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Controller/Stick General Questions and Discussion

I've never owned a fightpad, but I've heard from people that use them that you have to be willing to replace them every so often.
 
That Street Fighter X Tekken controller looks just like my WWE Madcats Brawlpad (except mine's for a 360 instead of PS3)! Maybe they aren't exactly the same and I love this thing, but I personally find diagnol inputs to be quite annoy to perform with this type of this controller and it takes quite some muscle practice to get used to them, especially Shoryuken Motions and Air Dashes.

It's a very good alternative if you can't afford the expensive Arcade Sticks and if you're stuck with a lousy old 360 controller (PS3 ones aren't as bad and are still viable), but if you can afford a stick and price isn't much of an issue.. then I'd probably pass.
 
Anyone know a cheap, preferably solderless (not sure if possible) way to dual mod the Wii U fightstick for pc/ps3 compatibility? My mayflash adapter, as well as the pad I bought, does not work with it. It works with my TvC stick flawlessly and I read in several places that it worked, but it doesnt.

If solderless isnt possible could someone list the best and/or cheapest way to get the job done?
 
Covenant said:
Anyone know a cheap, preferably solderless (not sure if possible) way to dual mod the Wii U fightstick for pc/ps3 compatibility? My mayflash adapter, as well as the pad I bought, does not work with it. It works with my TvC stick flawlessly and I read in several places that it worked, but it doesnt.

If solderless isnt possible could someone list the best and/or cheapest way to get the job done?
My first thought would be a PS360+ PCB. Watch the video in the link and decide if you think you could handle it.
 
LordCeno said:
My first thought would be a PS360+ PCB. Watch the video in the link and decide if you think you could handle it.
It doesnt look too bad (I've used most of those techniques at work or fixing ps3 disc drives), but, unless I'm misunderstanding, I wouldnt be able to use it on my wii(u) anymore since that pcb doesnt support wii u and actually replaces the pcb already in my stick.

EDIT: I havent dont the math (it's been so long), but could I just buy extra wires and have the buttons linked to two separate pcbs without frying either?

[sigh]
What changed between the TvC stick and the Tekken TE drivers to make them incompatible with my adapter? -_-

EDIT 2: looks like I can since splitting wires works
 
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Yeah, having the buttons go to two separate PCBs is pretty common. It means that your stick will have two cables unless you want to do more in-depth modding, though.
 
Vadsamoht said:
Yeah, having the buttons go to two separate PCBs is pretty common. It means that your stick will have two cables unless you want to do more in-depth modding, though.
I'm perfectly fine with two cables. It has a compartment with plenty of room for the wires. Worst case-scenario I just have one cable out and one in at all times.
 
Inferno said:
I would use WER. And yes it is a little weird at first, but once you get the hang of it, it is really comfortable. It looks far away but the placement is really natural feeling for both thumbs. It is based off of a keyboard. Honestly if you want to try it out or whatnot and you are going to EVO you can always test out mine and see for yourself.

Got it, but where should I put the punch and kick buttons? And how should I position my hands and fingers? Maybe my little cousin can use it to get better at this game.
 
TYUI
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is the closest setup. The only difference is the distance to the jump button
 
Should I get a stick in the future? I currently have a 360 controller that I might replace because it tends to disconnect on me often, and I don't know if I should get a stick or just stick with controller to see if it's any better. A stick looks like it might be pretty confusing to get into, but I'm not too sure.
 
Skymin50 said:
Should I get a stick in the future? I currently have a 360 controller that I might replace because it tends to disconnect on me often, and I don't know if I should get a stick or just stick with controller to see if it's any better. A stick looks like it might be pretty confusing to get into, but I'm not too sure.

I personally don't own a fightstick, but I played with one at a local arcade yesterday for Street Fighter 3 and Street Fighter 4. As a home controller, these things are crazy expensive and can cost more than $100 for a simple controller, sometimes more than $200 (found one today at a store just like that). Anything less than $50 is garbage that breaks easily, and anything more than $200 is not suitable for beginners and may or may not be difficult to setup. I wish I could have a fightstick, but they're a little expensive for me and my parents to afford.

