Skullgirls Beta Aug 5th Patch Discussion

Discussion in 'Gameplay General' started by Liam, Aug 6, 2016.

  1. Liam

    Liam ... Administrator

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    Double
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    Here is the document that is updated every time a new patch arrives.
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    This is not the thread for shit posting.
    This is not the thread for bug reports unrelated to the beta.
    This is not the thread for general SG discussion.
    This is not the thread for asking questions that have already been answered elsewhere.
    This is not the thread for posting random and suggestions without explaining why you think the change is necessary or worth investigating.

    That's not to say that a change without explanation is a BAD change, such as someone randomly posting:
    "Hey can we let Peacock cancel her first bomb toss into L/M/H teleport?"
    "Can Fukua have two fireballs?"
    "Can Valentine have a buffer window after Bypass?"

    Those could / can be really good changes, but please explain WHY the change should be implemented and tested, or at the very least be prepared to explain yourself.

    I'm going to be moving off topic posts to General Gameplay Discussion or their other relevant threads from now on.

    This thread is for beta discussion.
    Please take other stuff elsewhere.

    Thanks!
     
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2016
  2. Ninja

    Ninja [Jazzy Diamonds]

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    Cerebella
    hmmmmmmm...

    yeah I guess.

    Oh well At least I can now punch the shadows. I've always hated that I would sometime do a MP. Brass Knuckle on a Fukua only to get tripped by the shadow just before my fist reached her face.
     
  3. Grangach

    Grangach MUSCLE POWER

    Steam:
    Grangach
    PSN:
    slorchbeast
    Filia
    Cerebella
    Big Band
    I wish it fully removed unbirthdays, I really don't like that they take away decision making. I'm really glad he made another pass though!
     
  4. Saske

    Saske yeah dude

    Steam:
    Saske40
    PSN:
    u
    XBL:
    thought
    Cerebella
    Double
    Eliza
    i'm totally okay with the monster changes but i wish this would work again ;_;

     
  5. Ninja

    Ninja [Jazzy Diamonds]

    Location:
    Unknown
    Big Band
    Cerebella
    nope sorry. you gotta do early devil horns now to get that follow up.
     
  6. cloudKing211

    cloudKing211 King of White Puffs

    Location:
    New Jersey, United States
    Steam:
    akiraxion
    PSN:
    cloudKing211
    Valentine
    Unknown
    Double
    MIKE YOU KILLED FILIA
    STAHP

    This refers to filia s.hp change killing all my combos

    edit: @Mike_Z
     
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  7. Receita Federal

    Receita Federal 300ms Member

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    Valentine
    Double
    Big Band
    Btw for valentine players, i cant backdash airdash grab anymore, at least not consistently. what is the reason? i would like to know since with the new backdash airdash, fake overheads with airgrab would be better
     
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  8. Liam

    Liam ... Administrator

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    Patch makes the (Missile > Cannon > Combo) SO easy.
    sMK + Assist + Missiles x Cannon and you've got your extension.
    Here's an example.

    Still very reasonable damage post patch but not hitting for 10,000 like this combo did before.
    The easy conversions from missiles are much nicer than the damage.



    Also here's the damage I was getting with Parasoul now using Bikes:

     
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  9. cloudKing211

    cloudKing211 King of White Puffs

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    akiraxion
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    Valentine
    Unknown
    Double
    I dont get it either

    Also on painwheel new airdash height has j.hks both hits able to combo and hit crossup on sameside
     
  10. Ninja

    Ninja [Jazzy Diamonds]

    Location:
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    Big Band
    Cerebella
    i'm a little sad. I wanted to be able to use LK A Train Mid-screen with the aid of an assist to help convert off of it thanks to the new decrease on recovery frames but... it's not meant to be. I forgot that like out of all of the possible assists only a few kinda work with BB's wonky timing on his Lk A Train.

    bleg...

    But I love the new Head Drones, they are great!
     
  11. gllt

    gllt Dedicated

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    Valentine
    Cerebella
    Big Band
    Show Spoiler



     
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  12. hilaryyy

    hilaryyy Active Member

    same.

    Also don't get consistent Filia dash under ground-to-air sHP conversions anymore. It affects BnB which can be compensated for with different routes, but AA sHP jHP jLP will whiff on the jLP where it was really consistent before. :(

    Fukua is something. I'd be interested to see L-Clone release + Eliza Axe assist, or H-clone release on uncombo for forced chickenblock into cmd grab not unlike bella sHP > MGR?
     
