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Who's the strongest?

Denizen said:
Like I said before, Immortality doesn't make you strong. Also, that just proves that Fortune isn't truly Immortal.
Really though, when you think about it, true Immortality doesn't exist.
Wolverine isn't really immortal, but his regeneration is so strong that he nearly can't be killed. Does that mean taking out Wolverine is nothing special? It's an unfair comparison, since Wolverine has a lot more to look at, but the idea is similar. If you can kill someone who has something magical that makes them immortal, that's pretty fucking impressive.

Alex Ahad explained that Gigans vary in size immensly. Their average size is 15 feet, but their body types span all the colors of the rainbow. It's their genes that determine their size, not their age. They're like the Titans from Attack on Titan. Also Grendel's Mother was capable of eating an entire audience of people (Before Beowulf stopped her). So I'm sure she's pretty damn big.
Also here is a better example of Grendel's size.
Size doesn't give any indication of weight, still. We don't know whether or not Momma Gigan was going to "Eat them all", or eat as many of them as she could.

Also, Grendel is smaller than the smallest one on the list, who's only a little bigger than Parasoul. And if he's small cause of genetics, there's a chance Momma Gigan is just as small. So... Beowulf beating them is a feat why...?

Just because a crazy, vengeful, murderous necromancer said that she's not all that bad that makes her a good girl? Just because she feels bad about killing someone that makes it OK?
This has nothing to do with what I brought up. The point I was making is that there is evidence that points to her holding back when she fights. The personality of Marie doesn't come into that, and whether or not she should be exempt from blame for Fortune's murder is irrelevant to what she did before. She showed massive regret for committing murder, implying hurting others was foreign. That's all.

Yeah you could say that she was just protecting her "family", but her "family" is a violent criminal organization that needs to be put down. The fact that she's trying to protect them makes her one of them, regardless of how she feels about it.
More things irrelevant to what I'm bringing up.

Plus you have absolutely no proof that Cerebella just scares people instead of maiming them, you just made all that up!
I suggested a possibility. Read "It's possible..." in my last post.

Just accept it, Cerebella hurts people for a living, she fights for the Medicis, and she's a bad person because of it.
Bad person, maybe, but violent enough to go all out in a fight? I think not. I've already provided supportive evidence.

This is getting really off topic though.
No it isn't. Discussing how strong a character is is the point of the thread.
 
Umbrella being born of skullgirl is the strongest being in existence.

But by story probably Painwheel.
 
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Hubrecht is probably physically stronger than Cerebella since his attacks are supposedly accidental. So, where Cerebella/Vice Versa throws a punch, Hubrecht (Without a living weapon) gives a friendly pat on the back with the same power level. Cerebella also seems more nimble so we can see that she's not investing all her skill points into her strength tree, where Hubrecht is a literal strong-man but probably loses out to her in the speed department.

I'm sure gigans could be stronger because of their size, but then again Beowulf (on top of being a professional wrestler, lol!) was able to take out 2 of them.

If we're talking brute physical strength, I don't think anything beats Marie lifting and throwing that chunk of skyscraper.
 
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southpawper said:
If we're talking brute physical strength, I don't think anything beats Marie lifting and throwing that chunk of skyscraper.
Probably true. That wasn't "strength" in the normal sense, but yeah.

Edit: Then again, I doubt using hat-arms to punch things falls in the normal sense of strength.
 
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I'm not going to use quotes so I can conserve space.

Can we stop talking about comic book characters please? It's unfair since I don't read them. Besides, I'm sure the rest of the Skullgirls cast are just as capable of killing Ms. Fortune as Cerebella is.
That makes no sense, are you saying that the Gigans weigh as much as normal people? 'Cause that's a baseless claim, which is also wrong. You should read Beowulf's DLC Description more carefully.

"Beowulf retired at the height of his professional wrestling career, defeating the seemingly unstoppable Grendel, as well as his frenzied Gigan mom when she nearly ate the audience after her son’s defeat."
"Classic pro wrestling, including violence with his favorite folding chair. Dubbed The Hurting, the legendary piece of furniture could supposedly support a Gigan if one could fit on it."