But 360 controllers are awful for Fighting games though and I would recommend seeking a replacement. The analog stick can be annoyingly wobbly, the D-Pad is small and unresponsive, and the shoulder buttons and rather to slow to respond instantly; plus it can be annoying to do chain combos with only your thumbs. The wireless controllers also have a bad habit of the batteries dying or getting shaken up during critical moments in matches, plus they don't respond as fast as wired controllers.

Luckily, I found a http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-WWE-All-Stars-Brawl/dp/B004M22C0S|perfect replacement. This controller makes it a lot easier with the 6 button layout, rubbery grips (more comfy when I get sweaty hands), and the turbo button can come in handy for certain games too. If Fightstick prices aren't a bother for you, then it might work for you. But that alone may not fix all the problems you already face and might even make it worse, since many people who buy sticks often get pissed trying to train with them (including myself at the arcade, but I'm gonna try again anyway) and suck with them, and might eventually go back to using their pads. Although I'm not a fan of WWE, this controller is wired and makes it much easier for my combos and inputs that I could never do on a regular 360 pad; and the D-Pad is much bigger with 8 directions and more responsive. I got mine pre-owned for $22 (regular price is around $30) and its significantly cheaper than sticks.

If you can't afford a stick or it looks too confusing for you, then this may be the alternate for you. I do want a stick for other FGs like Street Fighter, Umvc3, etc.; but I can use this perfectly for Skullgirls and I love it, I see no need for an Arcade Stick. I will be honest though; it can be very annoying to do :DP: Motions when you first get it (at least for me when I did) and you might mess up forward or back jumps, but you'll get used to it. Maybe in a few days, weeks, or months (weeks for me); just depends on the person. Don't let me influence you too much though, if at all.
 
Funkermonster said:
But 360 controllers are awful for Fighting games though and I would recommend seeking a replacement. The analog stick can be annoyingly wobbly, the D-Pad is small and unresponsive, and the shoulder buttons and rather to slow to respond instantly; plus it can be annoying to do chain combos with only your thumbs. The wireless controllers also have a bad habit of the batteries dying or getting shaken up during critical moments in matches, plus they don't respond as fast as wired controllers.

Personally I think getting a wired 360 would be a better option - I've had no troubles using my 360 controller as it is - I mess up some Cymbal Crashes but personally that's my fault. I've had a easier time playing with a 360 controller, and I've been able to do combos with my thumbs. I can see why it'd be a bad thing, but I think I'm fine where I am.

I will consider that controller, though. I might not, the button placement seems a little out of place for me, but I'll see.
 
What do you guys think of this thing and it's family. I'm personally not ready to take the dive into Fight Sticks just yet

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SkullPickles said:
What do you guys think of this thing and it's family. I'm personally not ready to take the dive into Fight Sticks just yet

Though I have a few sticks I also have the C. Viper version of that pad, which a friend gave to me. I'd say they're reasonably solid (though I question the logic of having both Rs on the front and both Ls on the shoulders, given that L and R are short for Left and Right respectively). Some complain of the d-pad breaking down over time, but I've not had any problems with it.
 
I know a number of people swear by those pads, but they have a reputation for breaking every so often. If you're considering it because you want something similar to the controllers you're already used to, then it's probably a good choice, but if you're choosing this over a stick simply to save some money then you might want to reconsider saving a bit more for a stick.
 
LordCeno said:
Some complain of the d-pad breaking down over time, but I've not had any problems with it.

I heard there is an easy mod to fix that

Vadsamoht said:
but if you're choosing this over a stick simply to save some money then you might want to reconsider saving a bit more for a stick.
It's half that I'm not ready for a stick and half I'm not willing to shell out that much.
I'm pretty new to fighting games and sticks seem like something a hardcore fighter would have but I'm still new to this world.
 
everyone I know with one of those pads has had them break every 2-3 months and once you replace a few of them you basically could have gotten a stick

for $20 it's not a huge deal, but I'd just recommend playing on a keyboard if that's an option
 
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Madcatz pads usually go for around $20-30 IIRC, and the WWE Brawlstick (ugly, but a solid first stick) can often be found for around $50. I can't tell you which to buy, but after replacing the pad a few times you may as well have taken the plunge from an economic perspective. Also a lot of new players get along fine with a stick, it's just a matter of putting in a little bit of time to get used to the motions.