  13. Cadenza

    Cadenza Documentation Expert

    Steam:
    http://steamcommunity.com/id/moon_cadenza
    Parasoul
    Filia
    Double
    Guys, please remember to play the beta with an open mind.
    Reason i said this is because of several instances where i asked for a match and i gotten undesirable answers + reasons.

    So far i find the patch very interesting in regards to the character i am playing. i'll talk about it more tomorrow i guess
     
  14. Liam

    Liam ... Administrator

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    Just played 100 matches with MMDS.
    Fukua vs Robo feels so nice because their damage is so low, it's great ;_;7

    I wish everyone had garbage damage.

    I'll come in with the hot feedback for later.

    Mine is ridiculous, I love it.
     
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  15. JDbbx

    JDbbx Active Member

    Valentine
    Cerebella
    I'm experiencing a beta-only training mode bug

    when the select button is set to "both" (savestate + record/playback) a first select saves the state and gives me control of the opponent (pause icon in top right) but i can't record, pressing select more times just continually brings up the "pause" icon instead of the recording one. Anyone else experiencing this?

    EDIT: I have also tried this in retail version with same teams, palettes and stage and it works fine there

    EDIT EDIT: apparently it's happening for Mr Peck too so maybe we'll just @Mike_Z


    EDIT EDIT EDIT: OOPS http://skullheart.com/index.php?thr...mmy-continues-playback-after-load-state.9053/

    DISREGARD THIS MESSAGE
     
    Last edited: Aug 6, 2016
  16. Cattfish

    Cattfish Active Member

    Location:
    Charlotte, VT
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    IBelieveIn720
    Robo Fortune
    Double
    So fukua people, what are you guys coming up with for air grab setups so far? Is there time to shadow after the knockdown?
     
  17. Cadenza

    Cadenza Documentation Expert

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    Parasoul
    Filia
    Double
    Easily. By tonight i'll do a massive write up of whats up
     
  18. Fuego

    Fuego :fire:

    BB's j.mk "nerf" seems unnecessarily cruel to those who've already practiced the combos.

    like, if you can time that shit on lights, you deserve to be able to do it
     
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  19. Zidiane

    Zidiane Doing my best

    Location:
    Rhode Island
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    Zidiane
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    zidiane5
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    Zidiane
    Cerebella
    It was a dumb combo.
     
  20. Pickles

    Pickles VT scene?

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    Pickles (/id/shamanlord)
    PSN:
    PS_Shamanlord (but I rarely use this for SG)
    Filia
    Double
    Unknown
    so far I've mostly only been doing filia stuff so I can get depressed over what doesn't work anymore, and though pretty much everyone seems to already be saying it sucks I will confirm that yes it sucks. midscreen combos aside, any resets off otg c.lk s.hp dont work anymore because they are way too high. a lot of winnie's corner stuff doesn't work anymore either. I haven't had problems picking up off antiair s.hp yet but maybe its cause I only ever use j.hp adc j.lk instead of adc j.lp.

    Dont really know anything about robo (but obviously she seems very good now, missiles are OD) but regarding fukua/double I feel like as point characters they will be more or less the same (puddle jail got nerfed which is fine) but as anchor characters they will be noticeably weaker. Double doesn't get to do as much with bar as she used to with monster's utility as a "make-things-safe" tool nerfed (and there's no real reason to hoard 5 bars for her anymore), and Fukua was just a ton of nerfs besides the shadow change, which while cool and makes me want to actually play the character, seems like you need an assist to really set up shadow stuff. Not that I think any of these changes are unfair or that double/fukua didn't deserve nerfs just my thoughts.
     
  21. NaminoriTwister

    NaminoriTwister New Member

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    Squigly
    Parasoul
    I like 159man's BB combo, but is it so much annoying?
     
  22. Mr Peck

    Mr Peck that UK Peacock player Lab Zero

    Location:
    Guildford, UK
    Peacock
    Robo Fortune
    I can't speak Japanese so I don't know what these tweets say, but maybe they help explain things?
     
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  23. fenster

    fenster Stop Bugging me about Avatars ;_;

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    Parasoul
    The combo was super long and annoying, it gave me flashbacks to SDE Val Combos. It was fun to do, but I can only watch jMKx2 4 times in the same combo for only so long.
     
  24. Zidiane

    Zidiane Doing my best

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    Rhode Island
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    Zidiane
    PSN:
    zidiane5
    XBL:
    Zidiane
    Cerebella
    Messing around with Fukua. Her shadow setups seem super good. She can end in BFF and have time to call it, call assist, and crossup.

