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Who's the strongest?

so will Venus.
I'd eat Venus. Am I right? heh heh *wink wink* *nudge nudge*.

Seriously Umbrella is the strongest since because the story freakin' says so, it's canon.
 
Seriously Umbrella is the strongest since because the story freakin' says so, it's canon.
1. Where the hell does it say that?

2. You mean the story that isn't canon at all?
 
Well she's born of skullgirl for one you know one of the strongest beings ever. That'll be present in the canon story too. I'm just saying she should be pretty high up too.

EDIT: I'll find the proof just gimmie a minute.
 
She may have Skullgirl blood but that doesn't really mean anything. It just means that she has a deep connection to the Skull Heart, nothing more. She's still just a little girl with a very powerful Living Weapon, if she's going to be ranked highly for anything it should be for Hungern.

Regardless, I'd still rank her pretty low on the scale.
 
Okay put on Hungern on for highest tier.

There's not much to work with from speculation anyway.
 
I remember Alex Ahad said somewhere that Hungern is much more powerful than Krieg.

I think he also said that Parasoul was given Krieg while Umbrella was given Hungern in order to balance out the two Princesses. Or was it because Parasoul was more capable of finely controlling Krieg than Hungern? Jeez I can hardly remember, don't take my word for it. I do know for sure that Hungern is super powerful, but being wielded by Umbrella really makes him much less of a threat. Oh maybe that's why Hungern was given to Umbrella.

Regardless, Hungern terrifies me.
 
Regardless, Annie still da top.
 
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I think the deal with Hungern and Kreig might be that Parasoul could utilize him better, so even if Kreig wasn't as powerful, it (he?) would still be a big threat.
 
Nancy Renoir could curbstomp the current cast and most of the DLC candidates.
No clue where her husband stands power-level wise.

Mother could be the most powerful member of the Trinity, but that also comes with the same limitations having a remote parasite entails.

Meh, I'll throw my vote in for King Renoir, cause SPECUHLATIN.
 
I remember Alex Ahad said somewhere that Hungern is much more powerful than Krieg.

I think he also said that Parasoul was given Krieg while Umbrella was given Hungern in order to balance out the two Princesses. Or was it because Parasoul was more capable of finely controlling Krieg than Hungern? Jeez I can hardly remember, don't take my word for it. I do know for sure that Hungern is super powerful, but being wielded by Umbrella really makes him much less of a threat. Oh maybe that's why Hungern was given to Umbrella.

Regardless, Hungern terrifies me.
"Powerful" and better are two different things.

I really hate to reference bad anime, but I don't think Inuyasha's sword was any better than Sesshomaru's just because it had destructive power.

If I was going headfirst into battle, Hungern would be what I'd want.
If I was doing anything else, I'd take Kreuig.

Hungern eats shit, we've seen Parasoul do some pretty slick shit with Kreuig, Napalm Shots, Pillars, throwing tears, using the tears to grab people, using the light blast's blowback to put herself into spots she couldn't reach normally, etc. etc.

A Claymore and a Raiper are too different to just ask "which sword's better?'.
 
You're misinterpreting what I'm saying.

I hate Inuyasha and I don't watch it so I have no idea what you're talking about there.

Hungern and Krieg are not just simple weapons like swords or guns. They are Living Weapons. They are living, breathing, semi-sentient organisms and different rules apply to them. The difference between Hungern and Krieg is less like a Claymore and a Rapier and more like a Lion and a Lynx.

However, the wielder of the weapon is still more important than the weapon itself which is why I still consider Parasoul more powerful than Umbrella. Especially with all those damn Egrets behind her. Do you understand now?
 
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I remember Alex Ahad said somewhere that Hungern is much more powerful than Krieg.

I think he also said that Parasoul was given Krieg while Umbrella was given Hungern in order to balance out the two Princesses. Or was it because Parasoul was more capable of finely controlling Krieg than Hungern? Jeez I can hardly remember, don't take my word for it. I do know for sure that Hungern is super powerful, but being wielded by Umbrella really makes him much less of a threat. Oh maybe that's why Hungern was given to Umbrella.

Regardless, Hungern terrifies me.
Maybe Umbrella has Hungern because she's the only one that can control him? After all, Cerebella is the only one who can control Vice Versa.
 
Sounds reasonable. Parasoul is well trained, disciplined and composed. While those are objectively positive traits, they might just not click with Hungern. Judging from Umbrella's fighting concept art, wouldn't be surprised if it took childish spontaneity, unpredictability and general trololo more than anything to contain that bastard.
 
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It was Alpha who said that Krieg was the weaker weapon compared to Hungern, but Parasoul makes up for it by being highly well-trained. I don't think Krieg was given to Parasoul and Hungern to Umbrella because one is stronger than another. Like already said, it could just be that only Parasoul can use Krieg and Umbrella can use Hungern. Has anyone else noticed that both Parasoul and Umbrella have the same eye colours as their Living Weapons?

