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Not the first time South Park went anime so not too surprised.

Crap lyrics stuck in my head again
 
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I just started watching Flowers of Evil, and can somebody tell me why this show is so unpopular? It's light years ahead of most anime, and yet it received mixed reviews (from what I can only assume were high school kids upset that there weren't any walking robots in it).

What the fuck? It's a terrific show with great pacing and editing. Why the internet hate?
 
The critics don't like the anime art style with the rotoscoping. The manga version actually had more favorable impressions.

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The mixed reactions pretty much boil down to if you can tolerate the radically different anime aesthetic or not.
 
Number 13 said:
The critics don't like the anime art style with the rotoscoping. The manga version actually had more favorable impressions. The mixed reactions pretty much boil down to if you can tolerate the radically different anime aesthetic or not.
Without exception, the rotoscoped animation shows far more in the way of believable human emotion. Seriously, I just watched Welcome to the NHK, and while I enjoyed it, it's absolute tripe compared to this. If the original NHK novel had been turned into something like Aku No Hana, it would've been amazing.

The whole thing reminds me of the whole, "how to make faith better," controversy from a few years back. It's like anime fans hate the idea of anything that looks real.
 
I'm okay with Rotoscoping, thats a neat Idea, but it does seem that the general head shape and facial structure of the characters dont look remotely similar to their manga counterparts. In a way, theyre basically high quality off-models. I don't know how old the characters are supposed to be, but to have the anime adaptation do something like that is a bit of a slap to the face for people who wanted to see that manga in animated form. It is more realistic, yes, but if you were to judge it as an adaptation, it is visually the equivalent of M. NIGHT's Avatar(though not that bad).
 
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Anyone watching Valvrave? This is one of my favorite recent animes. I haven't caught up with the second season yet, but the first one was really good.
 
They did a whole show with rotoscoping?

I skimmed through the first episode to get an idea for its look and no wonder people dislike it. If you're going to do a whole show with rotoscoping you might as well just make it live action. Seems like you lose so much of the animated feel when you go that route. Keep in mind that I'm only speaking with reference to the aesthetic look of the show.
 
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ragnorok64 said:
They did a whole show with rotoscoping?

I skimmed through the first episode to get an idea for its look and no wonder people dislike it. If you're going to do a whole show with rotoscoping you might as well just make it live action. Seems like you lose so much of the animated feel when you go that route. Keep in mind that I'm only speaking with reference to the aesthetic look of the show.
Aku no Hana is the new barometer that I use to see what kind of viewer a person is. When I read things like, "it's ugly," or, "it's too slow," it reminds me of things said about other pieces of media in the past. I was told by a friend in high school that Citizen Kane was, "boring," and another told me that Kid A was a shitty, lame album.

If you don't like Aku no Hana, then you're just not at the stage where it makes sense to you. That's fine. Young people, by their nature, don't understand everything immediately. There's no shame in saying, "I don't get it."

Just don't go around watching the anime equivalent of Britney Spears while putting down the anime equivalent of King Crimson.
 
Night Phyre said:
Without exception, the rotoscoped animation shows far more in the way of believable human emotion. Seriously, I just watched Welcome to the NHK, and while I enjoyed it, it's absolute tripe compared to this. If the original NHK novel had been turned into something like Aku No Hana, it would've been amazing.

The whole thing reminds me of the whole, "how to make faith better," controversy from a few years back. It's like anime fans hate the idea of anything that looks real.
Night Phyre said:
Aku no Hana is the new barometer that I use to see what kind of viewer a person is. When I read things like, "it's ugly," or, "it's too slow," it reminds me of things said about other pieces of media in the past. I was told by a friend in high school that Citizen Kane was, "boring," and another told me that Kid A was a shitty, lame album.

If you don't like Aku no Hana, then you're just not at the stage where it makes sense to you. That's fine. Young people, by their nature, don't understand everything immediately. There's no shame in saying, "I don't get it."

Just don't go around watching the anime equivalent of Britney Spears while putting down the anime equivalent of King Crimson.

So in your mind if someone doesn't like this show they're either dysfunctional or mentally under developed? Man, get out of here with that garbage. I'm all of 1 year younger than the age posted in your profile and Chibi is actually older than you.

