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Focusing Community Turnout at SG Tourney Events

mcpeanuts said:
, I mean there's a Dunkin Donuts right outside the ballroom that's OP

Literally all I need to hear. I should have accrued enough PTO by then to make both this and CEOTaku, and I don't plan on going to NEC again because I actually like having fun at fighting game tournaments.
 
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i honestly don't see you actually crying Peanuts... but GUTS 4 is really good news. Is great day so far.
 
Oh yeah I should use this time and space to say that if you're in the Midwest you should come to MAXOUT because we're one of the biggest Skullgirls monthlies in the country at this point.
 
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I forget if we discussed this as a community out in the open, but if we haven't we probably should start bringing this up: Should we even keep trying to go to Big E events?

It feels like ever since NEC 2014 we've had nothing but problems with Big E events, and from the hearsay/gossip I had heard from Winter Brawl (which I won't explicitly repeat in thread since I wasn't there, but I do want to point out it's existence to everyone and hope people who know more about it address it) the situation doesn't look like it'll ever get better at this rate.

Given the the fact that there are other tournaments that (maybe?) treat the community better, like NWM, CEOtaku, and with Guts coming back, we have alternatives that are better suited for us. And with the recent open criticism of Final Round from Jebailey (which he has since taken down, but the gist is still here) and SRK, I feel like maybe its time we finally collectively address this issue.

If you go to Big E events for other games, or for the people there, that's okay, but for those of us who just want to have a good SG tournament, is it time to move on?
 
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fenster said:
I forget if we discussed this as a community out in the open, but if we haven't we probably should start bringing this up: Should we even keep trying to go to Big E events?

It feels like ever since NEC 2014 we've had nothing but problems with Big E events, and from the hearsay/gossip I had heard from Winter Brawl (which I won't explicitly repeat in thread since I wasn't there, but I do want to point out it's existence to everyone and hope people who know more about it address it) the situation doesn't look like it'll ever get better at this rate.

Given the the fact that there are other tournaments that (maybe?) treat the community better, like NWM, CEOtaku, and with Guts coming back, we have alternatives that are better suited for us. And with the recent open criticism of Final Round from Jebailey (which he has since taken down, but the gist is still here) and SRK, I feel like maybe its time we finally collectively address this issue.

If you go to Big E events for other games, or for the people there, that's okay, but for those of us who just want to have a good SG tournament, is it time to move on?

In my opinion:

The short answer is yes.

The long answer is also yes but with more discussion aimed around which events we should make an effort to support and blow up the numbers for so there's multiple events a year worth going to for SG players.
 
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I wouldn't hate moving away from BigE events.
I was especially disappointed with how NEC and WB were run these last few months.
 
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Literally the only reason I wanted to go to an East Coast SG major was because that's where the talent for the game is. I don't have to go to NEC or Winter Brawl for that, I can go to GUTS or whatever other event the EC Skullgirls players go to.
 
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A bunch of people have already moved on from Big E events. Lotta my Skullfriends who live an hour from Winter Brawl decided not to go. Big E tournaments were always at least worth it for the company, but even that's starting to become less true.
 
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FuLLBLeeD said:
Literally the only reason I wanted to go to an East Coast SG major was because that's where the talent for the game is.

Man do you have no Midwest pride

Let's fucking go Midwest we're not actually bad at the game

*insert quotes from Frosty's from EC players who didn't know Midwest sleeper players*
 
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fenster said:
Man do you have no Midwest pride

Let's fucking go Midwest we're not actually bad at the game

*insert quotes from Frosty's from EC players who didn't know Midwest sleeper players*
lol am I the EC player in this quote? I know a lot of Midwest players I just didn't know about Emperor .__.
 
fenster said:
Man do you have no Midwest pride

Let's fucking go Midwest we're not actually bad at the game

*insert quotes from Frosty's from EC players who didn't know Midwest sleeper players*

Well NEC was before Frosty Faustings where Midwest walked through the Hyperbolic Time Chamber

Could you get a car that doesn't explode when you look at it so you can come to MAXOUT already?
 
