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Holy crap, have you guys been looking at the photos posted today (OF ALL DAYS). These are from Capcom's SF Encyclopedia thing It's showing some updated designs for the old playable and NPCs in Street Fighter
I thought that's who everyone assumed Q was, it makes the most sense.
Hah, I always felt that was a bad move. I had an earlier rant about it ages ago in this thread, but I felt it kinda doesn't make sense or work well.
-There's no real hint that he's got a connection to any of the fighters in 3. Several characters have dialogue in the Japanese Arcade version that has nifty stuff, but the only person who makes any real acknowledgement of Q is Oro, and he's making a joke about him looking like Robo Detective K
-It removes another death from Street Fighter (so far it looks like no one is actually dead anymore...
even friggin' Goutetsu might be alive if I'm reading something correctly
) in recent years they've been dancing around at the idea that Dorai may be alive, but I don't think it works.
-It changes Chun Li, not for the better, storywise. Sagat is the character that has the most development in SF, but Chun was getting there too. She started on the path of vengeance then to justice, but by SF3 she had found peace and left behind all the business with Shadaloo after "her legendary legs brought down THAT organization" as Urien said. She took care of a girl (who we now know of as Li-Fen) and taught others Kung Fu. In SF4, it's a move back in time, so it's understandable that she's hunting ol' Shadaloo again when she learns it's not totally dead (most people in SF4 don't know Bison's alive, actually, and I can't remember if she's one of the few who does learn he is alive.), but she's doing it for justice and her father and not letting that define her. In her SSF4/Ultra4 ending, she said, at first she thought all the things she'd accomplished were due to her father, and she realizes, yes, in part it was and due to him, but for her as well. She says she feels that she can be so much more and decides to stay being a cop. She will bring about justice and fight evil, but she's not doing all this just for her father. She starts doing this for people like Li-Fen and those kids. She gets a sense of closure, but also forges forward, being her own person, not defined by her father's death. Bringing him back would make her start the hunt to find out what happened to him again, undo what's done, etc. I don't want to see that for her. SF is finally taking chances with it's character evolution (designs and lore) and I don't want them to repeat this.
-It doesn't make sense for the timeline. It's always been stated that Shadaloo killed her dad. At first Bison said he killed her dad in Alpha2, but it's been retconned that Vega seems to have "killed him"/ been the last to see him alive in SF5. She's clashed with Shadaloo A LOT. Bison literally feeds on negativity and just gets off on torturing people. Why wouldn't he use her father as a trump card? Mocking her with the ambiguity of his fate until finally showing he changed him? I know the games releases don't match the timeline, but still, things done in SF post SF3 haven't made the effort to do so and SF 4 started several plot elements that are now appearing in SF5.
-Bison doesn't care about loyalty, but strength...he does, however NOT like people messing with his toys or his toys gaining sentience (see the dolls and how he crushed Seth once he started playing things outside his allotted freedom). Q is shown to be incredibly powerful and has been noticed to several bystanders, the CIA is fully aware of his existence, but is scrambling to find out WHAT he is. If he was a Shadaloo product that gained freedom, he would not let it escape or STAY free and be visible enough to have bystanders describe him well enough that Richard Bergman (PR Chief of the CIA) has to put out statements about not being able to confirm or deny his existence.
-It robs Q of being his own character and having his own direction. He's the wildcard figure introduced in 3rd strike. No connections to anyone, could pop in and out of the series while peppering clues to his identity. Could be connected to the new (at the time) players of the Illuminati or even bring in a whole new angle to the series. Connecting him to Shadaloo changes things a bit, but still gives him room to grow. Making him Chun Li's dad reduces his potential drastically;
-Reduced potential. We're not just going to learn he's her dad and have them never meet or quickly and neatly resolve this. If they meet and he's mind controlled, it'll be a "I know you're in there!" fight, which I don't like seeing overused. Or she'll reconnect with him and he'll probably meet a tragic end while saving her from whatever created him. Or he's somehow bad and she has to track him down and stop him through several games. Overall, I can't see her learning who he is and not having a negative impact result appear for both characters.
Pretty sure it's impossible to japanese wrestler acting in japan with a ring name like "Yamato Nadeshiko" to ever possibly be a heel.
