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Skullgirls Lore Speculation

Plot twist, Irvin is a woman. A disguised assassin normally known as Regina sent out by the Medici to strike Ms Fortune when she least expects it.
 
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Welcome to Irvin/Regina sexulation.
 
Does Black Dahlia have a name for those playboy bunnies that follow her around? I've heard them referred to as "The Showgirls" in the OC forum but I haven't seen that name anywhere else.
 
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Psychophant said:
Does Black Dahlia have a name for those playboy bunnies that follow her around? I've heard them referred to as "The Showgirls" in the OC forum but I haven't seen that name anywhere else.
If they don't, I vote showgirls. I like the name.
 
Black Dahlia and her Black Beauties
 
DDB said:
Black Dahlia and her Black Beauties
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What say you in the face of this accusation, Horseman?

Just one for the record, are both of Dahlia's legs prosthetic? I was under the initial impression that it was just both limbs on her right side, but looking at the character sheets it seems as if both legs are robotic.
 
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Psychophant said:
Does Black Dahlia have a name for those playboy bunnies that follow her around? I've heard them referred to as "The Showgirls" in the OC forum but I haven't seen that name anywhere else.

They don't have a name, I just figured ShowGirls seemed fitting for them. I'm pretty sure you won't hear much about them, but I feel there is so much they could be used for similar to how M.Bison had The Dolls.
 
I just thought of a question that I haven't heard anyone ask before.

Can Living Weapons be Killed?
 
Well, Alex has referred to the Medici female assassins before. I don't think there is a canon name for the group but they must be pretty important to the lore. I'm sure we'll see more of them when/if Dahlia's story comes out.

And I don't see why Living Weapons wouldn't be able to be destroyed? If it gets damaged enough, it would probably die.
 
Denizen said:
I just thought of a question that I haven't heard anyone ask before.

Can Living Weapons be Killed?

This was actually answered on a Salty Stream once before, Living Weapons can in fact be destroyed as though they were plain weapons
 
Considering Peacock's holding a tattered and torn Vice-Versa in her ending.
 
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I am unsure if this is commonly known, but my theory is that Double/The Trinity actually wanted Parasoul to become the Skullgirl, and set that up using umbrella's kidnapping and such. They had no intention of making umbrella the Skullgirl from the start.
 
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Speaking of that, I actually have a problem with Parasoul's ending.
The skullheart legend goes that, if someone makes a wish that isn't pure, they're turned into the skullgirl... Well, Parasoul's wish is 100% pure and selfless. In order to save the sister that has never done anything for her, she takes up her burden. Seriously, how do you get more pure than that?
And we can tell that the skullheart isn't lying when it says that making a pure wish won't turn you into a skullgirl, since he gives Filia extra time because she came so close to being selfless.
So why did she become a skullgirl? I've heard people say that the only way that Umbrella wouldn't become a skullgirl is if Parasoul becomes a skullgirl, but that kind of falls apart since there can definitely just not be a skullgirl for a while, the easiest solution would by that logic would be for the skullheart to be destroyed. But the big problem is, her wish is that Umbrella will never be a skullgirl- simply making someone else a skullgirl doesn't fulfill that wish, since the skullheart would still exist and Umbrella would still seek it whenever it comes back. So Umbrella would have to actually lose the power to wish from the skullheart at all for the wish to come true. And now we're back to the original question: Why would Parasoul be turned into a skullgirl?
 
I believe there are three possible reasons.

1. The Skull Heart is lying bastard and will create a Skullgirl no matter what.

2. Parasoul's wish actually wasn't 100% pure and selfless, contrary to what you believe.

3. There's some humongous twist in the rules of the story that Alex Ahad has kept a closely guarded secret.
 
Denizen said:
I believe there are three possible reasons.

1. The Skull Heart is lying bastard and will create a Skullgirl no matter what.

2. Parasoul's wish actually wasn't 100% pure and selfless, contrary to what you believe.

3. There's some humongous twist in the rules of the story that Alex Ahad has kept a closely guarded secret.

The Skull Heart is most likely a monkey's paw, a tool to serve the Trinity; if you look deep enough into into the context of any wish, you can find something self-serving and impure about it. Wishing for world peace, or the safety of your sister, or the revival of your unjusty-murdered family, or the recovery of your kidnapped and mutilated friend? These were all deemed impure wishes.
 