I time chamber'd. Then I got online and my skills were so last season. :(

Oh well. Top 8 here I come.
 
Focusing Community Turnout at SG Tourney Events
 
FuLLBLeeD said:
Focusing Community Turnout at SG Tourney Events
Come to maxout if you live in the Midwest. I want your money. I mean, I'm bad.
 
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FuLLBLeeD said:
Could you get a car that doesn't explode when you look at it so you can come to MAXOUT already?

Negative :(

Though maybe I can convince @Gelato to go and we could try to scam scheme negotiate someone or way to go out there.


mcpeanuts said:
lol am I the EC player in this quote? I know a lot of Midwest players I just didn't know about Emperor .__.

Actually no, I was thinking of that one guy who during pools was shouted out, "Yo, fuck, why is Midwest so good! I thought ya'll were free!", in reference to some other MW players which I don't remember who exactly it was but I don't think it was you.
 
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fenster said:
"Yo, fuck, why is Midwest so good! I thought ya'll were free!", in reference to some other MW players which I don't remember who exactly it was but I don't think it was you.

I read this in Munoz's voice.
 
re: big E events

As people have mentioned, in the past big E events have been relatively poorly run (as an entrant in non SG games I can confirm we are not the only ones with problems, for what it's worth I don't think big E is particularly discriminating against SG as much as just favoring big games like SF, etc). However the actual tournament is like, 10% of the weekend and for most people it's not the main reason people come out. Tournaments are a social event and regardless of the TO that part is the same. (NEC venue sucked but I thought the other venue, the one summer jam was at, was good). As long as people keep coming out I will continue to support Big E events. For people who it's a long trip from Midwest/WC/etc. I can understand not going, but I think it's a good event to close out the year for the northeast and whoever else is able to come out.
 
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While I agree that big e events favor big games at the detriment of everything, I also heard there problems actually getting paid. That much is pretty unacceptable if true.
 
Dhoppler said:
While I agree that big e events favor big games at the detriment of everything, I also heard there problems actually getting paid. That much is pretty unacceptable if true.

I think most people have gotten paid at this point, the big issue was not getting medals which I agree sucks. idk I'm probably just biased because I live in the middle of nowhere so I don't get to play SG offline much, so whenever there's an event where EC's talent shows up I like to be there. If people really stop going to NEC I will too but as it stands I go for the people not the organizer and people still hit up NEC.
 
Well if it's that then whatever. I'll go where the community gathers. I'd rather it be a place where everyone is happy tho.
 
Dhoppler said:
While I agree that big e events favor big games at the detriment of everything, I also heard there problems actually getting paid. That much is pretty unacceptable if true.
fwiw everyone got paid for Winter Brawl. But from what I hear Cloud has still not gotten his $100 for TFC. @cloudKing211 correct me if I'm wrong about that

No medals is total bullshit tho
 
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It not just SG, Streamers aren't getting paid after events either.

I also think its pretty fucked up that either the players or the streamers have to provide setups for the tournament. I talked to MKX TOs and they had brought their own setups too.

Unacceptable.
 
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No casuals on Sunday is pretty unacceptable in my opinion. A big part of my decision to not return to NEC is how little time I actually spent playing fighting games the entire weekend. Aside from Third Strike on Friday (which I did play all night) I probably played less than 2 hours of games all weekend.
 
For what it's worth: I got to talk to @thehadou at Frosty's about the process of how people set up pot bonuses for games. It turns out that when people donate pot bonuses (at least at Combo Breaker), a fraction of the money ($1 out of $10 if I recall correctly) goes to paying production staff - which includes commentators - in order to improve a tournament's presentation to the point where it's worth the prestige of a pot bonus. Basically, Combo Breaker pays people who are part of production.
 
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dapurplesharpie said:
It not just SG, Streamers aren't getting paid after events either.