Now that I'm thinking about it, were the Living Weapon umbrellas handed down from previous owners (presumably older generations of the Renoir family) or were they forged specifically for the princesses? Off-topic topic but that's something to think about.
 
Looking at the art cards of Filia and Peacock's fight and the duo seem pretty evenly matched. Does that put them on the same level or are going out of who wins the most match ups/overall effectiveness?
 
I'm the strongest.

At losing.

More seriously though, in terms of actual playable characters, maybe Beowulf. I haven't
 
Nope, Annie still the strongest.
 
Nope, Annie still the strongest.
At not getting into Skullgirls.
 
Annie is in Skullgirls at least twice.
 
Playable? And I still back Beowulf possibly being the strongest playable character.

Granted, I voted for the Pirate...
 
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>Big band seems to indicate that peacock's powers are very limited... that probably didn't sound very weird to most people, but until now she's seemed to have an incredible amount of power- I assumed she was only slightly less powerful than the trinity at her full potential. I mean, she can apparently bend reality to her will. Big band seems to think she's quite a bit less powerful, though, which makes me wonder whether he's just flat out wrong or if her reality bending can only go as far as her cronies.
Yeah, no, I highly doubt Peacock has full blown reality bending powers. She can do what is in her skill set, creating cartoons, but I've seen other characters in other stuff have reality bending powers, and Peacock is no where near that level. I think at best Peacock has Mid level Cartoon Physics, but I would say she was closer to the low end of that spectrum. Why do people think she's so powerful?
 
Why do people think she's so powerful?
I think it's the lasers and explosions. In a fight I wouldn't be afraid of her cartoon cronies, but she's the only character with honest to god beam weaponry and high explosive firepower.

That shit's scary.
 
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I think it's the lasers and explosions. In a fight I wouldn't be afraid of her cartoon cronies, but she's the only character with honest to god beam weaponry and high explosive firepower.

That shit's scary.
Not really.
It's the fact that she basically created several very powerful cronies through some combination of willpower and her synthetic parasites. If she could master whatever power she invoked to pull that off, it can be theorized that she would have powers similar to venus, albeit probably less potent. She has some reality bending powers but it's very vague how far they actually go. I would still rank her pretty high (highest out of playable cast, probably, if not in current power then definitely in potential power) but not nearly as high as before.
 
I'm really not understanding why everyone's bitching about power levels anyway. I look at the individual character storylines the same way I did the character stories in the first two Blazblue games: they're not canon, but they do give us some insight into both the universe and the characters themselves.

If we're going to complain about this, then why isn't anyone bringing up the fact that Cerebella not only defeated the Skullgirl single-handedly, but killed Ms. Fortune, who had at that point ingested a relic that made her immortal, literally just by squeezing her to death with Vice-Versa?
 
Not really.
I never considered her "Reality Bending" to be that powerful. In a one on one fight I'd be more worried about the lasers and explosions, but that's just me.

Once again like I said before, everyone seems to overestimate these people, especially Cerebella and Fortune.
 
If we're going to complain about this, then why isn't anyone bringing up the fact that Cerebella not only defeated the Skullgirl single-handedly, but killed Ms. Fortune, who had at that point ingested a relic that made her immortal, literally just by squeezing her to death with Vice-Versa?
The way I see it, every character is capable of the things expressed in their endings even though none of it happened. I mean, they all DID happen, but none of them are the events that actually took place in the main timeline. Some of them are hard to trust, though, because in a separate timeline characters could be stronger or weaker than others.
Not really.
There is no indication that I've seen that she could or would ever be capable of advancing her level of manipulaton (which is different from simply getting stronger or more efficient). Also, it says in the link that Cartoon Physics are a subset of Reality powers, so she has a form of them, but claiming she her power set is "Reality Manipulation" is too much. Big Band pretty much confirmed this, I mean she doesn't even have some of the strongest powers Cartoon Physic users can use, 4th wall manipulation and awareness being the biggest, but a lot of other things cartoons do she doesn't (like being elastic (though she does become paper thin when hit into the ground and her feet do the running thing) or pulling one of those "she's unaffected by gravity until she looks down" bits).
 
They way I've assumed it worked was that peacock can sort of do whatever she sets her imagination to do, it just so happens that she is obsessed with cartoons. She can spawn chainsaws, shotguns, giant bombs and other such things. She can seemingly teleport short distances and even be in two places at once (j.MK). There's also some old unused animations like creating a train, spawning a giant cue stick to trigger Lenny and shooting rockets out of her hat.