That's proof right there that the two Gigans Beowulf fought were powerful, Grendel's Mother was capable of eating the audience, and that Gigans are as heavy as they look. If you need even more proof then you should look at that image again because the smallest Gigan on that list is smaller than Parasoul and in that official art of Beowulf that arm is as big as the "Baby Gigan" itself. So Grendel must be much bigger than that. I don't know why you are so intent on belittling Beowulf's achievements and making him look like a weakling.
Now enough about Beowulf, I'm talking about something else. Zidiane, you and I both know that this argument we're having is less about Cerebella's power and more about her moral integrity, which I still say is faulty. So stop flattering yourself, you're being just as irrelevant as I am. Also, your "supportive evidence" that Cerebella is holding back in all of her fights is weak and unconvincing. You're just showing that you're just as biased with Cerebella as I am with Beowulf, you're just not admitting it.

Listen, Cerebella is a good fighter, but to say that she's second only to Gods like Aeon and Venus is stretching it a bit.
 
Yeah really. I honestly put Cerebella at the button of the list because in a fight, she really can't content with people oh say like Peacock and Squigly.

She probably can't even keep up with Black Dahlia, the one who taught her everything she knows.
 
I'm not gonna be biased. From what limited details we know so far on the topic of individual character "Power Level" I can assume...

Leduc would be fodder tier like most of the ASG, Circus, and Egret archetype characters when compared to beings like Annie,Double, Marie, Peacock, and Trinity.
 
And even Marie is fodder to the likes of Double, The Trinity, and perhaps even Annie.
 
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I'll rank the IGG/Playable characters in terms of canon power (Combination of assumed strength and skill potential), not gameplay potential. My list is nothing more/less then an educated analysis from the limited info we know so far. Would not be surprised if I'm very wrong once we know more information.

1. Venus/Aeon (Gonna assume they are par, goddess tier)
2. Annie/Double (Again gonna assume they are par since they crossed paths numerous times and neither could end the other for good)
3. Peacock (Strongest ASG archetype character, modified to defeat a Skullgirl, Double sees her as a possible threat)
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32. Andy (Peacock familiar henchmen, one of the weaker ASG member, weaker without Tommy helping him, only notable feat is some boxing skills and having an anvil head, fragile looking legs) First Update
33. Minette (yeah...she is a fragile waitress that a couple mafia goons had no problem overwhelming her, prone to kidnapping)

I'll finish this list later.
 
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That list so far seems accurate, but don't the parasite have a lot of power skill that makes them a viable threat, all I mean is wouldn't beast mode samson by near the top or would be to much of large target and maybe so?
 
This alternate timeline Samson would definitely be somewhere below Aeon/Venus and Double/Annie in terms of power. His character profile explains Samson possible origins was something along the lines of conjured up/controlled by either Double or Aeon. Being manipulated by them doesn't sound like Samson would be stronger then those two.

The Top and bottom ends is always the easiest to start off as I slowly work my way down the middle.
 
Maybe Peacock is only strong because Marie is a crappy Skullgirl. Also, Marie might feel some moral restraints about killing Peacock.

IMHO, it would be easier if we started by tiering them by groups, like per instances, setting beforehand that Dahlia and Peacock (or Brain Drain) are the strongest from the Mob/Circus and Labs respectively. Just a thought.
(Though Dahlia might just be a good killer which doesn't necessarily mean she's a good fighter but I'm inclined to think she is.)

As is, A&V, Annie and Double seem like the top dogs but we'll see what the new characters have to show.
And as much as I frown upon the notion, I think Ms V/Deep V might be a strong contender for the pantheon of canon muscle.
 
I'm going to keep using quotes because it's the easiest way for me to address points.
Denizen said:
Besides, I'm sure the rest of the Skullgirls cast are just as capable of killing Ms. Fortune as Cerebella is.
Prove it.
That makes no sense, are you saying that the Gigans weigh as much as normal people? 'Cause that's a baseless claim, which is also wrong. You should read Beowulf's DLC Description more carefully.

"Beowulf retired at the height of his professional wrestling career, defeating the seemingly unstoppable Grendel, as well as his frenzied Gigan mom when she nearly ate the audience after her son’s defeat."
"Classic pro wrestling, including violence with his favorite folding chair. Dubbed The Hurting, the legendary piece of furniture could supposedly support a Gigan if one could fit on it."

That's proof right there that the two Gigans Beowulf fought were powerful, Grendel's Mother was capable of eating the audience, and that Gigans are as heavy as they look. If you need even more proof then you should look at that image again because the smallest Gigan on that list is smaller than Parasoul and in that official art of Beowulf that arm is as big as the "Baby Gigan" itself. So Grendel must be much bigger than that. I don't know why you are so intent on belittling Beowulf's achievements and making him look like a weakling.
What I'm saying about Beowulf: You can't prove the weight of the Gigans, there are no clear feats that Gigans have accomplished to measure (and even if they did, like you said, they greatly vary between Gigans, so any Gigan feats would have to be specific to that Gigan), The physical stature of Grendel and mom is unknown (as is the height of Beowulf, actually).

