Oooh now that's interesting. International Mother's Day is the second Sunday of May, so that's what the "Sunday school" sign is referencing. Cellsai you sly dog.
It's from Lab Zero's Reddit AMA from 2015, after all the "Season 0" DLC characters had been released. But yeah, being related to Mother's face would make sense; Double, Lamia and the Mother seem to be closely tied.
I wonder what he meant by "forgotten", though. Double forgot what she used to look like? When there are statues and stained glass of a nearly identical woman all over the cathedral?
Perhaps it means that Double does not know/remember her true origin, and something happened or was done to her to make her the way she is right now. I wonder how much she knows about the time before she was Double, and how much of the truth the Trinity are telling her.
There is no rule that the Skull Heart respawns every 7 years, just that it has been observed that Skullgirls appear approximately every 7 years. It seems more likely that Double knew Nancy's wish was going to take around 4 years to "incubate", so to speak, so she offered it to her early in order to ensure the Skullgirl cycle stay on schedule.
Makes a lot of sense.
We need to know more about Nancy's deal with the Skull Heart. It was never outright depicted. No information about how, when and where it happened.
I don't know. I always saw the ending of Eliza's story as a bit of a weird dubiously-canon sequel hook that was meant more to say, "Don't worry, guys, Marie will stop Eliza from this really bleak ending", than it being definitive proof of anything the Skull Heart could do.
I think it's completely plausible that the Franz and the ASG Labs would have snagged the Heart, but Parasoul's SGM story seems to imply (at least to me) that Nancy was coerced into wishing on the Skull Heart by Double under the impression that Double or the Goddesses would intervene with the war. So my assumption would be that Double had reacquired the Heart at some point and passed it along to Nancy (which is what she would have had to do with or without it being destroyed along with Selene).
I can see what you mean but unlike the obviously joke stories such as Robo's, Eliza's is a pretty serious story and I don't see why they would have made hers a valid what-if scenario only to add an "impossible" ending. Seems more straightforward to me if the whole story is lore accurate.
Some of the Labs' higher-ups (like Brain Drain) would definitely want to get the Skull Heart. At least, it feels like that, based on Robo-Fortune's story and some deleted endings.
We need some official information on this.
I thought it was a sort of an emergency respawn, because there wasn't any other candidate available. The Skull Heart usually has a lot of "human material", and Double seems to have a hand in choosing the best possible candidate. But this time the situation was completely different, and they had to use what they had. Marie wasn't even the "suitable" one, but there were no other opportunities in sight.
Plus, and I forgot earlier since it's been awhile, Marie confronting Eliza was a post-credits stinger.
Before Eliza met Double in her story, she probably didn't even know that Neferu/Sekhmet was still alive. Double seeing Eliza was the only time she lost her cool and caused the Lamia personality to emerge. It certainly wasn't a normal situation for Double.
In Painwheel's story, Brain Drain orders her to retrieve the Skull Heart and return it to Lab 0, so yeah it has always been their goal and not something created for Robo's story.
I don't think it being post-credit makes it any less "literal" than the rest of the story. Squigly, Annie and Umbrella's stories all have post-credit segments and far as we know they can be taken literally.
That's a very interesting question.
Exactly what we need. This, Dahlia's backstory, the lore about the Labs and Irvin. Lots of Irvin.
Lol I like it, especially the free slot. Poor Marie.
I imagine him using stereotypical old-timey Mafia concealed weapons, like a revolver, a stiletto, a garrote, a straight razor; or some combinations of those. His style would probably be heavily offensive without caring much about defending against damages since he has the Life Gem to heal all his wounds or preventing damage in the first place.
I'm hoping we get to see some more Beatrix. Not that big of a fan of her character but she seems to be the one who looks up to Dahlia the most and I think there would be some interesting interactions between them.
There was definitely some other reason, because they were kidnapping the other daughters of the River King too.