She probably has some limit to her capabilities, but she can definitely bend the rules of reality. She is probably just too young and immature for the time being.
 
Peacock powerlevel speculation

Why people think Peacock is so powerful is because she is pretty ridiculously powerful. She has an entire weapons arsenal at her fingertips that she can customize instantly by doing nothing but imagining the changes and teleporting it in. She can teleport herself. She has an unparalleled field of vision and can shoot lasers out of every single one of her frickin' eyes. She has a backup squad at her beck and call, two of whom are literally animated chunks of solid metal, and the others who are living explosives. Also she's a cyborg and shit, she gets augmented body perks like flying and extra strength and stuff.

Now, she can't create things out of thin air per se--she has to have something existing to work with--but she does explicitly have the ability to warp reality. She wasn't designed to do this, it's a side effect that her usage of the Avery Unit managed to produce, so what the full extent of that ability could be is unknown. For now, the way she uses it is a very clever mimicry of cartoon physics. Alex confirmed in a lore interview that her powers are still growing, so in all likelihood, she just hasn't fully explored what her abilities can do yet.

So why does she get her ass kicked? Easy. She's an overconfident, cocky as hell greenhorn whose strategy in battle is basically just "throw shit at it until it dies". Against skilled, experienced fighters like Valentine and Big Band, she's naturally going to have a hard time. Marie obviously can just utilize the same projectile spammy tactics as she does. P:
 
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There's also some old unused animations like creating a train, spawning a giant cue stick to trigger Lenny and shooting rockets out of her hat.

She probably has some limit to her capabilities, but she can definitely bend the rules of reality. She is probably just too young and immature for the time being.
Firstly, you can't really use unused animations in a "how strong is a character" discussion. If it's not in any official version of the character's move set, then they can't do it. I wouldn't doubt her being able to, but she hasn't officially shown herself capable.

Nextly, there is a limit. She makes and does cartoon stuff. She can't bypass that, NOTHING seen in the game (I don't know if Alex has said something somewhere) has given any indication that she can. The link I gave on Cartoon Physics was pretty extensive on that power set. Cartoons can sometimes never die, sometimes they flat out CANNOT be injured in any meaningful way, they can break the laws of physics, but they are still affected by those laws and they aren't able to step outside of their power set.

Here's an example: A person who can literally bend reality, like Scarlet Witch from Marvel, can say "Yeah, there are going to be no more mutants anywhere" and literally alter the DNA of every living Human (including non-mutants) and strip an entire people of their power (even people more powerful than her). Someone with Cartoon Physics can erase and redraw you, bend at unnatural angles, paint things into life (like the train), turn inanimate objects into cartoon characters, have pockets that hold an infinite number of things (though they sometimes comically have nothing in their pockets), etc. But all those things have to be cartoon related, or funny (at least to the user), or what have you.
Why people think Peacock is so powerful is because she is pretty ridiculously powerful.

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For now, the way she uses it is a very clever mimicry of cartoon physics. Alex confirmed in a lore interview that her powers are still growing, so in all likelihood, she just hasn't fully explored what her abilities can do yet.

So why does she get her ass kicked? Easy. She's an overconfident, cocky as hell greenhorn whose strategy in battle is basically just "throw shit at it until it dies". Against skilled, experienced fighters like Valentine and Big Band, she's naturally going to have a hard time. Marie obviously can just utilize the same projectile spammy tactics as she does. P:

She is probably powerful compared to some of the cast (the only evidence we have are alternate reality versions of events where everyone loses at some point). But she's not at a level where I would even feel confident in saying at her max potential she could have nearly the same level of power as Venus. At her max level I could imagine her being able to create cartoon characters faster, stronger, call more things to her aid, etc. I could also see her creating cartoons without having to think (like she currently does, by blowing a whistle or motioning to give directions).

Also, she technically doesn't teleport, she creates portals at two places and jumps/sticks her face through them. Still an impressive thing, even considering the portals appear to be limited to either holes on the ground or her hat, but not quite the same.

I think one of the biggest drawbacks for Peacock's abilities seems to be her inability to affect the "reality" of anything but the creatures she's created. She barely even affects herself with her powers, but she definitely does not affect other people. She can make portals, so why can't she force an opponent through one? She doesn't appear capable of flattenng someone, a feat other Cartoon Physics characters are capable of. She basically makes Constructs to fight, but that's the extent so far.

Lets look at The Mask. That character is pretty powerful. He is a prime well-known example of Cartoon Physics. That character does not lose. He does not get beaten. The Mask (or whoever's wearing it) can go up against people vastly more experienced with planet-busting power and it doesn't matter cause he's a cartoon, he can just do whatever he wants. Like in the movie, he was able to force other people to follow along with his jokes (the dancing scene). Sometimes his presence alone affects reality (when he won an Emmy). Peacock, since she can get beaten up and lose outright, that's an indication that she's not that powerful. I don't think her body is protected under the Cartoon Physics powers she has, she seems like she could be killed (something Big Band was afraid of and Double was capable of doing in their story modes).