Well, an interesting point is her heel name is: "Yasha Nadeshiko" Here's some info translated by bakfromon at SRK:
Height: 171cm
Weight: 72kg
Blood type: A
Birthday: July 13
Home Country: Japan
Favorite things: brutality
Dislikes: Rainbow Mika
The mysterious wrestler that appears when the tag team of R.Mika and Nadeshiko Yamato is disbanded. With a rough fighting spirit suited for a street brawl, she psyches up the crowd with her microphone performances. What on earth! She looks like Nadeshiko, but the mystery remains if they're the same person! Maybe she'll be added next time!!!
compare to her face persona translation by the ever-awesome bakfromon at SRK:
Name: Yamato Nadeshiko
Height: 171cm
Weight: 72kg
Blood type: A
Birthday: July 13
Home Country: Japan
Favorite things: sweets Shiba Inu
Dislikes: ball (not good)
The hot-blooded tag team partner of Rainbow Mika. She is a very honest girl who is the only daughter of a family who owns a long established Japanese hotel. Her hobbies include; Tea ceremony, arranging flowers, and archery. Her special move is the Hardened Deforming Arch. As a matter of fact, we learn of the addition of a mysterious painted wrestler......
With that issue's fun background story, they throw around a few theories:
-A lone vigilante, heroically fighting for the innocent and powerless
-Chun Li's dad altered by Shadaloo who is an inhuman puppet
-A robot made by the US government to fight monsters and threats they cannot normally handle (with or without a chest cannon)
-An army of robots assembled by the US Govt each designated a target and waging secret wars against said targets
They never settle on one particular one theory and the senior officers (Ono and Crislip) don't believe Q exists, just that the rookie agent named Landon is chasing the "loch ness monster in a trench coat" instead of, Quenten Mozolli (Nickname "Q", the mob boss he was assigned to research. One of the issues is that in official SF3 materials they know Q exists and are frustrated they can't find more. All of his move names are based on observations made by bystanders and researcher data in his fights and in his ending, they finally get enough footage that they digitize a concept of his face..err..mask. Bergman tells David and Juliana (the agents based on the heroes of X-Files) to get out the footage to all their branches, even ranks it a security level 4. What's interesting is that there seem to be so many sightings of Q, that Bergman frequently has to issue statements that they cannot confirm or deny he exists.
Also one last point, Udon makes a point that the comics aren't canon to the games as they're currently operating. (That even lead to a small problem where they killed off Gouken before SF4 was in development and recently had to explain how he's alive in the comics. In the games, he used Mu, apparently like in Fist of the North Star, to heal himself and came back, but that's a whole other story).
Sorry for the mega post...I'm a huge nerd and have a thing for lore and aesthetics hah.
I don't care what dumb retcon they have to invent, please come up with some way to give me a resurrected Gou Hibiki.
He was a fun guy, telling dad/uncle jokes all the time! Totally dig that! New info translated from bakfromon:
Name: Go Hibiki
Height: 180 cm
Weight: 88 kg
Blood type: O
Birthday: November 22
Home Country: Japan (later moved to Hong Kong)
Favorite things: drink, naps
Dislikes: sharp objects
He uses a Karate based art known as "Kenkasappō Burai-Ken" (Law of the Killing Quarrel: Outlaw Fist), his special move being the Soten Buraiashi (Ascending Outlaw Kick), used continuous intense knee blows to the face. He likes to tell jokes like your uncle. He was the influential person to gouge the eye of Sagat the Muay Thai champion, but in the end died in a bout of mortal combat. His son is Dan Hibiki of the Saikyo-ryu, and with that inspiration, the son wishes to build on the foundation of what he learned from his father.
Also, with all this Q talk, I forgot to post this, sorry to derail the thread.
A bunch of us at SRK are trying to unify the translated canon materials to make a lore series. As a test, I crafted a proof of concept video starring everyone's favourite Trench Coat disciple since there's not a lot on him at the moment. I started it last week, but in absolute irony and hilarity, I began rendering the rough draft video last night (there were 4 minutes left) when I saw the Dorai pic on SRK and...well made my above posts. Hah.
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