What I'm not saying about Beowulf: Beowulf sucked, the Gigans aren't powerful (just that their strength can't be measured atm).

We really know very little about Beowulf. You can't say "well, this description paints a pretty epic picture, he's most likely badass, it's probably something like that" and expect me to not make comments about it.

Zidiane, you and I both know that this argument we're having is less about Cerebella's power and more about her moral integrity, which I still say is faulty. So stop flattering yourself, you're being just as irrelevant as I am. Also, your "supportive evidence" that Cerebella is holding back in all of her fights is weak and unconvincing. You're just showing that you're just as biased with Cerebella as I am with Beowulf, you're just not admitting it.
YOU are the person making a big whoop about her moral integrity. From looking at evidence provided in game (which I won't reiterate) I still say that the loss she suffered from Peacock in her ending could very well have been because she didn't go at the Peacock as seriously as she needed to, whereas Peacock didn't think twice about taking down her friend (she had a warped sense of helping her friend) let alone the Medici's who ruined their childhood and all the other nameless horrible things they did.

Listen, Cerebella is a good fighter, but to say that she's second only to Gods like Aeon and Venus is stretching it a bit.
Well, I really meant in the current roster and characters we actually know about. I thought we were really only ranking characters we knew about. But then people are talking about characters who have very little info about them, so I'm not sure what to do.
 
.....is this just gonna turn into another debate thread?....
 
Decided Andy would be the 2nd weakest. Thoughts?
 
I suppose him being there could make sense.
 
Lunerstep said:
.....is this just gonna turn into another debate thread?....
The title of the thread is "Who's the strongest". Of course there's gonna be debate.
Number 13 said:
Decided Andy would be the 2nd weakest. Thoughts?
No info about Andy to make any real guess.
 
I wanna say that the term "strongest" is probably something we all have differing opinions about.

I would say in terms of equipment, Peacock is strongest. but if it was a pure skill thing, Val would be the strongest, she is the only character in the in-game roster without a parasite or a living weapon. in terms of sheer brute strength, it has to go to Beo.
 
I mean to the point were it just gets annoyingly obnxious and shoulda stopped awhile ago debates zidiane....but whateves just my 2 cents before a bunch of good points are drowned out by one debate like all the other threads at some point.
 
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Lunerstep said:
I mean to the point were it just gets annoyingly obnxious and shoulda stopped awhile ago debates zidiane....but whateves just my 2 cents before a bunch of good points are drowned out by one debate like all the other threads at some point.
I usually skim threads. You don't have to read every post. Skip parts that are participating in the debate or bits that you don't care about.
 
I don't know if waifu's are the best preference for who's the strongest ^^;
 
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You just mad cuz Annie's stylin' all over everyone (Goddesses aside) and Minette's down being taken out by fodder.
 
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Lunerstep said:
I don't know if waifu's are the best preference for who's the strongest ^^;
Dude it's a Kappa I am joking.
My two Cents I agree with Denizen Cerebella is crap tier in my eyes.
 
Power is different from Skill.

Captain America is the epitome of a trained human soldier at full potential physically/mentally who trained hard in various ways to maintain efficiency. However sheer skill can only take you so far if he were to fight someone born/inherited/equipped with sheer power leagues above him like Hulk,Thor, and never-mind the plethora cosmic tier opponents.

In my list anyway I am considering speculative skills as a factor since that does come into play for a fight. Adam for example is a jack-of-all trades elite soldier, but his skills would have to realistically overcome other characters sheer strength levles for him to rank higher then them.

Same with characters with reasonably high power potential, but it doesn't mean much if they can't utilize said powers skillfully enough.

Oh yeah forgot to mention I'm not ranking Juju since it's a matter of how close/far away she is to be effective. Not to mention she isn't even an official character anymore.
 
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First stop being an ass DDB I agree Minette is at the bottom its only logical second I actually agree that annies high up there why do you always have to be an ass when I don't even want to disprove something you said....just fuck off already.