    Combo ending in BFF: 5700
    Followup M shadow loop (after assist+shadow hits): 2800
    Combo ender after BFF mixup: 4300
    Combo ender after M shadow loop: 4700

    It's a lot better than it was, damage wise. Combo into BFF+followup hard-to-blockable+correct guess on m shadow loop hits around 13k, and will probably kill the same ration with a dhc. It builds a bar, so dhc means this general bff+oki+reset string works if you start at 2 bars.
     
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  25. NaminoriTwister

    NaminoriTwister New Member

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    Twister88
    Ms. Fortune
    Squigly
    Parasoul
    Earlfriend says the nerf doesn't mean MikeZ feels annoying against 159man himself or the combo just because HE does.

    Many JPN SG players showed respect for 159man's skill and effort to investigate the combo, and some took the jMK nerf as like disgusting mood on him.
    They also didn't feel happy with the phrase "annoying" on the changes list, maybe as same as the nerf itself.

    *Corrected the translation from the previous one.
     
    Last edited: Aug 6, 2016
  26. Fumako

    Fumako Jimbob

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    The Medici's Cellar
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    Fumako
    PSN:
    Fumako
    Big Band
    Peacock
    Is this the place to say this?
    Can't get the latest endless beta, current endless beta is new with no previous history of installation on the machine.
    Things I tested to make sure it's not updated and I'm not just incompetent:
    - Can't do untaunted SSJ with taunt by holding P during superflash
    - Can't hold Fukua shadow
    - "Version Mismatch" on lobby

    E:
    I FORGOT TO MENTION, I'M ON MAC
     
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  27. missingno

    missingno Bird/Normal

    Location:
    PA
    Steam:
    /id/MegaMissingno
    Valentine
    Robo Fortune
    Parasoul
    Looks like there's no Linux build? :(
     
  28. Burpinator

    Burpinator The Red Mage Fighter

    Steam:
    Burpinator
    PSN:
    N/A
    XBL:
    N/A
    Squigly
    Parasoul
    Big Band
    I wonder how much of a field day the guys who does the BnBs in the general compendium feel now that they will need to update some of those BnB's. For me this just means ending the BB BnB a bit more earlier :P
     
  29. Duckator

    Duckator Well-Known Member Evo Champ '12 & '13

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    This change broke button dashing with Val off of backdash.
    If you do LP+MP to airdash you will always get a jLP.
     
  30. cloudKing211

    cloudKing211 King of White Puffs

    Location:
    New Jersey, United States
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    akiraxion
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    cloudKing211
    Valentine
    Unknown
    Double
    You cannot airthrow out of backdash airdash now, and sometimes if you dont let go of forward before pushing a button it doesnt come out
     
  31. Pen_Ninja

    Pen_Ninja New Member

    Val backdash > airdash > air throw is still possible but it looks like there's some sort of glitch here...

    The throw comes out if you plink LP and LK but not if you press them at the same time.
    Already tweeted this at Mike, hope it's fixed next patch.

    Also experiencing j.LP if I try to do the airdash with LP+MP.
     
  32. fenster

    fenster Stop Bugging me about Avatars ;_;

    Location:
    Indianapolis, Indiana
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    fensterSA
    Parasoul
    Parasoul sHP I'm getting -3 for 1 hit, and -1 for the second hit, not -2 for both as it says in the notes

    Umm, that thread doesn't really say what the solution to this is. Is there something wrong here? It's still busted for me over here and dunno if there's some solution I'm missing. Does this mean you can use the "Both" command to
     
    Last edited: Aug 6, 2016
  33. Lex

    Lex Skill pending

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    Scotland, UK
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    Lex
    PSN:
    Ilexyellowdog
    Valentine
    Filia
    Double
    I think jd just posted that thread to show it had already been reported.
    Also, for a work around you can do the recording and savestate separately. So, record the input for the dummy you want, then do the savestate you want and then swap to both and it'll play the recording at that savestate. Not ideal, but it's something.
     
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  34. FXFGamer

    FXFGamer New Member

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    Cerebella
    Ms. Fortune
    Playing this game since it's release back in 2012 and I kept my Dualshock 3 when moving from PS3 to PC. With the most recent patch we've recieved a new mechanic for a character I was playing on my team. Fukua. This new mechanic allows her to delay her shadows as much as she wants by simply holding the input. This is the same mechanic that Peacock has in her Shadow of Impending Doom. I've tried various times to step up my game when playing Peacock, but couldn't as this mechanic is way too hard to hard to pull off in controllers like the ones the consoles have. And the times I actually could, I'd get my fingers screaming in pain after a short ammount of matches. Due to that I ended up developing a small tendinitis, problem which was solved shortly after. I don't want to be forced to drop another character, so I'm providing this issue a possible solution (which I'm sure console players will support).