If a show's subject matter is unappealing, it's art style looks terrible, and it's slow paced on top of that then it's not giving viewers much reason to invest time into it. I skimmed through the first couple episodes to get a feel for its art style and nothing I saw made it look appealing. Typically in a case like this, if a show comes highly recommended I'd give it a chance, but the only recommendation I've seen for it comes from you. Your tone is such that I'm now much much less likely to ever invest time into it than I would have been otherwise.
 
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ragnorok64 said:
They did a whole show with rotoscoping?

I skimmed through the first episode to get an idea for its look and no wonder people dislike it. If you're going to do a whole show with rotoscoping you might as well just make it live action. Seems like you lose so much of the animated feel when you go that route. Keep in mind that I'm only speaking with reference to the aesthetic look of the show.
That's not true at all. A lot of classic disney movies were rotoscoped, it's a pretty diverse animation style. You're probably seeing the realism of the art (in that they pretty much traced the people's faces.) From what I can gather, this is to anime as Avatar is to CGI animated movies.

Night Phyre said:
Aku no Hana is the new barometer that I use to see what kind of viewer a person is. When I read things like, "it's ugly," or, "it's too slow," it reminds me of things said about other pieces of media in the past. I was told by a friend in high school that Citizen Kane was, "boring," and another told me that Kid A was a shitty, lame album.

If you don't like Aku no Hana, then you're just not at the stage where it makes sense to you. That's fine. Young people, by their nature, don't understand everything immediately. There's no shame in saying, "I don't get it."

Just don't go around watching the anime equivalent of Britney Spears while putting down the anime equivalent of King Crimson.
That's really pretentious of you.
I mean, they're allowed not to like the art style, that's pretty fucking subjective. But apparently if they don't have the exact same definition of beauty as you, they're simply "too young to get it." I'm pretty neutral towards it myself, but it's not very difficult to see how people would dislike it.
 
Horseman said:
That's not true at all. A lot of classic disney movies were rotoscoped, it's a pretty diverse animation style. You're probably seeing the realism of the art (in that they pretty much traced the people's faces.) From what I can gather, this is to anime as Avatar is to CGI animated movies...
You mean like this?

The technique used here still retains all the animated charm while capturing the body language and nuance of the live action actress. If these count as examples of rotoscoping, then I guess the issues ultimately isn't so much rotoscoping itself but the way it's employed. But you have to admit there is a certain miasma that hangs about the technique. When I heard that a whole anime was done with rotoscoping my mind immediately jumped to something like Kanye West's "Heartless"

as opposed to Disney Classics. And that ended up being right on the money.


Edit: You know it definitely is about how it's employed because the Take on Me video still holds up all there years later.
 
I dont mind anime doing different artsyles, but it shouldt try to be innovative with it. do what you think is best and try to make something memorable with it.

I love cell shading, but I can find some crappy cell shaded stuff where it aged horribly. but look at pre-hd windwaker and even the new guilty gear, and you'll see that the animation there looks great.

in ANH, it would have worked if they sped it up a bit, or somehow added alpha-frames. because I saw the animation sped up and it looked VASTLY better from it. the design isnt bad, but the animation is way too choppy for me to like it.
 
Night Phyre said:
Aku no Hana is the new barometer that I use to see what kind of viewer a person is. When I read things like, "it's ugly," or, "it's too slow," it reminds me of things said about other pieces of media in the past. I was told by a friend in high school that Citizen Kane was, "boring," and another told me that Kid A was a shitty, lame album.
You can also use Kemonozume if you want to see if people can look past an 'ugly' art style.
 
I've been reading AnH from the start and I gave the anime a go but I couldn't bother with it past the first episode.

It is genuinely UGLY. Like it's unappealing, so I'm sticking with the manga.
 
How does one become the sophisticated and cultured type of anime viewer I've been hearing about here?

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You don't indulge in my elite class anime preferences? You like to watch THAT kind of anime that is meant for the HELP? What a brutish uneducated fellow I daresay!

Oh Jenkins! Be sure to prepare the feast of Hot Pockets and Mountain Dew as I make preparations in the study for my favorite upcoming anime marathon run that I must partake with the chaps this evening!
 
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again, I recommend watching the series at like, twice the speed. it honestly becomes more appealing from it. its still not great, but its sorta, kinda, maybe, somewhat, almost all the way, there.
 
Night Phyre said:
That looks fuckin' dope. Is it good?
It's not bad, but not really my cup of tea - Now that I've seen it, I don't have much desire to ever watch it again. But that doesn't mean much because I feel the same way about a lot of 'good' films like Blade Runner, Citizen Kane and Shawshank.

