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Skullheart's changes.

Quite the opposite, I'm sure you'll find.
 
Pretty sure Annie is just banned from areas like gameplay section. Reason:.....Annie has no gameplay!

Also pretty sure you can make an Annie Art thread or have any existing Annie thread moved to a more suitable location once that happens.
 
Skarmand said:
This site has no ads or subscriptions, I don't think they generate any revenue off this.

I don't think it's about being more popular.

That's what it should be about if you want more people to play skullgirls.
 
Number 13 said:
Pretty sure Annie is just banned from gameplay.
Holy cow, I knew she was strong but SHEESH!
 
Grangach said:
That's what it should be about if you want more people to play skullgirls.
That should be on the overall community. Not just moderation because there is so much we can only do.
 
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Skullheart is a framework that provides a solid base for communication regarding Skullgirls. Without trust in that framework, the Skullgirls community will pretty much be a pile of mush without much of an ability to get major things done.
 
It is impossible to discuss Skullgirls without also being able to discuss the latest episodes of my favorite Chinese cartoons
 
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The Skullgirls community doesn't have to be all Skullgirls all the time. That would get dull quickly.
 
Technically there are 'other fighting games' currently open that isn't SG related.

Not saying that is gonna be the final solution or not, but that has always been an options since this move.
 
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@off topic people: Has anyone tried making a thread called something like "Character specific frame trap options with Ms Fortune" but then actually using it to discuss Pokemon or whatever? Worth a shot, the mods might not notice.
 
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mcpeanuts said:
@off topic people: Has anyone tried making a thread called something like "Character specific frame trap options with Ms Fortune" but then actually using it to discuss Pokemon or whatever? Worth a shot, the mods might not notice.
Do you seriously want the majority of Skullheart's userbase to be banned?
 
I seriously hope you're joking, because I can't tell.
 
True since it would be fairly deceptive if we are not checking the threads themselves every so often, but you have to remember there is always that one person who will report too. Intentionally derailing a thread at the very least warrants an infraction for obvious reasons because I'm sure the people who were legitimately interested in a topic about Fortune Tech opens a thread and seeing people talk about Pikachu would be an annoying experience to say the least.
 
OK, now you're just trolling. Think I'm gonna wait for someone else to come in before replying to this thread again.
 
Number 13 said:
That should be on the overall community. Not just moderation because there is so much we can only do.

you could start by not making skullheart an unwelcoming place for casuals.
 
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Skarmand said:
Please share your insight on how that is a thing right now and how we can help make it better.

Off topic is a place where people that are not high level players can contribute and feel valuable. By taking that away you're lowering the opportunities for those people to be pulled into the "serious business" boards, because they have nowhere to contribute and therefor no investment in the community.
 
Surely you jest. I thought that was what the beginner section was for if casuals didn't want to deal with the real technical mumbojumbo in the gameplay section. I liked OT as much as the next guy as a frequent visitor, but I'm not that naive to suggest someone would come to a SG central site solely for OT when there are plenty of alternative avenues for such discussion.
 
Let me try and wrap my head around this.
So Skullgirls the site for Skullgirls is unwelcoming for casual players because the current site doesn't allow them to post about things that aren't the game. Despite having a giant helpful beginner section where people answer questions all the time in a friendly manner, the lack of OT section means go away casuals.

You don't have to be able to post a thread about Coke and Lemonade or your favorite anime to casually learn and play and discuss Skullgirls on Skullheart.

And if the beginner section is unwelcoming I disagree.

Vs Fukua + Double assist zoning

Surviving long combos + advice

Answering a question on when the timer starts for Undizzy

Unblockable Protection vs AG answered

On teching grabs while crouching

These were just pulled from a few I found in the beginner section.
I never see anyone be mean or rude unless the first post is antagonizing and calling the game dumb and stupid and insulting balance at 10 hours in, because the OP has no patience.
 
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I'm not saying thats why people come I'm saying that's what invests them in the community because they have a place they can contribute to. If the goal of the forum is just to have a glorified Q&A then we should just write a game faq and save everyone's time.
 