    Using Peacock as an example, let's say I'm doing a combo that requires Medium Shadow of Impending Doom to be held for the full duration. Using the controller I mentioned above, my only way of doing this and not losing the capability of attacking with LP, LK, MP, or wasting a macro to use my left hand instead of my right one is to press MK with the side of my index finger in a hook-like shape and holding it firmly causing a rather annoying ammount of pain. However, what if I could just press the button for a few frames and leave it there, only to be pressed back again and drop the item for me? That would help me a lot health-wise. And what if I want the item to drop instantly? Simply implement the mechanic that Valentine and Cerebella have in their Dead Cross and j.HP respectively.

    This change I'm proposing should affect at least Peacock's Shadow of Impending Doom and Fukua's Forever a Clone at the very least. Let's say I want Peacock to drop an item as soon as possible. Simply press the input extremely quickly to drop the item as soon as it possibely can. What if I want to decide when the item should fall? Press the input for a short amount of time and press back again later to drop it earlier than it's limit. But hey! What if I preffer the old controls? Simply hold as long as you want and stop holding for the item to drop as usual.

    I think that this change is definetely achievable, and makes the game less healthily dangerous to play for consumers who mainly use console controllers. And maybe even players who use Keyboards or Arcade Sticks will like this implementation.

    @Mike_Z
     
  35. Liam

    Liam ... Administrator

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    This seems really complicated for getting a bunch of different methods to do the same thing.
    Getting a fast but not too fast Shadow is really hard with this.

    If you hold it for a little bit too long at the start now it's on release instead of on second press.
    If you hold it a little bit too short at the start now it's on second press instead of on release.

    In the heat of a high level match, worrying about these kind of things will get you killed and feel frustrating.
     
  36. Rabbleflaggers

    Rabbleflaggers Buh

    Location:
    Miami, Florida
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    Rabbleflaggers
    Beowulf
    Big Band
    I'm alright with removing the ability to use Big Band's j.MKx2 only once per combo. I never used j.MK loops in the first place. I only use it for optimization, with cancelling the lag of j.MK with j.HP to follow up with a jab. But I feel like, after using it once, j.MK kind of becomes useless. It only does 400 damage, the same as j.LP. I know it is a great move considering its fastfall properties and the ability to crossup, but I just feel like there needs to be some compensation for taking away some of Big Band's optimized damage output.
     
  37. Liam

    Liam ... Administrator

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    jMK [1]'s use after using spin is: Extend > jLK jMK sMK.
    That's a useful restand that gets you into sMK without putting in a light before to waste Undizzy. (?)

    I'm not saying removing jMKx2 loops is good or bad or anything but just to play devils advocate that's what I think jMK[1] is used for when you're not doing jMK[2] loops, so I wouldn't call it entirely useless.

    The overwhelming negative response to the removal of jMK loops pretty clear.
     
  38. JDbbx

    JDbbx Active Member

    Valentine
    Cerebella
    ha
     
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  39. gllt

    gllt Dedicated

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    Cerebella
    Big Band
    He still does plenty of damage and now you're not giving the opponent ridiculous amounts of bar from jMK2 or watching the annoying combos.
    You can optimize with assists and brass links and it's even better off for -you-, the big band player, than the opponent.
    You still get jMK2 once and that allows for some cool setups by fast falling from it, so utility didn't disappear over losing repeated reps, aside from no longer being able to put your opponent to sleep.

    jMK2 as a loop was good for squeezing out a fair amount of damage that could kill (if you didn't drop it) all while giving your opponent a LOT OF METER. Like a LOT.

    jMK1 still remains a great button and really doesn't need anything to change about it, IMO.

    Here's Band/MBomber in this beta, this isn't hard and easier versions still do ridiculous damage.
    Show Spoiler




    High damage routes that are meterless and end in knockdown that used jMK2 loops take the biggest hit, so teams that spent their meter elsewhere (offense/pressure) and didn't care about the opponent's meter are the teams that suffer from that. Band/Axe basically. And sev played that and didn't really utilize the jMK2 loops because they weren't worth the tradeoff, IMO. Her routes are unaffected.

    Doing fast damage up front into resets never used jMK2, so a major part of his gameplan on hit on many teams is also unaffected.

    I would think.

    okay bye
     
  40. hilaryyy

    hilaryyy Active Member

    Any chance we can get the changes in Linux beta?
     
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