you're saying that we don't need feminism in the gaming community because the gaming community will find its way, 'just like other art forms have.' what i'm saying is, other art forms haven't found their way. they're probably doing better than games are, but to suggest that they just naturally became inclusive, and didn't need feminism at all to do that, when they're still really not very inclusive in the first place, is silly.
Never said gaming didn't need feminism, or that other art forms were perfect. All I said is that I can understand why people might get upset if a character design is redesigned based on issues other than the merit of the character design. I don't have a problem with working to make all mediums more inclusive.
anyway, nowhere do people suggest that it is impossible for an individual creator to make a good female character without being actively, explicitly pushed to make her a feminist character. but right now we are in an environment where feminism is rejected as an unwanted, antagonistic force with no place poking its nose in 'our' community. that's very much the environment we're in right now, and if you disagree that that's the case then i guess this is just an intractable discussion.
"there is a reason that the public narrative surrounding video game culture is maturing. the reason is that there are activist groups "forcing their ideologies" on people. who
else do you think is responsible for that, lol"
I'm sure you didn't intend it that way, but you did sort of imply that being "pushed" was the main reason for such characters to be created. You than stated that "most of the people creating those characters are doing the pushing", which may be true for some of them (I guess you're right about Jade ) but is still a very broad blanket statement that is unfair to many creators considering they probably had a wealth of inspirations and motivations (again, not saying you meant it that way, but it kind of came off that way when I was reading it).
Again, I believe I said somewhere in one of my previous posts on this line of though that "I'm not saying feminism hasn't helped", I just think it's unfair to credit it as the sole factor, which is what your original post could have been inadvertantly read as (especially with the italisized "who ELSE", implying it could be no one else).
*EDIT* Reading that quote about Jade again, actually that sounds exactly like what I was saying. They just wanted to make a unique female character with her own personality who wasn't a total fantasy or stereotype.
but right now we are in an environment where feminism is rejected as an unwanted, antagonistic force with no place poking its nose in 'our' community. that's very much the environment we're in right now, and if you disagree that that's the case then i guess this is just an intractable discussion.
I have no problem with feminism. I don't see it as an antagonistic force. I don't disagree.
I think the two monikers are kinda cute actually, and I like a lot of the characters to which they are most often applied. I think I'll keep using it.
I try to avoid terms that I consider offensive or offensive to others ("fag" autism jokes, really ugly words, etc.). But I don't consider using an Admiral Ackbar reference to describe an androgynous cartoon boy from a game about walking heavy metal references to be either.
I mean, it's not like it's a genital reference or anything gross (which is maybe what you're thinking based on your revulsion???). The old joke is just that the character designer deliberately designed the character so that people of the same gender would get a crush on him/her and than get their hearts broken when they found out said character was the same gender, hence the whole thing was a trap. It's a dumb anime joke for anime characters, nothing to be offended by tbh.
you're trying to take a 'neutral' stance here by saying that you aren't taking sides, that you're not interested in letting 'political' forces entering the realm of gaming. but what's 'neutral' about that? it's just a reinforcement of the bad, unfair status quo. it's extremely political to say that group X or group Y shouldn't be able to be allowed to have their say or influence.
I'm not saying that at all. I merely said a game being tampered with for political correctness or whatever by someone other than the creator was what
some people are afraid of. I did not say that it was a justified fear. I am merely trying to be empathetic and fair to both sides, I don't think feminism is bad for games, and I don't like to see people smeared as "sexists" or "feminazi's" because they didn't get their thoughts across properly despite having good intentions.
I think this discussion has grown far too combative, and didn't deserve more than a page to begin with.
All that really happened with Mighty No.9 was some fools panicked because they thought Beck was going to be changed into some deviantart rule 63 version of himself, when anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together could have told you that Keiji Inafune isn't going to redesign any of his characters and scrap a shit ton of sprites and animation because of one community manager in the usa.
Like I said, I have no problem with feminists, feminists in the gaming industry, or the thought of having more diversity in female video game characters (which would be awesome).