that the dialogue in the game might address this, I can guarantee that many, MANY gamers (and non gamers especially) will look at their descriptions online and simply dislike them without a second thought.

Really it's the lack of a generally good person whom you can s-rank as the same sex that's getting people hot and bothered. Which is understandable, you generally want the group you're apart of to have not somewhat overly negative qualities from the get go. (Also the whole, you know, considerably easier to go the incest route part)

Uh, also, why is it better than Inquisition? Didn't that game only have 8 characters you could do it with anyway?

iLoli said:
There are tons of examples of people in games who are cruel but wonderful to their loved ones.
Yeah, but when they're the ONLY examples of people of a certain group, it tends to stir up trouble.
 
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I mean the protagonist is part of that group also
and they're a pretty upstanding person
 
"Stir up trouble" should not be indicative of "nintendo are homophobes".

I don't like when people lack enough intelligence or don't use enough of the intelligence they have to not see that.

Not that I am saying you're doing that, but people REALLY like to do that.

I mean, there's a boy who straight up dresses like a girl later on in the game, I think he's someone's kid.

He seems timid, so if I see a ton of people saying "not all men who dress like women are timid!", well no fucking shit, Sherlock. This one is, though.

Everyone wanting to be represented VS. The artists creative vision.

I side with the latter every time.
 
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DukeMagus said:
And it's still better than the "everyone is gay for you because you're the main character" route taken in Dragon Age Inquisition

I dunno man, unless you're trying to make an artsy dating sim where the goal is to make the player feel like shit, I don't see why not.

After all, in Awakening everyone was straight for you because you were the main character, I say blow all the options open.
 
TheMightyBox said:
I dunno man, unless you're trying to make an artsy dating sim where the goal is to make the player feel like shit, I don't see why not.

After all, in Awakening everyone was straight for you because you were the main character, I say blow all the options open.
i had a discussion about this with a friend the other night.

I mean, if those characters are gay, then cool, make them datable, but it'd be weird to twist a character's sexual orientation in a story driven game. Their choice is a part of their character, so let their character rock.
 
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However, if their sexuality is never explicity stated or heavily hinted at, then why would it matter? Even in a story-driven game. If its an accepted type of thing and is written so they could go either way and still be the same character, then there wouldn't be a problem. Not saying that isn't gonna be what happens, but eh.
 
iLoli said:
I mean, if those characters are gay, then cool, make them datable, but it'd be weird to twist a character's sexual orientation in a story driven game. Their choice is a part of their character, so let their character rock.
Wait is that what happened in Inquisition? I thought they were just gay or bi and that's it. You force them to be gay for you or something?

Ruin said:
I mean the protagonist is part of that group also
and they're a pretty upstanding person
Uh, not to be a downer or something, but the whole "your avatar can s-rank with the youngest adolescent sister they were raised with since birth" kinda puts their credibility on thin ice.
 
North888 said:
However, if their sexuality is never explicity stated or heavily hinted at, then why would it matter? Even in a story-driven game. If its an accepted type of thing and is written so they could go either way and still be the same character, then there wouldn't be a problem. Not saying that isn't gonna be what happens, but eh.
True, but then you'd kind of have to write around it for certain characters, like Tharja and Viviron and Sumia and Cherce( I think Cherce was the on who had a crush on Chrome, or was that the other red headed girl with a flying mount), and for characters whose need is for their race to live on(such as panne and nowi), and for characters who need a "birthright" considering the setting of these games, etc. etc.

Not that I'm saying you couldn't write around all of these, I'm a shitty writer and I could do it at a passing glance, but it seems like it's a thing you shouldn't need to worry about.

If they're gay they're gay if they're bi they're bi if they're straight they're straight.
 
Dr.Sanity said:
Wait is that what happened in Inquisition? I thought they were just gay or bi and that's it. You force them to be gay for you or something?


Uh, not to be a downer or something, but the whole "your avatar can s-rank with the youngest adolescent sister they were raised with since birth" kinda puts their credibility on thin ice.
From what I remember, there were characters you couldn't romance if you were the same sex, and characters you could only romance if you were the same sex.

Unless you're bull, everyone rides the bull.

Inquisition did it fine, from my memory.
 
Hmm, maybe it's better to look at this from a passerby's viewpoint who isn't familiar with the series and how it typically works. Because I mean really, the main point of these same sex marriage additions to bring in members of that group who haven't played the series yet.
*ahem*
NINTENDO ANNOUNCES SAME SEX MARRIAGE IN NEW FIRE EMBLEM GAMES

Queer person: Oh wow, that's great. That's so nice of Nintendo to do that for-

ONLY TWO CHARACTERS HAVE BEEN MADE FOR THE SAME SEX MARRIAGE FEATURE. ONLY ONE OF THEM ARE FOUND PER GAME.

Queer person: O-oh... Uh, no, that's fine, that's fine. It's a step in a good direction, after all. So who are the characters again? I just want to know which version they're-

THE MALE IS IN NOHR AND IS A SADIST. THE FEMALE IS IN HOSHIDA AND IS EXTEMELY PREJUDICED AND STALKY.

Queer person: Uh... Maybe I shouldn't... do that. Hmm.

But really, the end all be all problem that's fueling all of the negativity around Fire Emblem Fates is the incest. From what I can tell you can S-rank before it's discovered you aren't really blood related to either, so it's basically incest.

This same-sex marriage thing probably would have received some of the negativity it's receiving now anyway (due to misleading announcements and missteps in who you can do it with and/or the work you must put in to get to them), but not as much if it weren't for the incest part. Why?

It's "I have two options for same sex marriage" versus "I have eight options for questionable sibling romance" is the problem to people.
 
