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Eliza A Song of Blood and Beauty - Eliza Lore & Speculation

Denizen said:
Here's my prediction for why Cerebella is in the limo with Eliza. She's just pissed off after finding out that Eliza is plotting to wreck the Medicis and she's confronting her about it. It's a little drama to add to the story and it gives a reason for a fight. Cerebella is far from being pure of heart, if such a thing even exists, and I don't think there's anything special about her or her blood that would suggest that Eliza's story would revolve around her.

I think it makes more sense that Eliza would go after Marie and instead of using the Heart she would simply drink her Skullgirl blood and gain a huge power boost without the adverse effects of making a wish.
Then Eliza would be strong enough to defeat the Medicis and eventually take over the city like the dominating empress that she is. Why stay undercover when you can take over the world? All she needs is the power to do it.
Well we know Bella's pure of heart because we're outright told as such.
I think Eliza's story mode takes place either right after or a little bit after Marie's death, considering Bella's locations during the time.
I don't think Eliza's game is world domination, nor do I think she's dumb enough to think that the Skullgirl's powers are THAT strong.
If they were, Annie wouldn't have bopped most of them, if they were, there wouldn't have been as many Skullgirls as there are.

There are currently three games going on in the SG universe.

The Humane and political.
The Long Jojo-Esque game between the Parasites and their goals.
The game on the cosmic scale being played by the Trinity, Annie and Issac.

I personally don't think Eliza has any want to be in the third, and barely any to be in the first.

Doesn't Eliza predate the Skullheart as far as we know? She probably sees it as beneath her power.
 
iLoli said:
Well we know Bella's pure of heart because we're outright told as such.
No she's not actually, and I know exactly what part of Cerebella's story mode you're thinking about.
Alex Ahad pointed out on two occasions that one single line by Marie wasn't meant to be taken literally.
Besides you know what Cerebella does for a living right? In case you don't know, she's a leg breaker for the Mafia.

As for when Eliza's story mode takes place there is absolutely no reason for her to break the pattern that every single character so far has followed. She is going to fight Marie in her story mode, that is a fact. Therefore there is no way that Eliza's story mode takes place after Marie's death.

It's not about how strong the Skullgirl herself is, it's about what kind of creative stuff Eliza could do with her blood.
I for one think it would be very interesting if Eliza becomes more powerful by drinking unique blood, and that Skullgirl blood is a recent brand that she hasn't tried yet.
 
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Denizen said:
No she's not actually, and I know exactly what part of Cerebella's story mode you're thinking about.
Alex Ahad pointed out on two occasions that one single line by Marie wasn't meant to be taken literally.
Besides you know what Cerebella does for a living right? In case you don't know, she's a leg breaker for the Mafia.

It's not about how strong the Skullgirl herself is, it's about what kind of creative stuff Eliza could do with her blood.
I for one think it would be very interesting if Eliza becomes more powerful by drinking unique blood, and that Skullgirl blood is a recent brand that she hasn't tried yet.

Butttt, you are forgetting something. Cerebella doesn't know that the Medicis are the bad guys right? She sees them as the public sees them. A generous charity. Vitale raised her as an orphan and manipulates her to do the mafia's dirty work under the guise of stopping "the bad guys". Of course she believes him because she thinks of him as a father and why would her dear daddy lie to her?

I don't know if its been stated that Eliza gets powered up for drinking unique blood but it'd be interesting. But I don't think she'd need the Skullgirl blood.
 
Denizen said:
As for when Eliza's story mode takes place there is absolutely no reason for her to break the pattern that every single character so far has followed. She is going to fight Marie in her story mode, that is a fact. Therefore there is no way that Eliza's story mode takes place after Marie's death.
Hoy, slow down there, son. Don't be throwing around the "that is a fact" line when it is in fact not a fact yet. It is highly likely that she will fight Marie (I would be shocked if she does not), but no one has specifically said that is the case. Do recall that Eliza was planned to be the villain of Skullgirls 2 - set after the Marie arc was dealt with, so he's completely justified in his hypothesis.
 
