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I used to have some respect for Peacock players who PBGC into the punch move...

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RemiKz said:
I'm still sitting here like
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Give me wall bounce with full combo please
 
MegamanDS said:
Give me wall bounce with full combo please
Peacock has to have you in the corner to get the wall bounce, how often do you let that happen? Fukua can still fireball super after for a combo or lvl 3 if she really wants to.
 
:QCF: Invulnerable move that can be combo'd off of?

 
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Dolfinh said:
I just want to say that the number of times this thread came up during conversations at NEC was actually out of control.
lmao, glad I can be there in spirit.

And the fact that it came up, I'm assuming some people took my side on the issue? I talked to 'top' SG players about this but they don't want to contribute to this thread. I don't mind being a shield for the voices.
 
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MegamanDS said:
lmao, glad I can be there in spirit.

And the fact that it came up, I'm assuming some people took my side on the issue? I talked to 'top' SG players about this but they don't want to contribute to this thread. I don't mind being a shield for the voices.
Your assumption reminds me of this
 
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MegamanDS said:
Until I found out the punch move is just a fireball and not an uppercut recently. You guys lucked out with such an OP move for little execution.

ITT:

John Choi put on blast and exposed as a fraud for using anti-air fireballs instead of shoryus
 
What about Parasoul ? She doesn't even need to commit to a forward input and pillar is a way better move.
 
PandaGirlBingo said:
What about Parasoul ? She doesn't even need to commit to a forward input and pillar is a way better move.
Don't even compare a charge move to a fireball please...
 
Why? they have around the same difficulty. In fact, I find charge move lot easier..
 
Dime said:
The real pbgc cheese/reversal cheese is Gregor for obvious reasons I shouldn't have to spell out. Give that Gregor a safe on block dhc and good luck making filia block anything.
I know this is just a bait and it's wrong for me to even think about this, but there's no fucking way we can just overlook this post, right?
 
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Broken Loose said:
I know this is just a bait and it's wrong for me to even think about this, but there's no fucking way we can just overlook this post, right?
Do any multihit confirm against filia, blocked, and let her pushblock it so she doesn't get pushed back, then mash Gregor pbgc. Profit.

Yes it's baitable. Doesn't make it any less stupid.

Most people that mash Gregor from what I've seen do it in resets (this is bad because it has no hitstop) or when they pushblock someone a million miles away and so the move is easy to block or beat out since the invincibility is only really a little more than point blank. But against someone that is actually good and knows the game, you can't really go for deep multi hit hitconfirms against Gregor pbgc unless you want to go for a ride.


Like I said... As a pbgc. Not as a reset reversal.
 
Dime said:
Do any multihit confirm against filia, blocked, and let her pushblock it so she doesn't get pushed back, then mash Gregor pbgc. Profit.

Yes it's baitable. Doesn't make it any less stupid.

Most people that mash Gregor from what I've seen do it in resets (this is bad because it has no hitstop) or when they pushblock someone a million miles away and so the move is easy to block or beat out since the invincibility is only really a little more than point blank. But against someone that is actually good and knows the game, you can't really go for deep multi hit hitconfirms against Gregor pbgc unless you want to go for a ride.


Like I said... As a pbgc. Not as a reset reversal.
what motion is this mashable gregor?
 
Of all the things people hate about Gregor, the motion is not one of them.
 
Dreamepitaph said:
so its like your quarter circle forward but reverse......so, by your logic you can buffer gregor and still block?

FUCKING SICK
But if they input it as a half circle back and do the motion really late, they'll be hit while holding forward. This is apparently very important.
 
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Dime said:
Do any multihit confirm against filia, blocked, and let her pushblock it so she doesn't get pushed back, then mash Gregor pbgc. Profit.

Yes it's baitable. Doesn't make it any less stupid.

Most people that mash Gregor from what I've seen do it in resets (this is bad because it has no hitstop) or when they pushblock someone a million miles away and so the move is easy to block or beat out since the invincibility is only really a little more than point blank. But against someone that is actually good and knows the game, you can't really go for deep multi hit hitconfirms against Gregor pbgc unless you want to go for a ride.


Like I said... As a pbgc. Not as a reset reversal.
How is this stronger than pbgc jab, updo, dynamo, or thresher?
 
Broken Loose said:
How is this stronger than pbgc jab, updo, dynamo, or thresher?
Jab doesn't have invincibility into the first active frame and isn't unblockable.
Dynamo outside corner doesn't lead to full combo (but pbgc Dynamo is still great as a defensive option)
Updo isn't as easily Mashable, Gregor option selects block during its motion and gives autoguard after the pushblock no matter what. (Updo is still a great pbgc though, but more thought required, updo tends to not hit both characters as well sometimes... Your a filia main, you know this)

Pbgc thresher is great but requires air.

Gregor requires neither air nor ground and gives you auto guard during its pbgc as a rule...


Answer your question?

