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Eliza A Song of Blood and Beauty - Eliza Lore & Speculation

Balder said:
If there's ever a animated adaptation, the main character should be Big Band so we can have Rich Brown narrate the story in that classic noir detective lingo. Or drunk Parasoul cussing the heck out of everyone, riding her hog in the middle of traffic and flipping everyone off - "I'mma a princess! I can do whatever the *bleep* I want!!" *loud burp*
YES!!! Big Band for the serious episodes, Drunk Parasoul for the extra bits or mini episodes!
 
I have a little belief that Eliza is actually not even real, but metamorphic matter controlled by Sekhemet. She's probably just pretty face to put on so Sekhemet won't scare the people she's trying to drain. That's what I think.
 
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ink_deer said:
I have a little belief that Eliza is actually not even real, but metamorphic matter controlled by Sekhemet. She's probably just pretty face to put on so Sekhemet won't scare the people she's trying to drain. That's what I think.
I kinda think that to, although it's more Eliza's mentality got absorbed into Sekhmet's.
 
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Kimlinh Tran said:
wait wat she has more lines for fortune--

She's also got "Forbidden fruit is the most tempting..." for her pre-round introduction
and also "I'll take care of it!" When swapping her out.
Weird stuff.

She's got a total of 4 character specific lines for Fortune and 2 for Cerebella. Although, understandably she's got 6 for both Squigly and Filia.

ink_deer said:
I have a little belief that Eliza is actually not even real, but metamorphic matter controlled by Sekhemet. She's probably just pretty face to put on so Sekhemet won't scare the people she's trying to drain. That's what I think.
Well the original concept of Filia had her be pretty much dead having her brain eaten by Samson who had taken over her body. That concept could have been re implemented when creating Eliza. Like we discussed earlier, it's really hard to tell where one ends and the other begins based on gameplay quotes, to be honest that's one of the main things I want to learn from her story mode.
 
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Medici Mob Boss said:
Well the original concept of Filia had her be pretty much dead having her brain eaten by Samson who had taken over her body. That concept could have been re implemented when creating Eliza. Like we discussed earlier, it's really hard to tell where one ends and the other begins based on gameplay quotes, to be honest that's one of the main things I want to learn from her story mode.
Hurray for story mode coming soon and HOPEFULLY not delayed like Sax Man's.

 
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I'm kind of disappointed that Sekhmet doesn't have a line like "I'LL RIB YOU TO PIECES!!!!" for her s.MP.
 
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PaperBag_Sniper said:
I'm kind of disappointed that Sekhmet doesn't have a line like "I'LL RIB YOU TO PIECES!!!!" for her s.MP.

I had a line... but I annoyed Mike to the point where he yelled at me, and I still feel terrible. x.x
 
WaterMystic277 said:
My personal theory with the "Lamia" thing, since the Trinity seems to be based on Christianity, Double might be a Jesus equivalent, God but not actually God.
Nah, aside from the way the chruch looks in the cathedral stage it doesnt really have anymore in common with christianity(as far as we I know), it even differs in the most important part: It is not a mono-deity religion.
I didnt play Doubles Story yet but she looks way to weak to be a half-god kinda thing, more like a general who is high enough up to just play bodyguard for the Heart. IMHO "Lamia" could either be just a spirit that comes to the one who posseses the Skullheart and serves her or a yet unknown character who needs someone corrupted (or marked?) by the Skullheart to manifests(Omg alternate dimension parasite).
 
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In christianity there is a concept of trinity (the father, the Son, the Holy Spirit) so it still relates.
I think 'Jesus' is more likely to be the Skullgirl, Double is more of a Saint.
 
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chickenwithtie said:
In christianity there is a concept of trinity (the father, the Son, the Holy Spirit) so it still relates.
I think 'Jesus' is more likely to be the Skullgirl, Double is more of a Saint.
Either way, I don't think Double is Lamia/Mother, just a shadow of her, an avatar you will.
 
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Yeah Double is definitely not the Mother, just a creation of the Trinity.
 
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chickenwithtie said:
Yeah Double is definitely not the Mother, just a creation of the Trinity.
I still want to know why in Mother's name Eliza knows Double and what the relation is, Samson and Leviathan I can understand but I still can't see Eliza actively searching for the Skullheart.
 
She lived for thousands of years, I'm sure she met the Skullheart at least once. IT'S THERE. Hard to ignore
 
chickenwithtie said:
She lived for thousands of years, I'm sure she met the Skullheart at least once. IT'S THERE. Hard to ignore
Hmm true, I don't doubt that.
Still, dat relationship tho and I think we're gonna get a lot more answers then just Eliza's junk too, considering they said it would be the most robust story mode and closest to the 'true' ending, so I guess all will be answered in Eliza's update.
 
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Build possibly being submitted next week.
 
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And I thought it would have been two.
 