Flotilla said:
The Skull Heart is most likely a monkey's paw, a tool to serve the Trinity; if you look deep enough into into the context of any wish, you can find something self-serving and impure about it. Wishing for world peace, or the safety of your sister, or the revival of your unjusty-murdered family, or the recovery of your kidnapped and mutilated friend? These were all deemed impure wishes.
But the thing that strikes me as odd is that the skullheart tells Filia that she was close. Why would he even bother giving her extra time? Not only that, but he exclusively gives Filia free time- Parasoul doesn't get free time, she doesn't even get a reason as to why her wish is impure. If it's all a trick and there's no such thing as a pure wish, why did the skullheart even give Filia extra time? Did the trinity feel sympathy for filia?
But the difference between Parasoul's wish and everyone else's is that she ONLY has something to lose, not something to gain. The only person who benefits is umbrella. In the case of World Peace as Parasoul's mother's wish, her and her kingdom benefit by not having to pay for a costly and brutal war. Filia's is explained by the skullheart. Ms.Fortune never wished so who knows what would have happened there (although it probably would have backfired due to wanting revenge on the medicis and/or her feelings of guilt for surviving.)
I suppose that, in the event that she didn't become a skullgirl, she benefits from not having to deal with the skullgirl, but she seems entirely aware of what will happen when she made the wish so that doesn't make a ton of sense. Plus that pretty much applies to every wish, so that would really just mean that the skullheart is a lying asshole... which would make Filia's extra time make no sense. It's like a loop. Parasoul's ending proves that the skullheart is a liar, Filia's ending proves that the skullheart is willing to be lenient and forgiving.
 
One thing to remember..well several things actually. The legend of the Skullheart granting wishes to those deemed "pure" was a story passed around, whomever told the story, is unknown. For all we know Double could have started the story about people with pure hearts not becoming the Skullgirl just to entice women to seek the heart. And just seeking the Skullheart could be considered impure due to trying to accomplish your own personal gain no matter your intent. However with Parasoul, the Skullheart did mention that in time, Parasoul would become the Skullgirl being the trade off for never allowing Umbrella to become one(though it was never stated Umbrella couldn't make a wish). The wording may be different, but the meaning is the same. Also whose to say the Skullheart wasn't lying to Filia about the length of her transformation after all it's to be assumed that the transformation process isn't instantaneous for any women with Valentine as the exception.
 
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Horseman said:
But the thing that strikes me as odd is that the skullheart tells Filia that she was close. Why would he even bother giving her extra time? Not only that, but he exclusively gives Filia free time- Parasoul doesn't get free time, she doesn't even get a reason as to why her wish is impure. If it's all a trick and there's no such thing as a pure wish, why did the skullheart even give Filia extra time? Did the trinity feel sympathy for filia?

Mmm, even if it doesn't say so explicitly like it does to Filia, Parasoul does seem to get a pretty generous leeway of time. I mean, her ending is basically training Umbrella to (eventually) fight her. That takes time.

And IIRC, Umbrella had the connection to the Skullheart because she was conceived while her mother was carrying it - which unless King Renoir is into some really weird stuff means she had 9 months to a year minimum before she transformed.
 
SunnyRei said:
which unless King Renoir is into some really weird stuff
The Aristocrats.
 
SunnyRei said:
And IIRC, Umbrella had the connection to the Skullheart because she was conceived while her mother was carrying it - which unless King Renoir is into some really weird stuff means she had 9 months to a year minimum before she transformed.

Umbrella's blood may be Skullgirl blood being that her mother was the Skullgirl which would explain why she is drawn to the Skullheart and relates it to her mother similar to how Painwheel has more control over herself the closer she approaches the Skullgirl, the Skullgirl blood being the connection to the Skullheart may also act as a way for a female (can't exactly say male's would react similar) to receive their desires e.g Painwheel obtaining freedom and Umbrella being with her mother ( not sure I worded that they way I want to).
 
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I think your getting the point across just fine PKStoopKid, and I think your onto something there.
 