Anyways I had a feeling you were joking I just gave a response for people that actually obsess on there favs to the point nothing else makes sense sorry ^^;
 
I'm quite sure that in terms of power, obviously, the top five would be as follows. This is however, and obviously, my opinion:
1. Venus/Aeon (As Gods and in relation to the fact that the Trinity Mother still most likely takes her spot at #0. I agree with Number 13's rationale)
2. Annie/Double/Alt. Samson (For the same reasons, yet for Samson I chose for his being created and Controlled by the goddesses)
3. Peacock/Marie (Ibid. and Marie is here because she is the current Skullgirl)
4. Beowulf/Hubrect/Painwheel/Valentine/Scythana (Beowulf and Hubrect are almost equal in my mind in terms of strength-Bellz does not make it here simply due to her reliance on Vice-Versa- and Painwheel comes next due to having the Bulga parasite and skullgirls blood. Val because she beats PW. Scythana follows next because she herself is strong, but in contest to her peers she is lacking as they all-especially Beowulf as he actually is noted for performing this feat-can most likely take a Gigan of her size.)
5. Illeum/Brain Drain/Stanley/??? (Illeum because of her acid, BD because of psychic abilities, and Stanley because of smarts combined with probable feeding frenzy deal. Other than that it is up for grabs).

The problem comes from many of the characters being on par, or nearly equal, with other members of the cast. Many characters are extremely skilled or have amazing abilities that would seemingly set them higher on the list. Now this is not final (especially that fifth category) but I thought I might as well chip in.
 
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Characters who are not in story mode I can't really rate because we haven't seen any sort of scale of what they can do. But for character in game...

1. Venus/Aeon (don't need to explain, but they are gods)
2. Double (in her ending she beats all characters. I consider her a god too, but she's more like a godly servant, like an angel almost, maybe. More needs to be known about Double's background, but that's what she seems to be)
3. Marie/Parasoul's Mom (I forgot that Marie lifted a skyscraper, and that the mom was mentioned to have wrecked the country.)
4. Cerebella (elephant feat (who else can you say easily lifts 8 tons? This is a Marvel Comics weight lifting scale, btw http://marvel.wikia.com/Strength_Scale (12x what Captain America can lift, btw)) and killing Fortune)
5. Peacock (despite my opinions on the Bella matchup in-canon, she did sweep up the remains of the medici's, including the assumed top-muscle that were protecting Lorenzo, all in a row. She did so with the help of all of those cartoons like Andy and such, but I consider all of them a part of her really.)
6. Valentine (beats Painwheel even in Painwheel's story)
7. Painwheel
8. Fortune (she can't die so she could get away from and/or beat stronger people, up until Cerebella)
9. Parasoul (Don't see her do much. Things she's accomplished have required egrets.)
10. Filia (I can't think of a single thing she's done.)
 
Filia would be Minette tier if she didn't have Samson augment her power potential lol.
 
My Cerebella placement is also not taking into account she can make Diamonds. Because, technically, that's not canon, it's just in the gameplay. Anyone care about how much PSI it takes to make Diamonds (even though it'd be a dumb comparison)?
 
Zidiane said:
My Cerebella placement is also not taking into account she can make Diamonds. Because, technically, that's not canon, it's just in the gameplay. Anyone care about how much PSI it takes to make Diamonds (even though it'd be a dumb comparison)?

Diamond-making machines subject graphite-carbon cores and a diamond seed at a pressure of 850,000 PSI for four days to recreate conditions similar to those 100 miles below the earth's surface.
 
Revenant said:
Diamond-making machines subject graphite-carbon cores and a diamond seed at a pressure of 850,000 PSI for four days to recreate conditions similar to those 100 miles below the earth's surface.
Someone studied in class! I'm also pretty sure we can't compare this to her making a Diamond in an instant. It's basically game nonsense, but it's fun thinking about. Us nerds have a habit of pointing to every feat a character preforms, though, so take it or leave it.

Edit: someone could probably also easily find out how much PSI Cerebella exerted by measuring the exact size of the rock she pulls up, which you can bet your ass is at least a metric fuck ton.

Edit 2: ... and also probably the extra amount of force she exerted by measuring the speed of the diamond...
 
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Zidiane said:
Prove it.
Peacock could vaporize her, Double could consume her, Parasoul could incinerate her, Painwheel could rip her to shreds, yada yada yada. I actually think it's relatively simple to Kill Ms. Fortune if you be thorough about it.
As for everything else you said, I hardly even care anymore. Lunerstep is right, we're both being annoying and obnoxious and I'm done with it.
zanestat said:
Dude it's a Kappa I am joking.
My two Cents I agree with Denizen Cerebella is crap tier in my eyes.
I don't think Cerebella is crap tier at all, I think she's definitely a strong fighter, just not that strong.
I'll say it again. Give me a sword and I could beat Cerebella.

