Webtoon thread

[Witchfinder]

Wasn't into the new art style but it's growing on me. Glad it kicked in in the nick of time for the "In A Moment's Time" scene, because that whole sequence was A+.

 

[BloodofAeon]

New chapter!!!

 

[Corridor89]

I guess this probably confirms that Irvin isn't medici. (at least in the webtoon)
And it also implies vitale has a life gem himself.

 

[Holy Goose]

Oh yeah, I was already happy to see Big Band again, but when Irvin appeared, I had to scream in delight.

Okay, so the guy in question works for the crown. Sometimes. Adam's appearance, yay. Probably, the theory that Irvin is a Medici's son falls flat. But he still can be disguised as Regina, you know...

Peacock really is the star of the show. Her interior design abilities rival only the ones that The Fishbone Gang has. Wish they could join their forces, but it will never happen.

Also, I noticed that some of the Medici goons in the Casino look like Luke Atmey and Godot from "Ace Attorney". Or maybe I'm just delusional.

There are times were Vitale refers to Lorenzo by his name, but only in the third person (when he's talking about his father to someone else), but referring to his father by his name when directly talking to him is a bit weird.

As it turns out, Lorenzo calls Vitale by his name too... Is it to conceal the facts, so no-one would ask questions about Lorenzo's longevity?

Or maybe that's just the family quirk, you know...

Yeah, I liked how they had an Ottomo panel and then an Eli close-up in the vents to compare their similarities. Maybe eel-type Dagonians inspired Tom when creating the mech? I never thought of the two together before.

Makes me want to see Ottomo's origin story.

The previous chapter implies that there's some sort of connection between the Gang and Tom, considering the way they put him out of commission . We really need to know more about that.

 

[BloodofAeon]

Also, I noticed that some of the Medici goons in the Casino look like Luke Atmey and Godot from "Ace Attorney". Or maybe I'm just delusional.

You're not delusional, I think much like how the cleanup crew were apparently Lupin-themed, I think this set of goons were Ace Attorney-themed.

I cropped out Luke Atmey but that looks like Apollo, Dick and Phoenix already on screen. I didn't notice anyone else, kinda surprised to not see Edgeworth (I do not think he's in the bag).

It's a fun quirk that I like seeing even if the connection isn't as immediately clear as seeing heist gang references in a plot about a gang pulling off a heist. Probs just cheeky for the sake of it, which I don't mind.

 

[Holy Goose]

It's a fun quirk that I like seeing even if the connection isn't as immediately clear as seeing heist gang references in a plot about a gang pulling off a heist. Probs just cheeky for the sake of it, which I don't mind.

Oh, that's quite a great feature. I like that sort of "easter eggs".

I didn't notice anyone else, kinda surprised to not see Edgeworth (I do not think he's in the bag).

But the colour of that costume kind of gives it away...

I noticed the coffee prosecutor Godot and a guy, who looks like Ryunosuke Naruhodo (but this one might be a stretch).

 

[Chrono_Tata]

Seeing how they put credits at the bottom, is Episode 14 the end? Leave the gruesome and gorey consequences for the Fishbone Gang unsaid not shown?

If you haven't already seen it, there is a comment from the writer that putting the credits doesn't mean they are ending the series, they just want to give prop to the team members working on the comic.

I guess this probably confirms that Irvin isn't medici. (at least in the webtoon)

Yeah, I think it's not looking likely, although I wouldn't say it (de)confirms it. Even if he's working deep cover for the Medici, there's no reason he couldn't take jobs from the Renoirs. If anything, that's what someone under deep cover might do.

And it also implies vitale has a life gem himself.

Dunno about that either. Vitale looks significantly older than Lorenzo with the Life Gem. If he were using one, you'd think they would look around the same age. I think Vitale has something that is dear to him, and Lorenzo is threatening harm to it if he doesn't get his way.

As it turns out, Lorenzo calls Vitale by his name too... Is it to conceal the facts, so no-one would ask questions about Lorenzo's longevity?

Or maybe that's just the family quirk, you know...

I mean, it's not uncommon for a father to call his son by his name. Much less common the other way around though. Normally it shows disrespect, but in this case it could be Vitale trying to be "professional" and not using familial terms to refer to Lorenzo, who is also essentially his boss.