I guess you do have a point Cellsai, I was too quick to say that, sorry. It's still a damn weak hypothesis.
yellowflash26 said:
Butttt, you are forgetting something. Cerebella doesn't know that the Medicis are the bad guys right? She sees them as the public sees them. A generous charity.
No Cerebella is completely aware that she's working for a criminal organization, she just turns the other cheek towards the more heinous crimes they commit, 'cause you know family and all that.
This is drifting towards Cerebella, let's stay away from that.
 
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So, remember that alternate Eliza stage that leaked at the SG panel?
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Now, Marie is after the Medici. Eliza might or might not have a reason to go after Marie, but Marie sure has a reason to go after Eliza.

Perhaps at some point in her story, Eliza will be doing whatever in her bathhouse when Marie breaks in to dispose of her. Next moment, Eliza shows Marie doesn't have monopoly on altering stages and turns the bathhouse into a blood-dripping slaughterhouse to intimidate the skullgirl. Climatic conclusion, first Marie battle in a non-Final Atrium stage. Hype? Hype.
 
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Denizen said:
No she's not actually, and I know exactly what part of Cerebella's story mode you're thinking about.
Alex Ahad pointed out on two occasions that one single line by Marie wasn't meant to be taken literally.
Besides you know what Cerebella does for a living right? In case you don't know, she's a leg breaker for the Mafia.

As for when Eliza's story mode takes place there is absolutely no reason for her to break the pattern that every single character so far has followed. She is going to fight Marie in her story mode, that is a fact. Therefore there is no way that Eliza's story mode takes place after Marie's death.

It's not about how strong the Skullgirl herself is, it's about what kind of creative stuff Eliza could do with her blood.
I for one think it would be very interesting if Eliza becomes more powerful by drinking unique blood, and that Skullgirl blood is a recent brand that she hasn't tried yet.
So Bella's at Medici tower, little innsmouth, the river king casino, and Eliza's limo?

Eeehhh I don't think so.

Also fighting Marie doesn't mean that the events of SG1 hasn't already happened, it just means that she fights Marie.

I think it's fair to speculate Eliza as the NEW problem everyone has to deal with after Marie's death, considering her status in the actual story of SG.

I don't think it's a bad idea to speculate about her taking the Skullgirl's blood, but if that was the case, why not go at PW or Lab Zero, who HAS the SG blood? Why even risk an encounter with Marie herself, why USE Cerebella when we know she loves to use any excuse to get her own physical hands dirty?

Considering Samson's and Leviathan's lines, I think there is a different end game for the parasite subplot, and I think Eliza's' the closest to it.

I'm more or less speculating this because we've only seen Eliza paired with Bella so far, in that one story mode panel they decided to show, and what maybe and alternate stage, and considering Eliza's on the stage one story side, it's her story. Why is Bella alone? Why wouldn't the Filia/Squigly duo be there instead?

Then again it is all speculation.
 
about Cerebella, Ahad has stated that she is the most pure character of the cast, while yes she is aware that she works for the Mafia she has only done acts of intimidation and does not acknowledge the darker side of the mafia due to the gratitude she feels for Vitale. this is why when she kills Ms. Fortune in her story arc she feels immense guilt a sense that no other character faces except for Filia towards Painwheel.
Back to Eliza the Skullgirl will be around during it because of Squigly, since it is heavily implied through Leviathan tagging in with Eliza that there is some bad blood between the two, and Squigly should be alongside Filia as Samson and Eliza have beef also, shown in concept art
 
Eliza killed samson's old owner dahlia i believe, so eliza/filia/squigly from the looks of things have a very convoluted history together
 
iLoli said:
I'm more or less speculating this because we've only seen Eliza paired with Bella so far, in that one story mode panel they decided to show, and what maybe and alternate stage, and considering Eliza's on the stage one story side, it's her story. Why is Bella alone? Why wouldn't the Filia/Squigly duo be there instead?

I'm fairly certain the alternate stage leak didn't take place during story mode. Mike hit "Play Again" as he was showing off Eliza. You'll notice that Bella is also not in her canon story mode palette and generally everyone is in their #1 palette during story mode (unless fighting Double as your character). You probably shouldn't read into which characters are/are not present in that level just from that accidental leak.