I'm liking these lists that people are posting, they're a clear and concise way of showing who you think is strongest without instigating any arguments. I want to see more of them, in fact I might make one myself.
 
Personally I think it's near impossible to tell how strong some characters are as we don't know much about them canon-ly (of course though this is speculation thread so . . .).
That being said I think everyone's under estimating Peacock, as even though she lacks experience she does technically have an ability that most people ignore and that ability is what I dub the Bullshit power. The Bullshit power is basically like early superman where he is presented with a problem and then will make up a new power to combat it (i.e. turning back time, telekinesis, super-ventriloquism, to name few) which is also only capable by Double and the Goddesses.
 
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Wait...actually I think Valentine might actually be the strongest her expirence + becoming the Skullgirl in her ending. Not counting the goddesses of course. Also because waifu.
 
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TheGoggledGamer said:
Personally I think it's near impossible to tell how strong some characters are as we don't know much about them canon-ly (of course though this is speculation thread so . . .).
That being said I think everyone's under estimating Peacock, as even though she lacks experience she does technically have an ability that most people ignore and that ability is what I dub the Bullshit power. The Bullshit power is basically like early superman where he is presented with a problem and then will make up a new power to combat it (i.e. turning back time, telekinesis, super-ventriloquism, to name few) which is also only capable by Double and the Goddesses.

Exactly, so we're just laying out their abilities and ignoring gameplay, at least I am. (Because let's be honest here, who here IS gonna survive a ultimate showstopper irl, much less anything else that babe has to offer.)
 
could we set up a standard of rating so that we can look at this objectively? I propose a modified stand rating system because Fuck you, JJBA is awesome it works pretty well.
Destructive Power: Measures the Character's strength and ability to cause destruction in a given period of time. Not only limited to the muscle of the Character, but to also its abilities combined.
  • Speed: Measures the Character's agility and performance speed.
  • Range: Measures the Character's range of manifestation, range of ability influence, and spatial mobility.
  • Durability/Staying: Measures the Character's endurance and level of susceptibility to damage and attacks. --I guess this could be interpreted as endurance
  • Precision: Measures the Character's accuracy and its ability's range of influence to specified targets.
  • Development Potential/Learning: Measures the Character's possible functions and utilization of its abilities and powers.
And Also like JJBA, we can rate these aspects with a grading rank of A-E, A being prime beef, E being "Why do you even exist?"
It would also help if you gave some sort of rationale along with each grade, huh?
I'm gonna try this with...Fillia, since she's the Ryu and by extension the standard of measurement for the game.
Destructive Power: C; her strength would be below average if not for Samson
Range: D; while Fillia is pretty spry, she can't really keep up with some of the more tele-porty characters.
Durability: C-D; She is still a normal person for the most part, and the fact that she has to eat a lot more than normal to sustain Samson and herself she wouldn't be able to outlast anyone.
Precision: B; Samson is capable of changing his shape to be a wide variety of tools, and Fillia is in-tune enough with him to be able to effectively use those tools
Development Potential/Learning: D; Frankly put, she's stupid. If it wasn't for Samson telling her what to do or where to go, she would probably be dead. She also doesn't seem to enjoy fighting, so I would think she isn't exactly enthusiastic about learning new abilities.
Whaddya think?
And maybe we should start with just the currently made characters and big band, huh? Then add more as we know more?
 
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WaterMystic277 said:
Exactly, so we're just laying out their abilities and ignoring gameplay, at least I am. (Because let's be honest here, who here IS gonna survive a ultimate showstopper irl, much less anything else that babe has to offer.)
The Ultimate Showstopper is the best way to die in Skullgirls if you ask me.
 
CapnWTF said:
could we set up a standard of rating so that we can look at this objectively? I propose a modified stand rating system because Fuck you, JJBA is awesome it works pretty well.
Destructive Power: Measures the Character's strength and ability to cause destruction in a given period of time. Not only limited to the muscle of the Character, but to also its abilities combined.
  • Speed: Measures the Character's agility and performance speed.
  • Range: Measures the Character's range of manifestation, range of ability influence, and spatial mobility.
  • Durability/Staying: Measures the Character's endurance and level of susceptibility to damage and attacks. --I guess this could be interpreted as endurance
  • Precision: Measures the Character's accuracy and its ability's range of influence to specified targets.
  • Development Potential/Learning: Measures the Character's possible functions and utilization of its abilities and powers.
I like this.
I quote this to be the official way we rank characters.
 
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