This new loop that Fox and Josh brought up has nothing to do with j. hk. It has to do with an ambiguous 50/50 after recovering from a cr. mp though. Her j. hk was already nerfed in hitbox, I don't think it needs to be nerfed more.
I didn't see the reset they found, did they post it somewhere? Is it possible on retail fukua?
Once again I'm not saying it's too good, I'm saying it makes him extremely boring as a character.
Not to take away from your vid, some good stuff. But literally every single thing you did in that vid can be done off of lk shadow. Nothing was exclusive to m shadow
New options = playstyle change.
when we discovered how boring fukua was this was a way to make her interesting
I never even did the loops tbh. Ask sage, he was yelling at me for it.
its just from the gist of what youve said about fukua its that you want m shadow back is what im getting. We keep saying her neutral hasnt changed much. Its literally the same. You just have to be more mindful of things now rather autopilot
I never did loops either :( I used m shadow to stop people from jumping in.
Take into account what you would lose if you got drill instead. Drill would be a pressure tool. She already has those. I prefer the grab. I can now high profile lows on a read and kill people its great.
What if it was a vertical drill? The animation of her super but only 4-5 hits with air recovery instead of red bounce
could be a little strong and i dont think mike wants her to have drill. Remember fukua is meant to be nerfed not better. Thats why these changes are here as compensation from the nerfs she just faced
I consider that a nerf still. It gets rid of the vortex. It would act similar to chair assist but worse since it has no green bounce. Or chun li assist in mvc2.
vortex is already gone with current m shadow. But i still like the reset option that exists from m shadow which is why id prefer it over a drill assist. Its just lockdown. I can do that on my own
Everything I'm saying about Fukua is not an extension of "I want old M shadow assist back"
They were changed to compensate not only for nerfing m shadow, but literally everything else. The compensation is now we get to set shadows for even better pressure and neutral control. And here RIGHT HERE
You dont even notice your going back intro wanting M shadow back!! Old M shadow was a problem. Its now gone. So is her damage. Her neutral is the same. She now gets better pressure and better setups, at the cost of losing damage and pressure. But your saying "why didnt we adjust how she stays in afterwards like sage said" that never really WAS a problem. She always was/still is a pressure heavy block string character. I think the problem was the damage and accessibility/utility of the move as well as being a move that was unstoppable with in neutral. Even the NEW nerfed M shadow was even BETTER than before. Now its different. ANd its different GOOD. Just because the m shadow is different didnt mean her as a character has changed. Her playstyle is the same. If you wanna play fukua lik prepatch, you STILL CAN. You just wont get the same results. This is forcing you to use your head more. M shadow is probably the most autopilot move in the game. Its gone and i think its rightfully gone in return for an IMO better tool if you think about it. Id rather that move be nerfed rather acore design of her pressure to be nerfed.
I was asking a sincere question. Apparently a lot of discussion happened in a dm or in a discord or something that weren't public (I didn't see them at least), and the changes we have now are the result of that conversation(s). From an outside perspective, from my perspective, the changes seem sudden and out of nowhere. I was asking a question about what went into this change and if anyone considered other avenues, because I was not privy to the discussions.
She can't be the same and better/worse/different at the same time. Even if she is still a heavy block string character, even if she still functions well, even if she can do 95% of the things she could do, there a parts of her neutral and pressure that are different. That's what I was saying earlier, I don't know why that's a controversial point to make.
I was just going off what sage said. I wasn't the one who thought it was a problem, so i was going off what the guys who are saying it is a problem are saying. He said a big problem was that you couldn't get her off you (though he just said it wasn't that serious so idk?) so I just assumed that was a big problem.