Beginner forum ain't doing well when it comes to people actually discussing things right now. Only seven non-stickied threads have had people post in them since the Christmas changes.
 
How active the beginner section is irrelevant. It is a resource that is available to all and it's on the community on whether or not it becomes relevant. Best moderation can do is do further reforming in that section when we get to that in our list, but all the reforming in the world won't matter if the community doesn't participate.

Don't get me wrong, I literally read pages and pages of feedback solely about the OT change and there has been legitimate arguments why it should at least stayed in a reformed entity, but the argument of "SH is too serious and only OT is where things are casual" isn't one of them.

Edit: Anyone it has been a time and a half being here and I have other areas of the forum to work on so if you have any more questions or whatever feel free to appropriately PM me and I'll get to it when I can and answer at the best of my ability. Later.
 
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Skarmand said:
Unless you're here for Skullgirls, then it works out perfectly imo
Here's where I keep getting a massive disconnect with this train of logic. I've only been to a couple of tournaments for fighting games and do you know what I discussed with a few of the players I met up there between matches?
Stuff not necessarily related to fighting games. Yea everyone is going to talk about previous matches, character mechanics, brag about their skills and whatnot. But people also talked about stuff like the venue we're at (one was an anime convention so there were personal reccomendation of series to watch/read). Stuff like where people are from, what's there to do in their respective point of origin. Hell, some people had been frequenting the same venue for years and were simply catching up with other players they'd met at previous events. You can have a fighting game centric area and still have discussion not directly related to the game(s) in question without detracting from the main topic.

Honest question. Why can't I come here for Skullgirls and want to talk about horror games in a separate thread?
 
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Is the forum going to die out/be hurt/lose substantial traffic from the removal of Off-Topic?
No, absolutely not. I think the site will survive just fine if people aren't allowed to talk about anime or the single player vidya games.

But at the same time, there's not really a reason to get rid of Off-Topic, I can't see the forums as a whole being positively effected by the change either, if there is going to be any change it feels like it's going to be a minuscule negative one, people aren't going to talk about SG more now that they can't talk about Kill la Kill or whatever. It's just that there's no reason to do something like that and it's an odd choice.

Also the banning of speculative gameplay still is and forever always will be stupid.
 
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If forum activity is irrelevant, then how did people being offended by "Skullgirls culture" and the Off Topic-ness of Skullheart end up factoring into the change? If whoever snuck the changes by wanted these people to feel included in the Skullgirls community, then they've pretty obviously failed on that front, as there hasn't been a big surge of newbies in any of the gameplay sections.
 
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Skarmand said:
So Skullgirls the site for Skullgirls is unwelcoming for casual players

Skarmand said:
Despite having a giant helpful beginner section

Alright, so I haven't been contributing much to this topic, but I'm going to step in here to clear something up (At least from my perspective). There is a difference between a casual player and a beginner.
A beginner, as you might imagine, is someone who is new to the game. They have recently bought it, or are finally getting around to playing it, whatever. They are interested in getting better at the game, and while they may not post often in gameplay sections, they will still lurk and try to pick up as much information as possible. As much as I am frustrated by this decision by the staff, I will never argue that Skullheart is not a good place for beginner resources.
A casual player is someone who, at least for the moment, has no interest in getting better at the game. They may still enjoy the art, the plot, the music, they still may watch high-level matches, but they themselves feel no need to get better. They may occasionally peak over to gameplay threads, but never for long, and their posting will be directed elsewhere. These are the people being affected by OT's removal, as they have lost a place for them to direct themselves towards. As such, it becomes less likely that they will continue to come to this forum.
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So, a lot of people right now are arguing about how much this will affect the site going forward, and I don't think that it will be much. Site traffic isn't going to come to a standstill for this (Though I will be shocked if it doesn't at least diminish a little bit), and the fact that I see a large amount of people posting here still posting on different threads means that currently there is some reason for people to stay. Right now, though, I am far more interested in why the change was made in the first place, as both in theory and so far in practice, there doesn't seem to be much positive going on. Is what happened disastrous? No, but at the same time there isn't much to show from this clear power-play. If I could ask, what was the profit that was/is supposed to be made by this event? What was the proposed endgame of it all?
 