WaterMystic277 said:
It'll still take 2 weeks, sicne they have to test it.
JUST TWO MORE WEEKS!!! YEAH!!!11!!
you caused that, water, its on you. mwhah.
 
Jimbob said:
JUST TWO MORE WEEKS!!! YEAH!!!11!!
you caused that, water, its on you. mwhah.

just because the door was open didn't mean you need to walk through it
 
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Any opportunity is an opportunity worth taking.
 
You miss every ball you don't swing at
 
WaterMystic277 said:
I still want to know why in Mother's name Eliza knows Double and what the relation is, Samson and Leviathan I can understand but I still can't see Eliza actively searching for the Skullheart.

Wasn't Eliza planned to be the boss of SG2?
 
WaterMystic277 said:
I still want to know why in Mother's name Eliza knows Double and what the relation is, Samson and Leviathan I can understand but I still can't see Eliza actively searching for the Skullheart.
Hmmm... I've never thought about how weird it is that Eliza recognizes Double... is there anyone she doesn't have a history with?

I guess it's just because they're both really evil, really powerful and really old. Then again, neither of the other Parasites know her and they're pretty old right?

I think the line "My reign and your fall are long over due" sums up Eliza and Doubles relationship, though.
 
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Ronus said:
Wasn't Eliza planned to be the boss of SG2?
Really makes sense. Given her very very long life she probably has the most clear understanding of how goddesses operate and hopefully her story mode could provide a huge amount of lore clarification.
Balder said:
Horace says "Jolly cooperation." after tagging Eliza in. HORACE CONFIRMED SUNBRO! \[T]/
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What next? A Painwheel colored like Pinwheel? Nito Marie? Artorias Beowulf?

Big Band Giant Dad?
 
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Isn't it strange that Eliza's crown is always pointing left or right, even when her head turns? An example is her picture when you select her, and another is her in-game intro. It always points to her enemy..
 
ink_deer said:
Isn't it strange that Eliza's crown is always pointing left or right, even when her head turns? An example is her picture when you select her, and another is her in-game intro. It always points to her enemy..

It's because Eliza is secretly Mickey Mouse.
 
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Zazz said:
What next? A Painwheel colored like Pinwheel? Nito Marie? Artorias Beowulf?

Big Band Giant Dad?
Quoting the wrong person there. <:3
And now I want to see Big Band doing the "Well, what is it?" gesture.

ink_deer said:
Isn't it strange that Eliza's crown is always pointing left or right, even when her head turns?
You mean the ostrich feather? It's a reference to the goddess Ma'at and, by extension, ancient Egyptian art and how it portrays everything in a profile perspective. Same is true of Eliza's head in most in-game frames.

TheMightyBox said:
It's because Eliza is secretly Mickey Mouse.
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'sup
 
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Dem Disneyland memories be comin back...
 
Balder said:
Quoting the wrong person there. <:3
Forum formatting caught up to me, I guess.

Anyway, I've been listening to the new-ish voice clips.

Sekhmet: RIP AND TEAR describes her pretty well.

Albus & Horace: Good stuff, but I think the sound needs to be louder on their lines. They're hard to hear during mid-battle.
 
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Her sneeze is surprisingly adorable! As for Double and the Christianity analogues I think it's like this: visually she's a representation of Lamia, similar in the way that Jesus is the Earthly representation of God. Though in terms of power and importance, I can see her more like a high ranking angel. (powerful in relation to mankind, but a subservient footsoldier to divinity) Also, with the angel comparison, it would go hand in hand with how some depictions describe angels as NOT looking like winged, chubby babies, but rather closer to confusing, other-worldly looking beings.
 
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Cellsai said:
My personal theory on Lamia:
Both Double and Mother are the same being called Lamia. Double is the portion of Mother's face that is missing.
That...actually kinda makes sense, a little more then Mother being a being of creation and destruction. (or both? :V)
 
Also, early warning system: This thread will be moved into the Lore sub forum once Eliza is officially released to allow the Eliza sub forum to fold back into an actual gameplay only section.
 
Zazz said:
Albus & Horace: Good stuff, but I think the sound needs to be louder on their lines. They're hard to hear during mid-battle.
Partly agree but if their voices were louder it would probably be a mess with everyone talking a lot and I still have nightmares from the evening I played Sengoku Basara X. Please don't turn Eliza into a ASW character. :3

Shockdingo said:
Also, with the angel comparison, it would go hand in hand with how some depictions describe angels as NOT looking like winged, chubby babies, but rather closer to confusing, other-worldly looking beings.
That's preposterous! Slander. Slander, I say!

A last note in regards to Double, I'll just add she must have a very warped sense of what "trustworthy" might look.
"I need a disguise, someone that looks above reproach or suspicion. Think, Double, think. .....................I GOT IT!"
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"Yeeeeah. Double, baby, you're the posterchild of credence."
 
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