Dr.Sanity said:
It's "I have two options for same sex marriage" versus "I have eight options for questionable sibling romance" is the problem to people.
if it's anything like awakening, you can ealy on, but you have to really go out of your way to do that.
like, it takes extensive battles and I'm sure the plot twist of your character will be revealed early on, meaning you'd REALLY have to go out of your way to do that.
 
Nope, fuck those guys.

Fuck the type of guys who judge things solely on passing glances.

I don't want to give people like that a single inch, so I won't.

Also you technically have 4 romance sibling options *cough cough* and even then, weren't you kidnapped or some shit, that is not adoption, those are not your siblings, your ass got Stockholm Syndromed as a child.

I really don't get people who have to have their avatar look like a clone of themselves to "feel included".

I'm a "minority", I don't care that a "minority" person is in fire emblem, I don't feel excluded, why would I be?

You can play awakening just fine without ever seeing Morgan if you didn't want to.

But back to "the passerby". I have never once been a "passerby", heard something, then not asked for more context, if people don't want to play the game because the homosexual options are limited, that's cool, I understand that, but if people want to judge it before they try them, fuck them.

Also, it's 2 siblings a guy can marry, 2 siblings a girl can marry and 1 homosexual to a game.

Not, 4 siblings 1 homosexual, because you have to be a different sex than xander to marry him, same with hinoka and sakura and elise and camiilia and etc.
 
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Different posts to clear things up.

Dr.Sanity, you're insinuating that these are not character traits that homosexuals want in their video game partner, but that's "some homosexuals", some want to marry the sadistic ass or the stalky chick, did I wish there were more of 1 in each game, sure.

I would never hang out with Audrey from Honiepop in reality, because it's reality, but I love doing it in game.

Like, it wouldn't be inherently better if the two homosexuals were goody two shoes nice people.
 
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if it's anything like awakening, you can ealy on, but you have to really go out of your way to do that.
like, it takes extensive battles and I'm sure the plot twist of your character will be revealed early on, meaning you'd REALLY have to go out of your way to do that.
On the Nohr route, you have a linear campaign with no opportunities to grind in between (ie classic Fire Emblem, not Gaiden/Sacred Stones/Awakening).

Which means an early S-Rank support will likely be outright impossible.

I think the incest and petting is terribad too, but eh, it's a minor part of what's looking to be all around great game otherwise. Gameplay sounds great, story sounds cool, music is great. At some point you just have to get over it and play the damn game. Otherwise have fun missing out on a legitimately fun experience.
 
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Squire Grooktook said:
On the Nohr route, you have a linear campaign with no opportunities to grind in between (ie classic Fire Emblem, not Gaiden/Sacred Stones/Awakening).

Which means an early S-Rank support will likely be outright impossible.
Unless there is ALOT of killing.

And I forsee that.
 
How early is chapter 5 in a Fire Emblem game? (This is a legitimate question)
 
iLoli said:
Unless there is ALOT of killing.

And I forsee that.

It's not so much about how much killing, as how high they set the support rate too (ie how much time units need to spend adjacent to eachother)

Dr.Sanity said:
How early is chapter 5 in a Fire Emblem game? (This is a legitimate question)

Tutorial level? I've never heard of anybody even getting a 2nd tier support in that much time though.

Although that depends on how they name chapters vs missions. chapter 2 Mission 5 ? I dunno.
 
it's probably gonna be about your first few hours
you need to positively GRIND support affection to get an S-Rank by then though
 
Dr.Sanity said:
How early is chapter 5 in a Fire Emblem game? (This is a legitimate question)
Depends on the fire emblem game.

Can go from mid game to late midgame to.......Well, Awakening had like 30 chapters or something like that.

@Squire Grooktook considering one of the draws for this game is waifus and husbandos and you can have children, I think the rate will be considerably high.
 
Most fire emblem games (that I've played) have ~25 chapters or something similar
 
The thing is I though it was confirmed that the amount of missions or things to do in chapters is twice as much as Awakening per game.

I don't know I just assumed that could be enough time to get to there.
 
I think the earlier stuff had less chapters, but they quickly shot up to like 25 plus.
 
iLoli said:
considering one of the draws for this game is waifus and husbandos and you can have children, I think the rate will be considerably high.

They need to space it out though for the game. I'd predict it'll be like Awakening: You'll be able to go for your first pairing 1/3rd of the way through the game. More if you weren't spending a lot of time with your mate.

My Avatar got S-Rank with Chrom right before the last chapter of the Gangrel campaign, but they were basically the powerhouses who were demolishing everything side by side for the entire first third of the game. After that, the other characters didn't start reaching S Rank and marrying till about the end of the Wallhart campaign.
 
Squire Grooktook said:
They need to space it out though for the game. I'd predict it'll be like Awakening: You'll be able to go for your first pairing 1/3rd of the way through the game. More if you weren't spending a lot of time with your mate.

My Avatar got S-Rank with Chrom right before the last chapter of the Gangrel campaign, but they were basically the powerhouses who were demolishing everything side by side for the entire first third of the game.
Depends on which version of the game.

If we're playing birthright, we can just reeking box it up.

If it's Conquest, I dunno, maybe the rate will be higher in conquest.

We still dunno how the third route is going to work.
 
I'm pretty sure all three paths have been confirmed to be 28 chapters long each(including the pre-choice chapters, not including the numerous sidequests).

Also I've been following the spoilers that have come from the datamining, so if you have questions I can spoiler/PM most of them.
 
i wonder what the DLC is gonna be. We know of the third route, and I suspect it will come with an 'unlock' feature to allow normal games to play both routes...

But is there anything else planned?
 
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