It doesn't look that he recognized her during that encounter. Seems that he was just being himself, trying to harass a young girl just because he wanted to.
Okay, that is a pretty scary implication.
Yeah, in Ms. Fortune story Lawrence literally said "There she is! That fishfolk dame we were sent to find!"
I concur with Holy Goose that in that scene Riccardo was just hitting on what he thought was a random girl drinking by herself. As it was confirmed in the past, Filia looks a lot different now than she used to (heavier, different hairstyle), so Riccardo who wasn't close to her wouldn't have recognised her.
I think they would have figured that she is alive if they didn't find her body.
That's possible yeah. Riccardo could be trying to lure in random girls for trafficking purposes, although I'm not sure if he's very good at his job.
Like any good villain, Lorenzo believes he's doing the right thing. As we have gathered from SGM stories and what have been confirmed outside the game, his family is descended from the original inheritors of the land. Lorenzo sees himself as the rightful ruler of Meridian, and he sees the Meridian way of life in a constant struggle against the Renoir occupiers who want to erase their culture and history. But since the laws are drawn up by the Canopy government, he needs to operate outside the law in order to do it.
I think it's just that it's easiest to convince women who are in the most difficult positions to wish on the Skull Heart, and there is nowhere else in the world with as much pain and strive as in No Man's Land.
I don't believe she's ever been killed, in canon or any of the what-if stories. Her true body is the entirety of Gehenna and what we fight is almost like a leaf on a big tree. Even if you crush one leaf the tree is still living and can grow new ones.
Squigly's story kind of sums it up.
Like organising the slave trade.
Makes a lot of sense, considering that she sort of helped to create it.
Actually, how big Gehenna seems to be? And how did it appear in the first place?
I think that in the older stories, all the characters and factions, not just the Medici, were portrayed in a much more straightforward way. I think the plan was always to give the players initial impressions and then gradually challenge your assumptions as a mechanism to keep the story interesting. Probably the most clear example was Val being portrayed like a straight up villain, and only after going through the stories and unlocking hers that you get to see her more complex motivations. The Medici and Lorenzo just get a more delayed treatment.
They were "tricked" by Double (well, not even technically tricked since Double told them Selene has the Skull Heart, and she did have the Skull Heart), but the moral blame clearly lies with him. If I were told that someone stole my car or something, and my response is to kill them and their entire family, I'd definitely be the bad guy. Maybe he thinks the ends justifies the means, but that's exactly how villains think.
Yeah Eliza is hardly a saint, but far as the Medici know, she's just a Parasite user who tricks people into giving her blood that she needs to survive. Blackmailing her is still an evil action with evil intention, and just because Eliza is evil, it does not absolve them of moral responsibility.
If someone keeps an assassin on payroll with the intention of having that assassin assassinate people, then they are definitely responsible when that assassin does their job.
The thing is, he lost the Life Gem very recently...
Considering the situation, he always had an upper hand on Squigly's family. Dahlia outright calls them Lorenzo's "pretty caged birds".
Yes, and they were trying to force her to make the dirty work for them. Not really a good thing to do.
To think about it, the only person that was tricked there is Selene (and her family, by extension).
Well, he didn't kill the Contiellos personally, too...
He is definitely an interesting case of an antagonist, and I would like to see more of him.
It sounds almost poetic...
Pretty big just based on the artwork alone. Things get confusing if you recall the old Canopy Kingdom map that has the Grand Cathedral on a cliff, which may raise some questions if everything is still laid out the same with Gehenna being immediately under the cathedral's catacombs.
Yeah, I also lean towards Gehenna not being fixed to a single space, or at least it's not there all the time. In Annie's story, after defeating Marie, she just walked down the Cathedral's catacombs to fight Double in Gehenna, which raises the question why she didn't just go there previously rather than waiting for the Skullgirl to appear. My best explanation for it is that Gehenna is not accessible or locatable until a Skullgirl event happens.
Yeah, probably means something story-wise.