But he has referred to Lorenzo as Father in SGM, which was likely written by another writer. So it just seems to be a quirk with this particular writer.

The previous chapter implies that there's some sort of connection between the Gang and Tom, considering the way they put him out of commission . We really need to know more about that.

Idk. I think it's probably just a well-known fact that Tom is a drunk and could probably be distracted by alcohol.

On that note though, I think it was a bit weird that Ottomo was disabled essentially by taking out Tom. We were previously told that Ottomo has his own AI which is a completely different personality from Tom, and it's the AI that normally communicates with the Mafia bosses, since it's programmed to act like a butler. Even if Tom is taken out and Ottomo isn't physically controlled, the AI should still be functioning if the actual robot wasn't disabled.

Maybe the whole Ottomo being a separate AI thing has been changed, but it would just be weird if it's actually Tom who is doing Ottomo voices.

 

[Holy Goose]

This time, it's not a hiatus for "two weeks", there's much more.

I really love this chapter. So many things happening simultaneously...

Dahlia making fun of Lorenzo? Check. Vitale being seemingly the only sane person in the room? Check. Eliza fabulously appearing? Triple check.

Really, this plot turn does make me wonder about Dahlia's next actions. Seems that she wasn't tasked with retrieving the Life Gem.

But we definitely know what Ottomo and Vitale are going to do next. Poor Filia.

The part with the Lab is amazing. Couldn't believe I will see Stanley in the webcomic so soon. And that picture of him with Andy is adorable...

Once again, it's interesting to find out what were the Lab and the Egrets doing during the Skullgirl's attack on Maplecrest.

Also, Molly is a freaking treasure to look at. Nice to see it being back, that's the most important part. Adam, Irvin and Stanley together in the same frame is a combo I couldn't dream of. And I really like the background characters in the Lab and the Medici Tower. Really brings some life in the comic.

 

[Chrono_Tata]

This time, it's not a hiatus for "two weeks", there's much more.

It's 2x2 Weeks. Double the fun!

Really, this plot turn does make me wonder about Dahlia's next actions. Seems that she wasn't tasked with retrieving the Life Gem.

Assuming they want to get to the Fishbone Gang massacre at some point to bring Fortune's character in-line with how she appears in the game, they would need to run into each other sooner or later. Perhaps someone else finds the FIshbone Gang and Dahlia was put in charge of interrogating them.

But yeah, canonically Cerebella and Eliza being tasked with retrieving the Life Gem would happen after the Fishbone Gang were already killed, so the timeline is pretty out of whack compared to the canon one.

Once again, it's interesting to find out what were the Lab and the Egrets doing during the Skullgirl's attack on Maplecrest.

Well, interesting at least in the context of the Webtoon. I don't think Parasoul raiding the Labs happens in the canon timeline.

But yeah, I think it's cool to see the timeline moving at a different pace compared to the canon one and what alternately could happen, even if I feel the characterisations of certain characters are still a bit off compared to what we have been used to in the games.

 

[Holy Goose]

It's 2x2 Weeks. Double the fun!

In hindsight, there should have been an image of trolling Double and really angry Marie at the end of the chapter...

But yeah, canonically Cerebella and Eliza being tasked with retrieving the Life Gem would happen after the Fishbone Gang were already killed, so the timeline is pretty out of whack compared to the canon one.

Indeed.
And another question is about Eliza. Vitale outright mentions that he pays her. Don't remember this happening in-game.

But yeah, I think it's cool to see the timeline moving at a different pace compared to the canon one and what alternately could happen, even if I feel the characterisations of certain characters are still a bit off compared to what we have been used to in the games.

Same.
Nice to see it happening at all. Once again, more reason to speculate about the canon timeline

 

[Chrono_Tata]

In hindsight, there should have been an image of trolling Double and really angry Marie at the end of the chapter...

I feel like they could have leaned into the Two Weeks meme more but clearly the devs don't think it's as funny as I think it is. :P

And another question is about Eliza. Vitale outright mentions that he pays her. Don't remember this happening in-game.

Yeah, that is weird and I don't see why they thought they needed to change Eliza's motivation for having to help the Medici. However, it was also pointed out to me that it could be that Vitale is just saying that to hide Eliza's secret from the other Medici members. Either way, even if Vitale is paying her, Eliza isn't a gun-for-hire, and the fact she agreed to help them in the first place would likely mean there is more at stake for her than money, so I think the blackmailing aspect is still at play.