That said, yes, the Madcatz pad is a reasonably solid choice from what I've heard, so long as you're willing to replace it eventually.
 
I use one of those, and I like it. It feels very comfortable and intuitive to use, though I've only had mine for like a month or two so I can't say a lot on the durability of it yet.
 
Stick users: How hard would you say it is to learn to use a stick? I played SSF4 at an Arcade with a stick and it wasn't too bad, infact I'm now considering a stick. It was a little tricky to get used to and my wrist did hurt after a bit, but it was my first time around. How hard is a stick difficulty curve? I'd love to buy one.
 
In my (low amount of) experience, the stick makes things a bit easier, especially as someone who's relatively new to fighting games. It's really just a matter of figuring out a comfortable way of holding the joystick and getting used to the stick inputs (and practice, of course).

Not sure how to handle your specific wrist problem, but the nice thing about an arcade stick is that you can put it on anything that's at a comfortable height for you (desk, lap, etc).

(bonus: you can use it for games that aren't fighting games!)
 
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ChexGuy said:
Not sure how to handle your specific wrist problem, but the nice thing about an arcade stick is that you can put it on anything that's at a comfortable height for you (desk, lap, etc).

The wrist problem could've just been the placement, it was kind of an awkward hand position for me. I'd assume I get used to it though.
 
I have bad wrists, so I get soreness after playing for a while. I ended up going to the first aid section of my local supermarket to get one of these for like $7. It was a really big help.

As for learning how to use a stick, if you were okay play SFIV in an arcade, the its just going to be a period of adjustment.
 
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Skymin50 said:
Stick users: How hard would you say it is to learn to use a stick? I played SSF4 at an Arcade with a stick and it wasn't too bad, infact I'm now considering a stick. It was a little tricky to get used to and my wrist did hurt after a bit, but it was my first time around. How hard is a stick difficulty curve? I'd love to buy one.
I found this fairly informative video.


As for me, I use an Xbox One gamepad for my computer. Arcade stick is just a far too foreign idea to me. Though, the one problem I experience using the Xbox One gamepad currently, when you go to LAN's or tournaments it isn't a simple plugin-'n-go situation. You have to manually download the drivers, which with the release of the official drivers two weeks ago, this becomes much easier.
 
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I'd say that sticks aren't that hard to get used to, unless you've already invested a huge amount of time (years and years) into playing a fighting game on a pad or something else. When you first use it, you'll feel like you can't get anything to come out right, but especially with SG's comparatively simple motions it shouldn't take too long to get the hang of it.
 
If you buy a TE for say $100
And then feel like "Boo this kinda sucks, I don't like it" after a month
You can hop onto Ebay and sell it for say $95
 
I’m not sure if this is one the best pads I’ve ever used or one of the worst.

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These things are probably less relevant these days since they were made for the dreamcast, but this is probably the best design I’ve seen that featured a thumb stick, directional pad, and six face buttons at the same time. Unfortunately, the actual build quality of the pads was all over the place. There were many revisions and one pad could be a lot worse than the next even if they seemed to be part of the same run.

Thumb sticks were always worse than full sized arcade sticks, but some things like Mortal Kombat inputs and IADs just seemed to feel better on a D-pad. Then again, I’d say a keyboard/“hit box"/”fight board“ style device handles those things just as well if not better while sacrificing fewer of the advantages of a traditional arcade layout.

The stuff I’m using most often now is pretty crappy. I should probably get around to doing something about that soon since my keyboard has minor rollover issues, causes my wrist to cramp after a while, standard 360 pads are garbage, and dreamcast equipment isn’t realy of much use if you want to actually play against other people. I’m thinking of just building my own device since it shouldn’t cost much more, but I can’t decide between a classic arcade layout or some sort of stickless design.
 