SunnyRei said:
And IIRC, Umbrella had the connection to the Skullheart because she was conceived while her mother was carrying it - which unless King Renoir is into some really weird stuff means she had 9 months to a year minimum before she transformed.
I thought she was just in the womb while she was a skullgirl? Because her wish was for the end of the war, and the skullheart ended it by turning her into a skullgirl so powerful that they had to combine forces to kill her, correct? So that would mean that she wished for the end of the war and suddenly nothing happened and the war continued for like a year until she became the skullgirl? Because that would be pretty awkward wish fulfillment. Or I guess the skullheart might have told her what would happen after the wish, but if that's what happened she's a complete asshole for not telling anyone.
But still, that would make things stranger. If the skullheart is so lenient, one would think that it's also telling the truth about an absolutely pure wish setting you free. The skullheart is generous about wishes that are almost pure, but if an actually pure wish were given he would pretend like it was corrupt and make them a skullgirl anyway? It's not paradoxical, it's just awkward. Like a murderer that's really worried about whether or not his victims thought he was a nice guy, but doesn't have a second thought about killing them.

Come to think of it, what would happened if you wished for something nice and then killed yourself (or someone else killed you, or you died naturally) before you fucked it all up as the skullgirl? Would the skullheart leave, or would you turn into a zombie skullgirl when you would have turned into a normal one? If the skullheart doesn't leave, can you take the skullheart out like you can when you defeat a normal skullgirl? If you destroy it, would the corpse never become a zombie skullgirl? I'm way over-analyzing this, aren't I?
 
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Horseman said:
Come to think of it, what would happened if you wished for something nice and then killed yourself (or someone else killed you, or you died naturally) before you fucked it all up as the skullgirl? Would the skullheart leave, or would you turn into a zombie skullgirl when you would have turned into a normal one? If the skullheart doesn't leave, can you take the skullheart out like you can when you defeat a normal skullgirl? If you destroy it, would the corpse never become a zombie skullgirl? I'm way over-analyzing this, aren't I?
If I remember right, some where it was said that if the Skullgirl dies and no one claims the Skullheart it will ether disappear or temporarily vanish. Then again, my memory is crap.
 
Horseman said:
I thought she was just in the womb while she was a skullgirl? Because her wish was for the end of the war, and the skullheart ended it by turning her into a skullgirl so powerful that they had to combine forces to kill her, correct? So that would mean that she wished for the end of the war and suddenly nothing happened and the war continued for like a year until she became the skullgirl? Because that would be pretty awkward wish fulfillment. Or I guess the skullheart might have told her what would happen after the wish, but if that's what happened she's a complete asshole for not telling anyone.
But still, that would make things stranger. If the skullheart is so lenient, one would think that it's also telling the truth about an absolutely pure wish setting you free. The skullheart is generous about wishes that are almost pure, but if an actually pure wish were given he would pretend like it was corrupt and make them a skullgirl anyway? It's not paradoxical, it's just awkward. Like a murderer that's really worried about whether or not his victims thought he was a nice guy, but doesn't have a second thought about killing them.

Come to think of it, what would happened if you wished for something nice and then killed yourself (or someone else killed you, or you died naturally) before you fucked it all up as the skullgirl? Would the skullheart leave, or would you turn into a zombie skullgirl when you would have turned into a normal one? If the skullheart doesn't leave, can you take the skullheart out like you can when you defeat a normal skullgirl? If you destroy it, would the corpse never become a zombie skullgirl? I'm way over-analyzing this, aren't I?

Lol, over-analyzing isn't bad!
It's interesting that you ask that, though; has anybody considered that Queen Renoir could have been in the same boat as Blood Marie? Skullgirls are bad news, but Marie seemed to be of (relatively) sound mind (although, that may be because she was actively carrying out her own wish until the Trinity got tired of waiting). Supposedly, in their respective timelines, Filia and Parasoul will become Skullgirls bent on destruction, but Valentine seemed to get some free-will, like Marie. Then again, Valentine may become a threat later, as she was raising Painwheel to become her downfall. Could Queen Nancy have been a "conscious" Skullgirl (like Marie) at first? I just find it hard to believe that Queen Renoir's transformation took a long time, and I imagine that a Skullgirl giving birth would be an odd affair.
As for the wishes, though... Is there really such thing as a pure wish? Lol. Speaking of over-analyzing, Parasoul's wish could be considered impure, as she would benefit from Umbrella not becoming a Skullgirl, even if that means becoming one herself (it also seems that "selfish" wishes and "impure" wishes are the same thing). Her wish to protect someone close could be deemed "selfish". Some seem to believe that Cerebella could have gotten away with a "pure" wish, but I still think the Skull Heart was lying through its teeth.
That's a good question, too, lol. WELL, if you wished you were dead, I'm sure the Skull Heart would make you a zombie Skullgirl, because you technically wouldn't be alive anymore, lol. Also, considering how it seems to be able to raise the dead with ease, I'm sure it would resurrect you and make you the Skullgirl, even if you died between your wish and transformation. Lol, what if you wished that the Skullheart never existed? Also... What if a "conscious" Skullgirl attempted suicide..? Like, if they tried to destroy the Skullheart?
 