TLDR; Peacock has low-level Cartoon Physics, and not what is commonly considered Reality Warping.
 
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TLDR; Peacock has low-level Cartoon Physics, and not what is commonly considered Reality Warping.

That's pretty much exactly what I was saying, except that it's always referred to in canon as reality warping. It literally says "reality-defying" right there on the official Skullgirls.com character profile.

It doesn't have to match up to the exact tvtropes version of the precise phrasing of that power for it to be what it is. If Alex says it's reality warping, it's reality warping. Doesn't mean it's "totally and completely broken to levels rivaling the gods" reality warping or anything. Just like how "super strength" can mean anything from "can lift a car" to "can punch a planet in half" depending on the writer, so it goes with this same power.

At this point, you're just arguing semantics.
 
Nice to see usually broken abilities (reality warping for example could be phrased as "cheating") presented in a way that ensures a fair fight instead of an instant win.

As for who is the strongest, among the current cast it is whoever is the character you are playing the story mode, since they enter super hero mode (like in all fighting games).

Now among the current cast of playable chars and boss.

Joking aside, in terms of individal power I would say Marie, specially if 300% is a hidden power/true form of hers. Also she can throw building and has an army of undead. Canonically, the main cast could only win against her by really teaming up.

If you consider Parasoul's army and her royalty part of her power, she is the strongest among the protagonists.

Considering only individual fight capability, Double. She is very old and her function was to test candidates for the heart so she is going at it for a long time without dying. And I can't forget that art in her story mode where she shows how much big she can get.
 
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official tier list

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Turn A Gundam

Annie

assorted other whatevers

Chupacabra
 
I think you are all forgetting one very important fact.
Hulk is strongest there is!
 
Nice to see usually broken abilities (reality warping for example could be phrased as "cheating") presented in a way that ensures a fair fight instead of an instant win.

As for who is the strongest, among the current cast it is whoever is the character you are playing the story mode, since they enter super hero mode (like in all fighting games).

Now among the current cast of playable chars and boss.

Joking aside, in terms of individal power I would say Marie, specially if 300% is a hidden power/true form of hers. Also she can throw building and has an army of undead. Canonically, the main cast could only win against her by really teaming up.

If you consider Parasoul's army and her royalty part of her power, she is the strongest among the protagonists.

Considering only individual fight capability, Double. She is very old and her function was to test candidates for the heart so she is going at it for a long time without dying. And I can't forget that art in her story mode where she shows how much big she can get.

Yeah. I mean, honestly? I wouldn't want Peacock's powers to be completely broken. If she just won all the time, where's the fun in that? Boring invincible heroes are boring for a reason. There's no drama in it when you just know that they're gonna come out on top no matter what happens. It makes for a more interesting story when characters are fallible!

The nice thing about Skullgirls is that it "balances" characters, basically, by ensuring that even if you're not as insanely strong, you can keep up through sheer badassery. I'm thinking Beowulf is pretty much going to be the logical conclusion of this. He's just a normal guy, really, he's just got such astronomical amounts of badass that he can compete in fights with Parasite and Living Weapon users, cyborgs, Gigans, etc through sheer grit.

So yes, while I would put characters like the Labs experiments and Annie up at the top of the list due to having crazy powers like summoning bombs and heavy weapons and space manipulation and stuff, it's not as though everyone else is terribly far behind. If they're sufficiently crazy awesome, they can probably get by.
 
I'm thinking Beowulf is pretty much going to be the logical conclusion of this. He's just a normal guy, really, he's just got such astronomical amounts of badass that he can compete in fights with Parasite and Living Weapon users, cyborgs, Gigans, etc through sheer grit.
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And remember, even Speedwagon Valentine uses Last Hope's weaponry and ninja skills, while all Beowulf has to his name for laying down the law is his body and Hurting. Now, that doesn't inherently mean Beowulf is stronger than/would beat Val in a fight from sheer power, it's just that he has that much more against him for someone that can still potentially come out on top.
 
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I like to think scythana is a very high contender for the strongest considering she's got both limitless human potential and colossal gigan strength. Also, she is probably quite intellectual considering she was an archeological assistant before she was taken into custody, adding the possibility of a keen intellect to her arsenal.
 
Annie still whoopin' 'em all.
 
All we know is that Scythana worked with Isaac, we don't know if she was his student or anything. Don't get me wrong I love that idea but we don't know anything for sure. Also I'm pretty sure I made a point earlier that we shouldn't be throwing around the words intellect or intelligence so loosely considering their nebulous definition.