Not sure if anyone noticed the stage names before the new stage leaked:
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Bathhouse_Sekh may be the blood version that was leaked. I'm intrigued by "Gehenna". As far as I know it's a concept similar to purgatory in Judaism where a person reflects on their shortcomings/failures in life after their death.
 
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Simon said:
Not sure if anyone noticed the stage names before the new stage leaked:
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Bathhouse_Sekh may be the blood version that was leaked. I'm intrigued by "Gehenna". As far as I know it's a concept similar to purgatory in Judaism where a person reflects on their shortcomings/failures in life after their death.
Ooh, that's a nice spot. Sharp eyes.
 
Simon said:
I'm fairly certain the alternate stage leak didn't take place during story mode. Mike hit "Play Again" as he was showing off Eliza. You'll notice that Bella is also not in her canon story mode palette and generally everyone is in their #1 palette during story mode (unless fighting Double as your character). You probably shouldn't read into which characters are/are not present in that level just from that accidental leak.

Not sure if anyone noticed the stage names before the new stage leaked:
uFCmWCB.jpg

Bathhouse_Sekh may be the blood version that was leaked. I'm intrigued by "Gehenna". As far as I know it's a concept similar to purgatory in Judaism where a person reflects on their shortcomings/failures in life after their death.
Flotilla noticed that too.
I wonder if this means Eliza has yet another stage?
 
I don't know enough about programming to confidently make this claim.
But could it be, like, a debug stage or something?
Just like a blank white stage for Mike to test out things by themselves not in a stage?
It would make the name make sense, I don't know why an Egyptian character would have a stage based on a Jewish concept.
 
TheMightyBox said:
I don't know enough about programming to confidently make this claim.
But could it be, like, a debug stage or something?
Just like a blank white stage for Mike to test out things by themselves not in a stage?
It would make the name make sense, I don't know why an Egyptian character would have a stage based on a Jewish concept.
Well given that Eliza is basically the final member of the trinity that is Leviathan, Samson and Sekhmet.
And those two are both based on Hebrew lore
WELL.
And let's not forget Egyptians traveled to Jerusalem if I remember right.
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DeathArcana said:
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this either could mean something story related as she works for the Mafia (technically) or it is referencing the IGG vote
WHERE DID YOU GET THIS HOLY TITS.
 
So it may somewhat follow Fortune's story?
I want to see Irvin again
 
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If it's a Stick custom design I highly doubt it has anything related to the story, then :/
No Irvin for me till RoboFortune bohohoo
 
chickenwithtie said:
If it's a Stick custom design I highly doubt it has anything related to the story, then :/
No Irvin for me till RoboFortune bohohoo
I mean considering Lab Zero gave them this art there is still a possibility
 
(I asked for Minette and Eliza on the stick.
Unless my request happened to overlap with the story I wouldn't read too much into the art.)
 
Cellsai said:
(I asked for Minette and Eliza on the stick.
Unless my request happened to overlap with the story I wouldn't read too much into the art.)
A++ stick tho.
 
oh wow I thought I actually stumbled on something :(
 
delilah long time ago wants to kill eliza. samson, however who is her current parasite know sekhmet and eliza won't be an easy fight. A fight thay they'll probably lose. Leviathan warns Samson about this but never interferes, allowing delilah and samson to try and take on eliza. delilah eventually gets killed but samson manages to go away From that day, Leviathan lose all respect for samson and end up hating him (or disliking him whatever happen between those two) Now in New meridian, present time, Eliza is well known, however samson and leviathan still remember her. in my opinion (and based on the limo image) Eliza will fool the naive cerebella, or will cause her hate, making cerebella fight eliza. filia with samson or squigly with leviathan will appear somewhere at the near end of elizas story and will help cerebella fight eliza.
being elizas story she'll win again and then
[ENDING MISSING]
[CREDITS SCENE]
 
TheMightyBox said:
I don't know enough about programming to confidently make this claim.
But could it be, like, a debug stage or something?
Just like a blank white stage for Mike to test out things by themselves not in a stage?
It would make the name make sense, I don't know why an Egyptian character would have a stage based on a Jewish concept.