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I just started playing fighting games competitively last year, and have been playing fighters with an X-Box 360 controller. While at a tournament I used a fightstick for a short amount of time and although it took getting used to I loved using it and would love to get one. After talking to the owner of the stick and gaining minimal knowledge of how fightsticks work, I know the basics. At this point, all I know I need a circle gate, and am planning on putting in custom buttons. I was wondering if anyone recommends any specific types of sticks that are high quality and relatively easy to customize.
 
Merging this with an existing thread so you might get more answers.
 
Skymin50 said:
The wrist problem could've just been the placement, it was kind of an awkward hand position for me. I'd assume I get used to it though.
LordCeno said:
I have bad wrists, so I get soreness after playing for a while. I ended up going to the first aid section of my local supermarket to get one of these for like $7. It was a really big help.

As for learning how to use a stick, if you were okay play SFIV in an arcade, the its just going to be a period of adjustment.


 
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Does anyone know if Skullgirls is compatible for keyboard use on the PS3 version? And if it is, how do I set it up? Plugged it in, was working at the PlayStation xmb but once Skullgirls launched the keyboard was un responsive. Tried wired and wireless usb keyboards
 
If you want a good pad a quality pad:

HSS-0101(JP Ver)
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The first line of sega saturn JP pads. Their Quality on the D-PAD was even better than the EU/US releases.

MK-80116(US/EU Ver)
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Just as good as the Japanese version with a minor quality degredation on the D-PAD. Still feels great though.

PlaySEGA USB(PS3/PC)
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To my knowledge this was a reboot officially by sega that they gave out to their website subscribers.
Nearly as good as the originals.

Keep in mind The original thing can be pricey and you will also need a converter.

The PlaySEGA USB can be still found for purchase if you look hard enough. Also they are cheaper and has no need for a converter. I personally own the USB and the Grey JP version. They feel great. But i have moved on to sticks for a while now. But i highly recommend them.
 
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i wonder why people use the dpad when using a controller. its so much harder to do quarter circle moves with it :/
 
It eliminates the chance of getting "fuzzy" inputs and you don't need to worry about floppy stick syndrome. Also, people that grew up with, e.g. SFII on SNES would have learned on a dpad to begin with.
 
Shot in the dark, but does anyone know of PS3 sticks that have 'loose' buttons? I'm playing regularly on a Hori RAP VX-SA, but it's 360. Not a problem at home when I'm on my PC, but I need something PS3 compatible for live play. I've tried several Mad Catz and Razer sticks, but the buttons all felt stiffer than the RAP I'm used to. I'd like to just pick up a PS3 version of my stick, but Hori doesn't sell it anymore. The closest I've found is the Kai variant, but that was sold by Gamestop and fuck those guys. I can go onto ebay, but I'm pretty leery of picking up used sticks. Much like a used car, I want to drive it a bit before paying money for it.
 
Qanba Q4 is dual modded (works on ps3/pc and xbox).

It also has crazy loose buttons (took me a while to get used to as I'd brush them and get an input).
 
all of those sticks including the madcatz sticks should all use the exact same button, the obsf-30

I will say that snap-ins that are firmly secured in the stick feel snappier and more responsive than ones not fully locked in place though, so it might be a housing issue

screw-in buttons might be something worth trying instead of the snap in ones

there are some ps3 horis on amazon, but the markup is significant
 
Hey, so...
Do you know good gamepads? I don't like to play SG with stick, so i think i am gonna stick (lol) to gamepad.
But my DS3 i barely alive... and i want to try something different.

I don't like "sega" gamepad layout tbh. Classic DS3 layout works alright for me.
 
What don't you like about the Sega layout? I haven't used it, so I'm not saying it's good, but if we know what you do/don't like then we'll be better able to make good suggestions. (also if you could include an image so we know we're talking about the same thing)
 
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