Same.
Nice to see it happening at all. Once again, more reason to speculate about the canon timeline

Can't wait to explain to SGM-only players or people who have only read the Webtoon that the timeline is not canon lol.

 

[Holy Goose]

I feel like they could have leaned into the Two Weeks meme more but clearly the devs don't think it's as funny as I think it is. :P

A huge disappointment!

Yeah, that is weird and I don't see why they thought they needed to change Eliza's motivation for having to help the Medici. However, it was also pointed out to me that it could be that Vitale is just saying that to hide Eliza's secret from the other Medici members. Either way, even if Vitale is paying her, Eliza isn't a gun-for-hire, and the fact she agreed to help them in the first place would likely mean there is more at stake for her than money, so I think the blackmailing aspect is still at play.

There was a scene in one of the earlier chapters with Lorenzo reading some reports about Eliza, so it's quite possible.
I hope they didn't change much of that particular part. Eliza shouldn't be tainted by changing her characterisation.

Can't wait to explain to SGM-only players or people who have only read the Webtoon that the timeline is not canon lol.

Well, some SGM-only players are puzzled by the Webtoon timeline too...

 

[Chrono_Tata]

There was a scene in one of the earlier chapters with Lorenzo reading some reports about Eliza, so it's quite possible.
I hope they didn't change much of that particular part. Eliza shouldn't be tainted by changing her characterisation.

Yeah, it was just in a newspaper I think, about Eliza's blood drive. I think it's just a reference to that particular part of her lore for the eagle-eyed reader.

Well, some SGM-only players are puzzled by the Webtoon timeline too...

Yeahh. We've been told that both the SGM Main Story timeline and the Webtoon timelines are not canon, but I don't think it's a common knowledge that is known to most players. I wonder if there is a way SGM and/or the Webtoon could clarify that more.

 

[tristePinguino]

Yeah, I liked how they had an Ottomo panel and then an Eli close-up in the vents to compare their similarities. Maybe eel-type Dagonians inspired Tom when creating the mech? I never thought of the two together before.

Wasn't Ottomo ASG Lab tech Tom stole from the labs when he defected? Or was this changed?
Though I guess Tom could've made his own modifications, too.

Also, with that transition from Ottomo to Eli, I really thought they were gonna put Eli in Ottomo's suit.

Maybe the whole Ottomo being a separate AI thing has been changed, but it would just be weird if it's actually Tom who is doing Ottomo voices.

Maybe the AI is simply for speech and mannerisms instead of major motor function or something, lol.

 

[Corridor89]

I forgot to point it out from a couple weeks ago, but the panel where Tom was swaddled up was undoubtedly an Eraserhead reference.

 

[Chrono_Tata]

Wasn't Ottomo ASG Lab tech Tom stole from the labs when he defected? Or was this changed?
Though I guess Tom could've made his own modifications, too.

Yeah, pretty sure this is still true. We don't know if Ottomo was originally meant to be internally piloted, but if he did then Tom must have made some modifications so that someone his size could pilot it. He's definitely not a standard sized person, even as far as Dagonians go.

Also, with that transition from Ottomo to Eli, I really thought they were gonna put Eli in Ottomo's suit.

Lol would have been interesting but don't think Eli could fit in there.

Maybe the AI is simply for speech and mannerisms instead of major motor function or something, lol.

Yeah, I think that is the intention. But like I said, if Ottomo's AI is responsible for talking then he could have alerted Lorenzo even if Tom is knocked out. I'll just assume that the Fishbone disabled him off-panel or something, for the sake of my sanity.

I forgot to point it out from a couple weeks ago, but the panel where Tom was swaddled up was undoubtedly an Eraserhead reference.

Oh, interesting. Can you point out which scene in particular? I've never seen the movie but I should check it out.

 

[Corridor89]

You had probably just better watch Eraserhead yourself. But specifically, Tom swaddled makes him look like a character from the move.

 

[Holy Goose]

I'll just assume that the Fishbone disabled him off-panel or something, for the sake of my sanity.

Same.
Otherwise, it wouldn't make sense at all.

I'm still theorising that the Gang knew Tom from somewhere, so they had some knowledge about his job and Ottomo's functions.
Maybe they saw him getting drunk and spilling some important information.