That thought occurred to me too but why call it Gehenna and not something more... straightforward? Like "debug"? Since it seems to be a mythology/religious reference it makes me think it's more likely to be related to the story/lore aspect of Skullgirls.
 
if there was a secret debug stage im pretty sure that the guy who does Skullmod would have found it by now
 
Y'know, what if Eliza's Story Mode started with her beating up Marie, and the rest of the story was just her trolling people with the Skullheart? She'd show it on TV, take it to parties, put it in cute dresses for fashion shoots, and leave it on display at her house. That would definitely be an easy way to stir up some trouble!

Really though, like some of you have mentioned, I imagine she's not very interested in becoming a Skullgirl anyway. Seems like if she wanted the Skullheart's power, she'd have gotten it a long time ago. This is probably the aspect of her that's made me the most curious about her Story Mode, so I'm really looking forward to seeing what the team came up with.
 
Ninja said:
Nah, she's like Scrooge McDuck, she wants all the moneys and she'll travel to the goddamned moon if she has to. The SkullHeart is just something for her "collection", so is Bella for that fact. "No pathetic peasant shall rival my bust size, NO ONE!"

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Yes... I AM Rich~!

It would be pretty funny to have a joke ending with her actually finding treasure in the moon, with the last line of dialogue being: "There is something more important than treasure. That is...dream and friends".
 
Regarding story speculation, if I recall my own musings correctly, my bet is on Eliza using the Skullheart as a key to "Trinityville". They did describe her as the most ambitious character in the cast and, well, attaining godhood kinda fits the bill. I'd also wager she wants to do those things away from public eye; even if people are just livestock for her, I think she's very fond of her public image and the adoration it receives. Which is also why she didn't go mythological Sekhmet on the Medici. Even if they are practically "one person", and to get a little Freudian here, Eliza is the ego and Sekhmet is the id (A&H might be the super ego since Alex said they'd be her moral support).


Also, who do I hassle for that stick illustration in high resolution?
All the stuff from this Expo is giving me a serious case of the TOO MUCH WANT. T_T


Side note, I was going to head over to the gameplay side and ask if Neko-sama had a chance to appear but it's probably too late for that. Wanted to suggest a random appearance like the LNL Cat but on Eliza's 236LK > A&H pushing the chaise longue and the cat sitting there (so no need to animate). But I dunno, don't think Neko-sama got enough demand. (.__.)

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Simon said:
Not sure if anyone noticed the stage names before the new stage leaked:
uFCmWCB.jpg

Bathhouse_Sekh may be the blood version that was leaked. I'm intrigued by "Gehenna". As far as I know it's a concept similar to purgatory in Judaism where a person reflects on their shortcomings/failures in life after their death.
Why is "Bathhouse" the only one without a #?
It might not be important, I'm just curious.
Cellsai said:
Ever notice that pyramid in Rooftops and Assault?
Cellsai you have eagle eyes, that's amazing. I actually never took a good look at the background of that stage until now and I see that there are a lot of little secrets in there.
DeathArcana said:
about Cerebella, Ahad has stated that she is the most pure character of the cast
I'm sorry but I honestly cannot believe any of that until I get proof. The idea that a shameless circus performer/mafia thug could have a better heart than a sweet young opera singer who died before her time is hard to believe. Either you're mistaken or Alex Ahad has terrible judgement.
I'm assuming the former.
 
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Simon said:
Not sure if anyone noticed the stage names before the new stage leaked
What stage is "Falling_Wreckage"?
 
Zazz said:
What stage is "Falling_Wreckage"?

Marie's final boss stage.

Denizen said:
Why is "Bathhouse" the only one without a #?
It might not be important, I'm just curious.
The # signifies a comment in the code. Anything after the # will not be checked by the computer when the game actually runs. This way the game is automatically skipping over all stages except Bathhouse.

I don't really understand how the other stage appeared when it commented out though :/
 
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I wonder why there are 2 "Cathedrals" and 2 "Empty Cathedrals" in the list.
 
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