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Number 13 said:
As someone who looks at site traffic daily~

Truthfully: It did diminish a bit; but hardly 'dead' as what has been thrown around here lately./QUOTE]
As someone who can accurately chart things, it was more than 'slightly diminished'. I'm not going to go into too much detail, but we went from a steady average of 450 posts/day to barely 200 (you could argue that this is expected, but it's still a lot), and the number of active users is slowly but steadily declining (down just over 10% from when this started).
 
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TheMightyBox said:
Also the banning of speculative gameplay still is and forever always will be stupid.

They WHAT?!? Where do I post my taunt ideas now that I came up with some?
 
Yes I was only mainly referring to pure site traffic [10%~ decrease sounds about right, it was noticeable no doubt, but not the opposite extreme comparison either that was being prophesied here] since that is all I can accurately judge on, not the actual overall daily postage average which again would naturally decrease with the action of a near removal of an entire popular discussion hub that was once a sizable bulk of activity on this forum. Also let us not forget SG General [ which was also a big postage contributor]was also removed, but of course that is forgotten since OT was nearly removed was the bigger news.

Edit: Should also add that daily postage average isn't a complete representation of the health of a site. The 'quality' of the posts kind of matter as well. I remember when @Skullgirlsfanboy was active, he posted for the sake of posting to the point that the member became a general annoyance to overall forum. No doubt he nicely contributed to the daily postage average total.

Note this above paragraph statement is not about OT specifically, but more from a philosophical angle.
 
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MMan7172 said:
A casual player is someone who, at least for the moment, has no interest in getting better at the game. They may still enjoy the art, the plot, the music, they still may watch high-level matches, but they themselves feel no need to get better. They may occasionally peak over to gameplay threads, but never for long, and their posting will be directed elsewhere. These are the people being affected by OT's The Gallery's removal [if this happened, but it didn't], as they have lost a place for them to direct themselves towards. As such, it becomes less likely that they will continue to come to this forum.

Why does everyone like to ignore Art/Lore? Like, I haven't seen a single person acknowledge The Gallery as a place for casual SG fans/players to go to do non-gameplay stuff about Skullgirls and instead puts Off-Topic on this pedestal of godly inclusiveness whose only relation to Skullgirls is the fact that it exists on the forum. Off-Topic has nothing to do with Skullgirls, so if you're a casual Skullgirls player or Skullgirls fan and are into the lore/art and whatever else, that forum still exists for you to go and talk about anything non-gameplay.

You don't need Off-Topic to talk about "non-serious" Skullgirls.
 
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I hope I don't sound like harassing but what is "Art and other media" for exactly? Can I make a thread about, let's say, a film or else in there?
 
Number 13 said:
Is it SG related?
Let's say it's not. I will have to guess the answer is "it would get locked/deleted".
 
ArgonBern said:
Let's say it's not. I will have to guess the answer is "it would get locked/deleted".
Yeah.
Sorta gotta post Fighting games or Skullgirls on Skullheart now.
 
Skarmand said:
Yeah.
Sorta gotta post Fighting games or Skullgirls on Skullheart now.
I don't get it, I'm sure other fighting games' forums have an OT not too different from what we had.
I wasn't someone who went a lot in OT but this change really seems stupid. No offense.
 
worldjem said:
Why does everyone like to ignore Art/Lore? Like, I haven't seen a single person acknowledge The Gallery as a place for casual SG fans/players to go to do non-gameplay stuff about Skullgirls and instead puts Off-Topic on this pedestal of godly inclusiveness whose only relation to Skullgirls is the fact that it exists on the forum. Off-Topic has nothing to do with Skullgirls, so if you're a casual Skullgirls player or Skullgirls fan and are into the lore/art and whatever else, that forum still exists for you to go and talk about anything non-gameplay.

You don't need Off-Topic to talk about "non-serious" Skullgirls.
Not many people care about discussing lore outside of headcanons.
 
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