I also think its pretty fucked up that either the players or the streamers have to provide setups for the tournament. I talked to MKX TOs and they had brought their own setups too.

Unacceptable.
Didn't know the streamers weren't getting paid that's garbo
 
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I still haven't gotten paid for summer jam. I think it would've only been like $16 but still.
 
Duckator said:
I still haven't gotten paid for summer jam. I think it would've only been like $16 but still.

o i guess i'm glad i'm not the only one then, i'm in the same situation where i haven't gotten paid but its not enough money for me to want to bother him constantly over it
 
mcpeanuts said:
fwiw everyone got paid for Winter Brawl. But from what I hear Cloud has still not gotten his $100 for TFC. @cloudKing211 correct me if I'm wrong about that

No medals is total bullshit tho
You arent wrong
I cant seem to get him at the right time it seems.

I hope he got back that tuesday
 
For the record, I don't blame anybody wanting to abandon Big E's events. The only reason I pulled for those three is because they were (at the time) the only avenue I had. While I do appreciate everyone coming out like they did as a show of unity for the game during my push throughout 2015 and at WBX, you frankly deserve better. Thankfully, now that KPB has brought on Sharpie, Broken Loose, Dhoppler, Peanuts & Zid into the fold, I haven't a doubt in my mind that they'll make what I did last year look like chump change.
 
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The issue with Big E events wasn't just that SG/SGE/SG2E was run poorly. It was that everything was run poorly, people didn't get paid, the venue choices were terrible, and we occasionally got fucked over as a community. In TYOOL 2016, we have enough good options to not have to settle for that shit anymore.

When Walgreens offers free flu vaccines twice a year, you don't have to deal with getting sick anymore. I'm not outright saying that Big E majors are a disease, but seriously we get top billing, great scheduling, great venues, paid on time, main stage, Sunday casuals, special events, closer food options, and better staff at Combo Breaker, CEOtaku, GUTS, etc. I'm not desperate enough to want to go to anymore Big E majors at this point.
 
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Broken Loose said:
I'm not desperate enough to want to go to anymore Big E majors at this point.

Well said, my friend... well said.
 
I should say I'd still go to Big E events if I actually lived on the East Coast and they were in reasonable driving distance (like within two hours)...but the fact I wasted one of the trips to a major I had budgeted that year on NEC and not something else (see CEOTaku) man...just, I fucked up.

I'm OK with driving to a tournament I know isn't going to be great if they have games I play there and I get to hang out with my friends. Back in the heyday of Street Fighter 4, this was the thing to do. My friends and I drove to tons of tournaments in the midwest that we knew were kind of ass, but we went anyway to hang out with our out of town friends. That's kind of happening now with Street Fighter 5. Lots of tournaments popping up everywhere, and I'll go them even if I think they'll be "not great' if they're in driving distance because it's something to do.

That being said, when there's planning involved for hotel booking, flight booking, and transpiration to and back from the venue, that's a huge time/money investment on your part, and it should be your expectation that the event is not run poorly and you actually HAVE FUN, or it all feels like kind of a waste (if not a total waste).

What I'm saying is, NEC felt like a tournament I should have only gone to if I could have driven there. That's not great for a major IMO.
 
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Meanwhile, I'm stuck going only to Big E events because they're the only thing that are local to me and I can't afford anything else.
Sigh.
 
My NEC experience was meh. Even ignoring my performance, I'm not interested in attending a Big E major ever again. CEOtaku is the only tournament i'm willing to fly across the country for. GUTS too because GUTS 3 is still the best tournament experience I've ever had, although I'm picking CEOtaku over it this year.

Also Man, I blew up people not getting paid at Big E events a few months ago, then was told to delete the tweets because I was misinformed. Then I come to this thread to find out that I wasn't misinformed after all. Good shit.

Unless something changes, my planned 2016 attendance lineup will be Frosty Faustings (unless I try to do something for AGDQ) - Anime Ascension (I'm a BB player after all) - NWM - Combo Breaker - CEOtaku
 
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