I dunno, I believe there may still be some undiscovered tech or strategy. Theree's just so manny different combinations/possibilities that it's hard to imagine there aren't.Spidey has okay jump ins and cross ups so maybe Dr. Doom chipping people while he dances on their heads?
That being said, I only recommend playing low tiers against other low tiers or in a mixed tier ratio kind of ruleset. It can be fun to explore the worse side of the tier list, and the game has such great fundamentals that's still a fantastic time, but don't expect to go low tier hero in this game against people who know how to play.
There's 15 years of research put into it, though. We even know that Kobun-G is almost a viable character with Doom rocks.
I was speaking in general. The guy made it sound like all possible tech was found. I just don't think 15 years of decreasing research with a subset of characters is enough to find all of it. Most of it, sure. Perhaps even a vast majority of the useful tech, but just not all of it. I think there could be a few more viable teams. Tis all.There's 15 years of research put into it, though. We even know that Kobun-G is almost a viable character with Doom rocks.
At this point it's pretty set that low tiers are garbage either because of too-low health, not good enough mobility, a lack of being able to open people up, or poor damage, with mobility being at the top of the list. The way you win with low tiers is by having gimmicks other players don't know.
Spidey has all of those problems.
It's more that all USEFUL tech is found. It's certainly not true that only the top tiers have been explored.I was speaking in general. The guy made it sound like all possible tech was found. I just don't think 15 years of decreasing research with a subset of characters is enough to find all of it. Most of it, sure. Perhaps even a vast majority of the useful tech, but just not all of it. I think there could be a few more viable teams. Tis all.
Fair enough, though by no mean did mean to imply that only the top tiers were explored. I do believe that as they were found to be top tier that other characters were explored considerably less.It's more that all USEFUL tech is found. It's certainly not true that only the top tiers have been explored.
Sure, if some glitch exists in a new version that makes Dan able to kill you in one touch from anywhere then that's a thing, but outside that type of esoteric junk it's all done.
There is certainly tech that's under-used, like with Doom vs flying Sentinel if you do air super and he attempts to fly above it you can DHC to your next character and the camera will drag Sentinel down into the beams during the superflash without him being able to block, but in most cases, like I said, lack of options compared to the god-tier is what keeps most characters from mattering. All of the god-tier characters except Cable can do overhead/low/left/right mixups, all of them can do 100% damage, and they either have mobility options that let them run circles around everyone else or in Cable's case anti-mobility options that mean a lot of characters just can't do anything.
I mean, you can hope for whatever you want, but as someone who has played the game since release, the character imbalance is gigantic.
That isn't to say you can't WIN with non god-tier teams, but you have to significantly outplay your opponent in order to do so. In which case, if you played a better team, you'd do even better.
That's fair enough. And to answer you question, yes. I do think I have a chance, not a big one, but it's there and I'm choosing to take it. I enjoy the game and the characters enough to try. I appreciate your well wishes :)Not everything has been found, but we're I to wager a guess I'd say that, based on the current meta/where the game is at, around 98% has been found at least. And that's across literally millions of hours and tons of combo videos and tournament play across 15 years. People were going very hard on mvc2 because it was the only new thing out for a long time.
But those aren't really the things to think of... What you REALLY want to think about is do you really have a chance to find something that makes a low tier not a low tier when so many other people have tried for so long? Say there are a few teams and/ or assist strategies that haven't been found that are say high mid or lower high tier... Do you REALLY think you have any chance in hell of finding them? There's minions of combinations out there and every one that lends itself to any kind of theory fighter approach has already been tried extensively. The only thing left to be discovered is completely oddball out of left field stuff.. And even most of THAT has been discovered.
Now, its completely possible to make a mid tier team that can beat high tier teams if you have good gimmicks, are a great player and play against sub par players... But other than that... Your chances of winning the lotto are probably higher than making some secret unknown top tier marvel 2 team.
The only further way to make progress with regards to unknown teams is to change the meta of the game. At that point, were it to happen, things would be reevaluated and new things found when applied to the new meta.
But first you have to beat the current meta... Not an easy task at all and would basically require you to find something so strong as to stand the top tier on their heads or bring about a new top tier... That's what you are basically trying to do by trying to find new top tier stuff.
Good luck..
YOULL NEED IT! (Smash TV reference, haha)
Keep in mind that if you aren't playing one of like...300-400 people worldwide at this point, you can pretty much pick whoever you want.
.....point taken. Though I suppose it doesn't help that most of the people I've played with (like three people lol) I've played in person and in my first matches I was essentially traumatized by blackheart shananigans...
I mean...I have the game and played it. I enjoy it. But it's not just the playstyle, it's the variatioin of that style as well as character themselves. I don;t avoid top tier for the sake of avoiding them, I legit happen to just not like playing as them. Even if it's generally a playstyle I would like, the variations within most of the top characters aren't to my taste and just dont feel right. Out of the top characters/assist I only like Storm as a point and Psy or Sent as an assist. But two characters doesnt make a team in mvc2, so I always end up with a mixed/low tier team.As I said before, low tier only matches or mixed tier ratios (ie both players agree to pick 1 top tier and 2 lower tiers) are a thing, and very fun. Marvel Vs Capcom 2 is an amazing game at high tier, high level play, but it's also a really great game with low tiers too.
High tier mvc2 > Low tier Mvc2 > every other fighting game
Also beware of the "I don't like the top tier cast" mentality. The 8+ viable characters have enough variety and playstyles that no matter what kind of playstyle you like, you should be able to find something that corresponds to your style. The top tiers are also very deep and have lots of options, and combined with teams, you have a vast number of options on how you play any one character.
Tl:Dr: Marvel 2's creation was guided by the hand of God.
The games are so unrelated that this comment is meaningless, though...if you can land one hit 3x in MvC3 you can win. As evidenced by the entirety of the finals.
This is such a scrubby mentality. MVC2 has what is known as balance of playstyles, not balance of characters, where different playstyles are balanced and you have characters that can all play different styles, where you have heavy rushdown with Magneto, heavy zoning with Cable and so on and so forth. Yes the top tier negate just a bunch of characters and that's kinda wack, but if you're looking to play competitively then you have to realise that some characters are better than others, and if you're playing to win you have to take those differences into account.
The PS3 version? Or just one that you can play on your PS3? Because if it's the former, they don't sell that anymore. You'll have to either gameshare with someone, or buy a code off of ebay (an unopened box for MVC2 PS3 is $100+). If you have a backwards compatible PS3, you can play the PS2 version, which is only $25-35, or you could CFW your PS3 and play either of them for free.
What assists are you using?
Well the thing is I like playing Spiral and Sentinel but I don't enjoy Cable and most Spiral teams are built around making Cable amazing. The big question is should I run Cyclops 2nd and DHC into Sentinel or run Cyclops 3rd and find ways to set up HSF loops?