I guess I'd recommend it as an experience, if nothing else. Ending is wack, though.
 
Sanoblaze said:
again, I recommend watching the series at like, twice the speed. it honestly becomes more appealing from it. its still not great, but its sorta, kinda, maybe, somewhat, almost all the way, there.

I don't. If you have to speed it up to make it bearable it fails from the start. haha
 
Vadsamoht said:
You can also use Kemonozume if you want to see if people can look past an 'ugly' art style.
This is the only thing I've seen about that and only just remembered this now you've mentioned it

On the topic of animu stepping up it's game with refinement and such, the storytelling in Baccano is some impressive stuff, the way that it starts off confusing, in the middle is just damn enjoyable, and then at the end the climax ties everything together. Not knowing who's immortal and when actually made immortality work, unlike in something like Hellsing where it was just a matter of "well he's pretty much invincible he's not gonna die" and any sort of tension was lost (although it was undeniably enjoyable, even if not bloated with a refined and intellectual plot).

Additionally, the approaches of Shinsekai Yori and Mawaru Penguindrum to plot progression was questionable, but at the end managed to be overwhelmingly satisfying, managing to tie up so much in just the final episode and being expressively emotive about it too. If they don't qualify for an elitist view on what something should be because they aren't direct traces of human beings then I'd begin to doubt any sort of integrity said elitist has, especially since a viewpoint like that completely disregards the exceptional quality of FLCL, all of which was complimented by an amazing art style.

Heck, even typical angsty stuff like Madoka has brought stuff to the table, Madoka bringing - or more accurately popularising - the deception of the viewer (the first episode of Kuroshitsuji II actually pulled it off quite successfully too, and there are probably things prior to it that did the same sort of thing).

It's easy to judge the state of animu and mango based on all the sucky harem crap that's everywhere, but basing your view on that is no different from disregarding the games industry as something full of military shooters, or the movie industry as a collection of action movies with more money than people know what to do with spent on CGI. There are always things underneath the top layer that are actually worth looking at if you want more than just mindless boom boom pow pantyshots and such, they're just harder to rummage through than other stuff.
 
Can I say I like anime even though I can't get into any anime aside from Dragon Ball? I've tried all animes from that one kenshiro thing to one piece naruto black geass or some shit like that, some shit with a robot, i forgot what its called too, berserk, gundam, all that shit, I couldn't get into it tho....maybe its just nostalgia
 
Prison School has one of the best facial expressions/body language displayed in manga. Fair warning though the manga is very ecchi if anybody didn't knew that already.
 
Number 13 said:
Prison School has one of the best facial expressions/body language displayed in manga. Fair warning though the manga is very ecchi if anybody didn't knew that already.
how ecchi we talkin'? like, more or less than Sekirei?
 
Pantyshot and full breast exposure pretty much every chapter with breast size varying from small to huge.
 
I've got a question for all you otaku nerds out there.

Consider a person like me, who has never watched a single Gundam. What Gundam would you recommend to such a person if they could only watch one? Note, that person is also completely new to giant robot anime in general.
 
Hah speaking about the creator of Gundam, I remember recently when he was comparing the illustration of the violence in Attack on Titan to 'pornography' making it difficult for him to commit on reading/discussing the manga.
 
Number 13 said:
Hah speaking about the creator of Gundam, I remember recently when he was comparing the illustration of the violence in Attack on Titan to 'pornography' making it difficult for him to commit on reading/discussing the manga.
I just heard about that recently honestly.
 
Sanoblaze said:
go fuck yourself creator of gundam.
Number 13 said:
Hah speaking about the creator of Gundam, I remember recently when he was comparing the illustration of the violence in Attack on Titan to 'pornography' making it difficult for him to commit on reading/discussing the manga.
So far I don't like the sound of this guy.
 
Denizen said:
So far I don't like the sound of this guy.
Yeah that old guy is known to give off colorful opinions on various topics in the anime verse which some might argue is part of his charm.

In any case, about your original question can't really help you since I don't read/watch too much mecha stuff including most of the Gundam works.
 
I don't know much about Gundam either, but! there's a little tidbit of Gundam left over from my childhood. It goes a little something like
Still the hypest shit.
 
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its the hypest shit but its a shame its series is in a franchise created by a shit.
 
Shit Presents:
Hype Shit Gundam: More Hype Shit
 
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but not as hype as macross frontier's big wednesday scene

because nothing will ever top big wednesday.
 
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