TL;DR The Skull Heart is a Monkey's Paw, but it'll cut you some slack if you're a good kid.

Hahaha oh my God look at these walls of text. (Actually did read)
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Lol, over-analyzing isn't bad!
It's interesting that you ask that, though; has anybody considered that Queen Renoir could have been in the same boat as Blood Marie? Skullgirls are bad news, but Marie seemed to be of (relatively) sound mind (although, that may be because she was actively carrying out her own wish until the Trinity got tired of waiting). Supposedly, in their respective timelines, Filia and Parasoul will become Skullgirls bent on destruction, but Valentine seemed to get some free-will, like Marie. Then again, Valentine may become a threat later, as she was raising Painwheel to become her downfall. Could Queen Nancy have been a "conscious" Skullgirl (like Marie) at first? I just find it hard to believe that Queen Renoir's transformation took a long time, and I imagine that a Skullgirl giving birth would be an odd affair.
As for the wishes, though... Is there really such thing as a pure wish? Lol. Speaking of over-analyzing, Parasoul's wish could be considered impure, as she would benefit from Umbrella not becoming a Skullgirl, even if that means becoming one herself (it also seems that "selfish" wishes and "impure" wishes are the same thing). Her wish to protect someone close could be deemed "selfish". Some seem to believe that Cerebella could have gotten away with a "pure" wish, but I still think the Skull Heart was lying through its teeth.
That's a good question, too, lol. WELL, if you wished you were dead, I'm sure the Skull Heart would make you a zombie Skullgirl, because you technically wouldn't be alive anymore, lol. Also, considering how it seems to be able to raise the dead with ease, I'm sure it would resurrect you and make you the Skullgirl, even if you died between your wish and transformation. Lol, what if you wished that the Skullheart never existed? Also... What if a "conscious" Skullgirl attempted suicide..? Like, if they tried to destroy the Skullheart?
Like I said, it's not paradoxical or a plot hole or anything like that. It's just weird.
Nancy was definitely not a conscious skullgirl. Someone who wished for a war's end wouldn't attempt to do it by killing random people until all the armies pointed their guns at her instead of each other.
I assume that the skull heart would have enough control to at least save itself if you're already a skullgirl, but if someone who got bonus time on their wish got killed and their killer or accomplice destroyed the skullheart afterward, wouldn't you cut out the really bad part and let society as a whole benefit from the skullheart?
 
Horseman said:
Like I said, it's not paradoxical or a plot hole or anything like that. It's just weird.
Nancy was definitely not a conscious skullgirl. Someone who wished for a war's end wouldn't attempt to do it by killing random people until all the armies pointed their guns at her instead of each other.
I assume that the skull heart would have enough control to at least save itself if you're already a skullgirl, but if someone who got bonus time on their wish got killed and their killer or accomplice destroyed the skullheart afterward, wouldn't you cut out the really bad part and let society as a whole benefit from the skullheart?

Hm... Well, Queen Renoir could have gotten some time before her transformation, but only enough to last a few weeks, as opposed to several months. That'd give her enough time to have Umbrella, and least.
Lol, I dunno, during "bonus time" (like in Filia's timeline), I always imagined that the wisher suffered from atherosclerosis until their heart became the Skull Heart. But until that point, they can be revived from death or something. Maybe if you actually removed their heart..?
*strange head-canon*
 
Nancy wished for peace and so her wish was granted, however being the Skullheart, the war most likley contiuned until Nancy's transformation at which point the nation joined forces. It seems in the event that someone would kill themselves granted Double didn't prevent that, a new host would be searched for remember the skullheart isn't as dependent as it seems and in reality is part of the trinity's plan to end life so if every women kiled themself after using the skullheart well then half the trinity's work is done. A possible theory is Mother (Lamia possibly) is unsatisfied with how man acts and is using the skullheart as a way to determine if the planet has a person pure enough to spare humanity's fate sort of like a chance for salvation we'll just have to hold on to our seats until the story unfolds to truly now. Though it could be noted that Issac and even Scythana know more than they should and may have discovered a corpse or powerful item related to the trinity
 