It isn't broken and it's baitable and it's not something to rely on, but it's still something to know about and get yourself some easy reversals if your opponent is so inclined to do dumb gregorable things to you... Such as allowing you to block filias, cr.mk.... That's basically the enemy filia going for a guaranteed ride if you PB the first hit of her cr.mk and pbgc the rest of the move. I THINK filia might be able to cancel into st.hk and avoid the Gregor long enough to allow filia to counter updo/Gregor or whatever.
 
you can convert off dynamo midscreen with the right assists
 
This thread is funny.
 
Dime said:
Jab doesn't have invincibility into the first active frame and isn't unblockable.
Dynamo outside corner doesn't lead to full combo (but pbgc Dynamo is still great as a defensive option)
Updo isn't as easily Mashable, Gregor option selects block during its motion and gives autoguard after the pushblock no matter what. (Updo is still a great pbgc though, but more thought required, updo tends to not hit both characters as well sometimes... Your a filia main, you know this)

Pbgc thresher is great but requires air.

Gregor requires neither air nor ground and gives you auto guard during its pbgc as a rule...


Answer your question?

It isn't broken and it's baitable and it's not something to rely on, but it's still something to know about and get yourself some easy reversals if your opponent is so inclined to do dumb gregorable things to you... Such as allowing you to block filias, cr.mk.... That's basically the enemy filia going for a guaranteed ride if you PB the first hit of her cr.mk and pbgc the rest of the move. I THINK filia might be able to cancel into st.hk and avoid the Gregor long enough to allow filia to counter updo/Gregor or whatever.
What logic makes Gregor less blockable than jab?
 
Broken Loose said:
What logic makes Gregor less blockable than jab?
Gregor has hitstop, jab doesn't. Opponent in middle of move hits jab because jab has no invincibility. Opponent in middle of move gets hit by Gregor because Gregor has invincibility.
Gregor is also faster than jab, if opponent wasn't in blocking state before Gregor screen freezes, then assuming correct range, Gregor is unblockable like most every other super in the game.


Why do you always argue needless points and cherry pick useless stuff then change goalposts, I tell you everything you need to know and you come up with more inane stuff to try and argue your point.


Here. Pbgc in the middle of cerecopter with jab, does it work? No. Now pbgc in the middle of cerecopter with Gregor, does it work? Yes.

There is no argument here. You are arguing non invincible stuff versus invincible stuff.
 
I was literally asking how Gregor was unblockable but jab was somehow not. The only person who moved the goalposts was you.

For the record, hitstop does not make a move unblockable. It just means that Gregor technically has 4f startup in point-blank, no Drama conditions. Jab has 5f startup. If 1 frame is enough to make a move unblockable, then you need to to re-evaluate your entire thought process.

Additionally, Gregor would trade (but more often than not lose) if done as a PBGC against a move with currently active frames (supposing its hitbox connected) since it has a whole 1 frame of overlapping active and invulnerable frames (and a hitbox that is only significantly disjointed above and below the character). Gregor only wins in situations where it places Filia physically underneath projectiles.
 
And now we've gone to frame fighter to explain stuff. Yep, I'm done.

I'll continue to evaluate things on how they actually work and you can concentrate on how things "should" work according to frame fighter. Good luck with that.
 
But broken loose is actually right on this. It's extremely commonly known and seen that pbgc Gregor still loses in tons of cases if you ever see good filia players in casuals or streams.

Just the other day, a filia pbgc'd at Max clp range against my Eliza as I was using SHPx2 In a block string for fun, and Gregor got completely stuffed by one of the hits. And this is far from the only time this has happened in actual matches AS pbgc and not just mashing as you seem to imply that's what we do instead of pbgcing.

That's not to say Gregor is worthless for reversals out pressure, resets, or pbgc entirely. But of all the "mashable" things in SG, which I guess what this thread is about?, Gregor is fairly mild.

It's pretty rude to say that broken loose is somehow the one talking on hypotheticals and that you're the "realist" here, given that broken loose was the one here who traveled out to the latest SG major, NEC, where I saw no less than 2-3 instances of Gregor loosing as pbgc from the several filia players there, and you didn't. That's not a slam against you for not attending an American event, since obv that's a Monumental task for non Americans, but your comment comes across as insular and hostile (which broken loose started off here as too, but this whole thread is pretty jokey).

There's a reason that "Gregor sucks" is a small-meme that we say occasionally, and it's not because we haven't discovered how to Use PBGC defensively in its various uses and options either.
 
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The phrase "frame fighter" as a pejorative is anti-intellectual as fuck and makes me wonder how you think the game even works. The move is LITERALLY just frame data and hitboxes. If the hitbox is bad, the move won't magically have good range in spite of it (see: Tricho).
 
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Man just face it guys

The punch move is OP

PBGC Gregor is the G O D

Fireball motion reversals deserve NO respect

Big Band has no arms therefore he cant block

Squigly may or may not be legal

Valentines knees make no sense

Fenster needs a twitter avatar
 
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