PKStoopKid said:
Nancy wished for peace and so her wish was granted, however being the Skullheart, the war most likley contiuned until Nancy's transformation at which point the nation joined forces. It seems in the event that someone would kill themselves granted Double didn't prevent that, a new host would be searched for remember the skullheart isn't as dependent as it seems and in reality is part of the trinity's plan to end life so if every women kiled themself after using the skullheart well then half the trinity's work is done. A possible theory is Mother (Lamia possibly) is unsatisfied with how man acts and is using the skullheart as a way to determine if the planet has a person pure enough to spare humanity's fate sort of like a chance for salvation we'll just have to hold on to our seats until the story unfolds to truly now. Though it could be noted that Issac and even Scythana know more than they should and may have discovered a corpse or powerful item related to the trinity
After the person who got bonus time died, the killer or an accomplice would destroy the skullheart, which should circumvent the chance of someone else wishing and becoming a skullheart, or the skullheart bringing resurrecting her as a zombie and then making her a zombie skullgirl.
The entire world would have to be producing less than one baby every seven years for population to be on the decline as a result of this.
 
Denizen said:
I believe there are three possible reasons.

1. The Skull Heart is lying bastard and will create a Skullgirl no matter what.

2. Parasoul's wish actually wasn't 100% pure and selfless, contrary to what you believe.

3. There's some humongous twist in the rules of the story that Alex Ahad has kept a closely guarded secret.
I think Number 2 is basically correct. No wish is going to be completely selfless and I'm sure her wish is partly driven by her guilt that she failed to protect her little sister from the influence of the Skull Heart in the first place.
 
That and keeping a relative alive makes you happy, which could be construed as selfish. Pretty much any wish though would be selfish if you look at it the right way...or is it the wrong way?
 
Chrono_Tata said:
I think Number 2 is basically correct. No wish is going to be completely selfless and I'm sure her wish is partly driven by her guilt that she failed to protect her little sister from the influence of the Skull Heart in the first place.
Or she didn't want to have the responsibility then possible guilt of having to kill your own sister after she turns into the skullgirl.
Which, sadly, Umbrella will have to. So she's passing the buck. Sounds selfish.
 
Interesting points, I kind of feel that since it is an agent of the Trinity it skews the rules considerably.

"Oh, Parasoul made a selfless wish, but wait! She could be very useful to use, time to twist things....aaaah, she wants to save her sister so that SHE doesn't have to see the pain of her turned into the SG. Denied mwahahahaa!"

I can see that being part of the reason. The Skull heart has a significant connection to the 3 ladies of Renoir so I feel that no matter what wish anyone of that bloodline makes, they're deemed to lose themselves to the Skullheart.
 
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Skullheart would probably just instantly turn the wisher into a Skullgirl if they wished NOT to become the Skullgirl.

And the Skullheart would leave with only one sentence.

"And that's what you get for trying to be a smartass"
 
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Denizen said:
I believe there are three possible reasons.

1. The Skull Heart is lying bastard and will create a Skullgirl no matter what.

2. Parasoul's wish actually wasn't 100% pure and selfless, contrary to what you believe.

3. There's some humongous twist in the rules of the story that Alex Ahad has kept a closely guarded secret.
4. The Skullheart, not unlike the Resident Evil viruses, Soul Edge and the entirety of Marvel Comics, does whatever the hell the writers want it to, pre-establishments be damned. :3

Question is: does the Skullheart have agency of it's own? Because if it's just the Trinity's talking trinket, it's pretty much impelled to do what they command it to do. Hell! Who's to say the Skullheart isn't Mother's walkie-talkie and it's her who's talking through it?
Making shit up on the spot Level: Hokuto no Ken


Ah! Witches and their trinkets...but that story is for other pastures.
 
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You know, here's a good question... The skullheart is a skull and a heart, correct? So why would it replace your heart and not your skull? It can clearly do either, but replacing your heart just allows it to pump evil blood into you. But your skull- that's like, touching your brain. It could pump evil thoughts into you. Think about it.
 
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